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  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    I agree that QoS made terrible use of its' locations. Even with the shitty title cards I continuously forget where we are. When the horse race starts in Sienna (the most useless shot in the entire history of Bond, easily) I always end up thinking it's Barcelona instead. The desert shots make me think of the Middle East often and not South America.

    "the most useless shot in the entire history of Bond, easily"
    You do realize that this is meant metaphoric in regard to the race that is going to start between Bond and M's bodyguard,do you?

    It's already hard enough to follow the 0.00000001 second-per-shot shootout that's going on in the interrogation room, and then Forster or whoever the hell decides "HEY LET'S JUMP TO A HORSE RACE FOR NO REASON!" in yet ANOTHER 0.01-second shot before it goes back to the shootout and makes it look like M's been shot or something. It's awfully done, it's beyond confusing, and I can't believe even you're defending it. Actually, I can believe it.
    Also TWINE is miles, miles, miles better than Quantum of Bullshit (which I think I'm going to start calling it).

    Yeah, leave it to this guy to defend the indefensible and to slag the unimpeachable, and all in a manner indicating total obliviousness to his own foolishness.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    I think QOS in a lot of respects is superior to TWINE. But if I were to choose which to rewatch I'd probably go for the latter (TWINE).
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Both QoS and TWINE are vastly underrated by most.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    FoxRox wrote:
    Both QoS and TWINE are vastly underrated by most.

    Thank you.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    LegateDamar wrote:
    FoxRox wrote:
    It seems like the general consensus on this site is than SF is overrated; it's my second favorite Bond film behind CR.

    A few folks complaining online doesn't mean much. It made a ton of money and most people liked it. It's the most successful Bond film ever. If the net had been around in 1964, people would be bitching about Goldfinger not being as good as the first two films.


    I doubt that. The world largely didn't really wake up and invest in the series until GF came along, which btw us equally just as overrated as SF but has more right to be so.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    chrisisall wrote:
    FoxRox wrote:
    Both QoS and TWINE are vastly underrated by most.

    Thank you.

    Anytime. It's only the truth, after all.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    TWINE has the best theme song of the Brosnan era.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    doubleoego wrote:
    TWINE has the best theme song of the Brosnan era.

    I liked Tina Turner with GE better
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    It loses points for not being integrated as being part if the overall score. No musical cues, no nothing.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    doubleoego wrote:
    It loses points for not being integrated as being part if the overall score. No musical cues, no nothing.

    You were talking theme song not about it being integrated. As a song GE is easily the best that the Brosnan era had to offer and probably too because it was written by the boys from U2 instead of David Arnold.
    Surprisingly we got the next succesfull theme song with the absence of DA. Coincidence???

  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    To be honest, I wasn't a big fan of any of the Brosnan era's songs; GE and TWINE were okay, but I didn't like TND or DAD's songs at all. Really, from TLD to DAD, I didn't like the songs a whole lot. My favorite songs in the series would include the main James Bond theme from Dr. No, Shirley Bassey's Goldfinger, John Barry's OHMSS theme, Live and Let Die by Paul McCartney & Wings, Carly Simon's Nobody Does it Better, Sheena Easton's For Your Eyes Only, Chris Cornell's You Know My Name, and Adele's Skyfall.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    SaintMark wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    It loses points for not being integrated as being part if the overall score. No musical cues, no nothing.

    You were talking theme song not about it being integrated. As a song GE is easily the best that the Brosnan era had to offer and probably too because it was written by the boys from U2 instead of David Arnold.
    Surprisingly we got the next succesfull theme song with the absence of DA. Coincidence???

    God you'll do ANYTHING to slag off David, won't you? He's getting the paycheck and you're not. You go compose something superior and get it used in a Bond film then.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    It loses points for not being integrated as being part if the overall score. No musical cues, no nothing.

    You were talking theme song not about it being integrated. As a song GE is easily the best that the Brosnan era had to offer and probably too because it was written by the boys from U2 instead of David Arnold.
    Surprisingly we got the next succesfull theme song with the absence of DA. Coincidence???

