Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I'll gladly take Die Another Day over The Man with the Golden Gun.
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    Murdock wrote:
    I'll gladly take Die Another Day over The Man with the Golden Gun.

    For a long time I thought the same, but then I re-watched the dinner table scene. Thats better than anything in DAD/

    My bottom 3

    21. Golden Gun
    22. Die Another Day
    23. Diamonds are Forever
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited February 2014 Posts: 16,351
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I'll gladly take Die Another Day over The Man with the Golden Gun.

    For a long time I thought the same, but then I re-watched the dinner table scene. Thats better than anything in DAD/

    My bottom 3

    21. Golden Gun
    22. Die Another Day
    23. Diamonds are Forever

    That's the one good thing about Golden Goose but not enough to save it from the rest of the trash. Goodnight makes it unwatchable.

    I'd rather watch Bond and M's conversation on the Naval Ship.

    My Bottom 3
    21- A View to a Kill
    22- Diamonds are Forever
    23- Golden Gun
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    Agreed on Goodnight, I can't stand her. But equally I think ol' Chris makes for a great villain.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Agreed on Goodnight, I can't stand her. But equally I think ol' Chris makes for a great villain.

    Oh no doubt about Christopher Lee. He's the best part of the movie, but sadly the bad outweighs the good in terms of TMWTGG. DAD has equal amounts of Good and Bad so it balances out.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Dalton's movies are largely funny for all the wrong reasons. I can't get over how ludicrous the Ferris wheel scene in TLD is in particular.
  • Skyfall is the best Bond movie. I'm not sure how "controversial" that is. It's been nearly a year and a half since it was released, so the glow of it being new has worn off. In terms of action, the story, locations and characters, it's my personal favorite James Bond film.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Skyfall is fantastic but it's overrated, especially Silva.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    doubleoego wrote:
    Dalton's movies are largely funny for all the wrong reasons. I can't get over how ludicrous the Ferris wheel scene in TLD is in particular.
    By stating this the way you do, you risk an all-out smiley attack, you understand...
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 11,189
    doubleoego wrote:
    Dalton's movies are largely funny for all the wrong reasons.

    I don't mind the Ferris Wheel scene, but another that does come to mind is the scene with Sanchez being interrogated by Kelifer and the other DEA agent:

    "Godammit...you think you're in some banana republic? All that scum bag money won't do you a bit of good here"

    Hilariously bad acting :))
  • doubleoego wrote:
    Dalton's movies are largely funny for all the wrong reasons. I can't get over how ludicrous the Ferris wheel scene in TLD is in particular.

    I thought the Dalton films had some funny moments even though they were more serious than most of them. I think both of Daltons funniest moments were in LTK: When he tells the posh British agent to piss off and when he says "I hope you don't snore Q".
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Some of the lines were just cringe-worthy.

    "Is this a dream"?

    "I've only known you for two days and all I can think about is how we can be together".

    "Don't think, just let it happen"

    Who was writing this stuff? Wilson? It was terrible but highly amusing.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited February 2014 Posts: 17,789
    doubleoego wrote:
    Some of the lines were just cringe-worthy.
    You brought it upon yourself! Take this:


    :P >:/ ~X( b-( [-(
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Lol I'm a big boy I can take it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    doubleoego wrote:
    Lol I'm a big boy I can take it.

    Your resilience does you credit.
  • doubleoego wrote:
    Some of the lines were just cringe-worthy.

    "Is this a dream"?

    "I've only known you for two days and all I can think about is how we can be together".

    "Don't think, just let it happen"

    Who was writing this stuff? Wilson? It was terrible but highly amusing.

    That's actually a great line one could use.

  • BAIN123 wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    Dalton's movies are largely funny for all the wrong reasons.

    I don't mind the Ferris Wheel scene, but another that does come to mind is the scene with Sanchez being interrogated by Kelifer and the other DEA agent:

    "Godammit...you think you're in some banana republic? All that scum bag money won't do you a bit of good here"

    Hilariously bad acting :))

    I have no problem with the Ferris Wheel scene in TLD. It was very well done, IMO.