    God you'll do ANYTHING to slag off David, won't you? He's getting the paycheck and you're not. You go compose something superior and get it used in a Bond film then.

    Sorry I insulted your sensibilities, and your friend Arnold.

    Anytime I disagree with something I have to go and do it better myself?? You are really full of the stuff that makes plants grow green.

  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    SaintMark wrote:
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    It loses points for not being integrated as being part if the overall score. No musical cues, no nothing.

    You were talking theme song not about it being integrated. As a song GE is easily the best that the Brosnan era had to offer and probably too because it was written by the boys from U2 instead of David Arnold.
    Surprisingly we got the next succesfull theme song with the absence of DA. Coincidence???

    God you'll do ANYTHING to slag off David, won't you? He's getting the paycheck and you're not. You go compose something superior and get it used in a Bond film then.

    Sorry I insulted your sensibilities, and your friend Arnold.

    Anytime I disagree with something I have to go and do it better myself?? You are really full of the stuff that makes plants grow green.

    Chlorophyll?

    I'm not a mod by any stretch of the imagination, but maybe it would be best if we went back to a neutral corner.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    It loses points for not being integrated as being part if the overall score. No musical cues, no nothing.

    You were talking theme song not about it being integrated. As a song GE is easily the best that the Brosnan era had to offer and probably too because it was written by the boys from U2 instead of David Arnold.
    Surprisingly we got the next succesfull theme song with the absence of DA. Coincidence???

    God you'll do ANYTHING to slag off David, won't you? He's getting the paycheck and you're not. You go compose something superior and get it used in a Bond film then.

    Sorry I insulted your sensibilities, and your friend Arnold.

    Anytime I disagree with something I have to go and do it better myself?? You are really full of the stuff that makes plants grow green.

    Chlorophyll?

    I'm not a mod by any stretch of the imagination, but maybe it would be best if we went back to a neutral corner.



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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    =))
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    +1
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    I just find this whole "Arnold isn't a composer" rubbish insulting as a musician. He breathes, bleeds and sweats music and the man has made some stellar contributions to the catalogue of Bond music. I don't think anyone, whether they like him or not, has any right to say that the man isn't a musician.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    I personally think Arnold's contribution to the series is criminally underrated and if I'm to be honest his work is one of the very few saving graces of the Brosnan era. As I said, TWINE imo is a fantastic theme song by garbage, the best if that era and Arnold's score for the movie is great. Tracks like, welcome to Baku are exotic and rich but then again maybe what was largely on screen somehow managed to adversely engulf Arnold's work. Interestingly enough CR and QoS benefited a great deal from Arnold's talents and I'd be more than happy for his return.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    doubleoego wrote:
    Interestingly enough CR and QoS benefited a great deal from Arnold's talents and I'd be more than happy for his return.
    Agreed. QoS has a very underrated score.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    doubleoego wrote:
    CR and QoS benefited a great deal from Arnold's talents and I'd be more than happy for his return.
    Another enthusiastic +1 here!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Arnold is the best Bond composer since John Barry. I don't know why he is hated.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    doubleoego wrote:
    I personally think Arnold's contribution to the series is criminally underrated and if I'm to be honest his work is one of the very few saving graces of the Brosnan era. As I said, TWINE imo is a fantastic theme song by garbage, the best if that era and Arnold's score for the movie is great. Tracks like, welcome to Baku are exotic and rich but then again maybe what was largely on screen somehow managed to adversely engulf Arnold's work. Interestingly enough CR and QoS benefited a great deal from Arnold's talents and I'd be more than happy for his return.