    In LTK, Killifer's lines was overdone, but I see no problem with it. The character was working for Sanchez, so the characters bad delivery was actually good acting on the part of McGill. The character delivered the lines poorly because he was working for Sanchez and the character Killifer was not a good actor, not McGill.
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    "Don't think. Just let it happen." is one of my favourite line deliveries by Dalton. I think he did a wonderful job with a scene that could have otherwise felt far too cliche.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I thought the invisible car was one of the least of DAD's problems. I didn't mind it that much, it's not like we haven't had OTT gadgets before.
    Couldn't agree more, @thelivingroyale! The invisible car at least is sold rather well IMO; it's silly but overall fitting the outrageousness of the film. The car is a charming scar; some like it and some don't.
    barryt007 wrote:
    The car doesnt bother me in the slightest either tbh.
    It was explained about the reflective mirrors so it wasnt actually invisible as more camouflaged.
    I think it gets a lot of bad press on here
    Good to see the invisible Aston get some love. Time to bump the appreciation thread, methinks!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    QBranch wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    I thought the invisible car was one of the least of DAD's problems. I didn't mind it that much, it's not like we haven't had OTT gadgets before.
    Couldn't agree more, @thelivingroyale! The invisible car at least is sold rather well IMO; it's silly but overall fitting the outrageousness of the film. The car is a charming scar; some like it and some don't.
    barryt007 wrote:
    The car doesnt bother me in the slightest either tbh.
    It was explained about the reflective mirrors so it wasnt actually invisible as more camouflaged.
    I think it gets a lot of bad press on here
    Good to see the invisible Aston get some love. Time to bump the appreciation thread, methinks!

    I think so. :)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DAD and DAF are equals IMHO. Both nuts and both entertaining.
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    Marc Forster deserves sole blame for QoS. Nobody else.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Marc Forster deserves sole blame for QoS. Nobody else.

    I agree. I shall blame him for making my favourite 21st Century Bond movie.
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    Marc Forster deserves sole blame for QoS. Nobody else.

    EON does as well as they let this piece of cr*p reach the cinema's instead of stepping back and do some more work on it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    QBranch wrote:
    Good to see the invisible Aston get some love. quote]

    If only the whole film had been invisible...
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    doubleoego wrote:
    Some of the lines were just cringe-worthy.

    "Is this a dream"?

    "I've only known you for two days and all I can think about is how we can be together".

    "Don't think, just let it happen"

    Who was writing this stuff? Wilson? It was terrible but highly amusing.

    Agreed !!
    Seriously seat-squirmingly embarrasing.
    If i ever watch TLD (which isnt very often at all) i fast forward through that.

  • Marc Forster deserves sole blame for QoS. Nobody else.

    And he deserves a life sentence for it.
  • BAIN123 wrote:
    I don't think DAF is all that funny in itself to be honest. Yes there are some humorous lines but I don't really consider Tiffany Case in the majority of the film, Bond in the moon-buggy, lumbering law enforcers or Blofeld in drag to be particularly witty, humorous or sophisticated. In honesty I find them annoying and dated. The plot has little tension and towards the end it seems the film-makers didn't care.

    "Phone call from Washington...urgent"
    "I'll catch it in the John"

    If they aren't going to take Blofeld's scheme remotely seriously then we have no reason to either. At least in DAD it felt there was a bit more at stake.

    I don't think Connery was particularly fussed throughout the film, he certainly doesn't feel like the same man that was so great in DN, FRWL etc.

    As a parody I'd rather watch the first Austin Powers.

    Also regarding the score, its decent but is it really as memorable as FRWL, GF, OHMSS, MR or even AVTAK? I don't think so.

    You may not think it's funny, but you're decidedly in the minority. In every thread on Bond humor and wit, DAF runs the table. And Tiffy and the moonbuggy need not be a laff riot for the film itself to be. I mean, it's still a Bond film, not Mel Brooks, you know.

    As to the plot, nobody denies that it is lacking. But that lack is nothing compared to the ultimate farce, in every respect, that is DAF. Frankly, I'm surprised anybody would dare argue that DAD isn't the very worst. Then again, perhaps I'm not.

  • Matt_Helm wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I'm sorry. I know im a bad person for not putting DAD at the bottom :( I just enjoy it more than DAF. Maybe it's DAF's pretty slow pace all the way through, fat bloated Connery not giving a crap or the cheap looking production throughout. I just don't like that film and struggle to finish it more than DAD.

    You're obviously entitled to your opinion. But whereas DAD is a cringe-inducing insult to one's intelligence, DAF is witty and humorous, has perhaps the best score of all Bond films, and has a bizarre darkness about it that makes the film interesting on an artistic and tonal level, even if it is not technically top notch. And I don't consider Connery "not giving a crap" to be an accurate critique at all. It's YOLT in which he didn't care and it showed. In DAF, Seanery clearly enjoys being the straight man in what is the great, dark comedy of the Bond series.

    The only thing (apart from the soundtrack, which is a given,since they had Barry then) DAF has over DAD are the one liners. At least Brosnan looks like he is able to run a 100m , without needing an oxygen shower afterwards. Its story is a bad joke, and some of the remarks are simply tasteless,considering that it trails OHMSS.
    Bizarre darkness? Yeah,sure!

    Well, there's no accounting for taste. Or its lack.

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    Colin Salmon would make a fantastic Bond, but because he was Robinson that would distract audiences. He also would be 60 by the time he replaces Craig, and though he looks great for his age, at the same time you can tell he's too old for the role.
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