    I think Arnold is second only to the master himself. But I can understand some of the criticisms against him, at least against some specific pieces of music (DAD and QoS have some... er... questionable... pieces). It's the "Arnold's not a composer"/"Arnold's a shit musician"/"Arnold has no talent" bullshit that bothers me because it's just not true and it's insulting towards a man who has nothing but passion and love for music and who hasn't wanted to do anything more with this series than pay tribute to Barry, a composer who he's largely credited his career too.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    I think Arnold is second only to the master himself.
    Most definitely. And not only for his work on Bond. He rocks, period.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Arnold captured Barry's sound while putting his own creative spin on the music. All his scores are very enjoyable. Tomorrow Never Dies and Casino Royale are his best scores.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    In the Brosnan ers we got DA doing JB music reworked in Drum 'n Bass which worked very dynamic and was not all to unpleasant to watch a movie with. And stand alone it is not to awefull too listen too.

    With CR he was allowed to create a new generation or his own sort of Bondmusic and what he created was an incoherent soundtrack that had some good stuff and mostly was elevator music. The best track is by far the reworking of John Barry's classic theme.

    With QoB he got another change to leave his mark on the musical side of the franchise and this time the music matched the movie, it being a mess and not even DA's music could save it. (the likes of John Barry probably could have made the difference)

    With SF we got a director who wanted to have a different composer, which I can understand. Sadly the man did his job decently and that is all that can be said. I found the oscar namination insulting towards DA as he had indeed given his best to the franchise and was never honoured. Perhaps due to the reasons I mentioned before.

    I just want a decent composer to come up with something new and exciting and based upon DA's previous attempts it just is not him.
    I enjoy listening to the 007 soundtracks, not just the Barry ones but after LTK they feel less and are not as good. It is as if the franchise has decided that the music is overrated and is allright if there is some but who cares really. I am sure that Cubby would have seen this differently but the current batch running the show only seem to go for vanity projects with directors like Forster & Mendes, and with the oscar nom for SF I am sure they feel their choices are right, but for me with DA and Thomas Newman they have failed me the last three movies spectaculary.

    But perhaps the great soundtracks are a thing of the past and we should be honoured in mediocrity.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Controversial opinion / confession :
    I have something of a soft spot for CR 67 and cannot hate it. Although not the greatest movie ever, I appreciate it's 60's ness.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    Benny wrote:
    Controversial opinion / confession :
    I have something of a soft spot for CR 67 and cannot hate it. Although not the greatest movie ever, I appreciate it's 60's ness.

    That I can relate to.

  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    SaintMark wrote:
    I enjoy listening to the 007 soundtracks, not just the Barry ones but after LTK they feel less and are not as good. It is as if the franchise has decided that the music is overrated and is allright if there is some but who cares really.
    I agree with you that nothing will ever top the "classic" era soundtracks. Obviously Barry was in a universe of his own but I enjoy the others as well. I just think that the times and the styles changed and musical scores evolved into what they are today. Perhaps we are too old fashioned?
    Also, for what it's worth, I disagree with you on Arnold. I think that he kept getting better over time and that CR and QoS was his best work.
  • JohnBarryFanJohnBarryFan
    Posts: 1,405
    Murdock wrote:
    Arnold captured Barry's sound while putting his own creative spin on the music. All his scores are very enjoyable. Tomorrow Never Dies and Casino Royale are his best scores.

    Casino Royale's score is the closest thing I've heard to a John Barry's like score.
    Coming from me, it's high praise indeed!
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited March 2014 Posts: 12,837
    The ice palace in DAD is the best villain lair outside of the 60s/70s ones. I thought it was great and it gave us what's probably the best line in the film ("plenty of ice, if you can spare it").

    Stamper is one of the worst henchmen because he's just so bland. He brings nothing new. I actually prefer Zao, at least he had a more original idea behind him. Zao was a north korean terrorists with diamonds embedded in his face and a gadget packed jaguar. Stamper was just another big, blonde henchman, I thought he was a very boring character.

    Strawberry Fields, while fit, is one of the most annoying Bond girls.

    Samantha Bond is better than Naomi Harris as moneypenny (so far). I thought Harris' flirting with Craig felt really forced while with Bond and Brosnan it was natural, they had real chemistry.
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