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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The defusal scene in OP is one of those film scenes that always makes me tense up and get nervous, even though I know how it ends every time.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    The defusal scene in OP is one of those film scenes that always makes me tense up and get nervous, even though I know how it ends every time.

    And it completely makes you forget that Bond is in a funny clown suit.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    The defusal scene in OP is one of those film scenes that always makes me tense up and get nervous, even though I know how it ends every time.

    That and Barry's score make the scene even more suspenseful. It's actually like Goldfinger.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Agreed and agreed. I love the amount of time it took Moore to change into that clown outfit, too. ;-)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Agreed and agreed. I love the amount of time it took Moore to change into that clown outfit, too. ;-)

    Why am I thinking of Superman all of a sudden? :))
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Murdock wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Agreed and agreed. I love the amount of time it took Moore to change into that clown outfit, too. ;-)

    Why am I thinking of Superman all of a sudden? :))

    I wonder why! ;-)
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Benny wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    Just looking at the majority of people's rankings on this site, I believe that this is controversial. I don't understand the OCTOPUSSY thing at all. How it's so beloved. I've read and heard many explanations, yet it escapes me. I realize that it's out there. I find it to be the epitome of the worst of the Moore era (and I am a big fan of LALD and TSWLM).
    I was in my twenties when I saw it in the theatre and didn't care for it then. I like the part where Bond shoots those Russian soldiers, I kind of dig the knife fight, but that's about it. And Steve Berkoff was very good.
    I really don't get it.

    Well the truly great Bond films, have often baffled the conventional minds.

    In fairness although I do really enjoy OP I wouldn't describe it as one of the "truely great" Bond films. It is a very entertaining one though.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Benny wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    Just looking at the majority of people's rankings on this site, I believe that this is controversial. I don't understand the OCTOPUSSY thing at all. How it's so beloved. I've read and heard many explanations, yet it escapes me. I realize that it's out there. I find it to be the epitome of the worst of the Moore era (and I am a big fan of LALD and TSWLM).
    I was in my twenties when I saw it in the theatre and didn't care for it then. I like the part where Bond shoots those Russian soldiers, I kind of dig the knife fight, but that's about it. And Steve Berkoff was very good.
    I really don't get it.

    Well the truly great Bond films, have often baffled the conventional minds.

    In fairness although I do really enjoy OP I wouldn't describe it as one of the "truely great" Bond films. It is a very entertaining one though.

    Forgive me, but anyone who knows me, will know that I am overly biased towards Octopussy. It's always been my personal favourite.
    @Perilagu_Khan once nicknamed me 'Octobenny' if I'm not mistaken. A nickname that some of my friends off the forum have adopted.
    I appreciate that it's not to everyone's taste. But for me it's my all time high.

    ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    OP, for me, has the following to offer, amongst things already mentioned in previous posts:
    - Great score by Barry
    - Tremendous chemistry between Maud Adams and Roger Moore
    - A cool PTS
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Benny wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Benny wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    Just looking at the majority of people's rankings on this site, I believe that this is controversial. I don't understand the OCTOPUSSY thing at all. How it's so beloved. I've read and heard many explanations, yet it escapes me. I realize that it's out there. I find it to be the epitome of the worst of the Moore era (and I am a big fan of LALD and TSWLM).
    I was in my twenties when I saw it in the theatre and didn't care for it then. I like the part where Bond shoots those Russian soldiers, I kind of dig the knife fight, but that's about it. And Steve Berkoff was very good.
    I really don't get it.

    Well the truly great Bond films, have often baffled the conventional minds.

    In fairness although I do really enjoy OP I wouldn't describe it as one of the "truely great" Bond films. It is a very entertaining one though.

    Forgive me, but anyone who knows me, will know that I am overly biased towards Octopussy. It's always been my personal favourite.
    @Perilagu_Khan once nicknamed me 'Octobenny' if I'm not mistaken. A nickname that some of my friends off the forum have adopted.
    I appreciate that it's not to everyone's taste. But for me it's my all time high.

    ;)

    That's perfectly fine @Benny. I'm a bit like that with GE. There are far worse films to be fond of in the series.

    Was it one of the first ones you saw?

    @DarthDimi. I also think Louis Jordon (sp) is GREAT as Kahn
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    Benny wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Benny wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    Just looking at the majority of people's rankings on this site, I believe that this is controversial. I don't understand the OCTOPUSSY thing at all. How it's so beloved. I've read and heard many explanations, yet it escapes me. I realize that it's out there. I find it to be the epitome of the worst of the Moore era (and I am a big fan of LALD and TSWLM).
    I was in my twenties when I saw it in the theatre and didn't care for it then. I like the part where Bond shoots those Russian soldiers, I kind of dig the knife fight, but that's about it. And Steve Berkoff was very good.
    I really don't get it.

    Well the truly great Bond films, have often baffled the conventional minds.

    In fairness although I do really enjoy OP I wouldn't describe it as one of the "truely great" Bond films. It is a very entertaining one though.

    Forgive me, but anyone who knows me, will know that I am overly biased towards Octopussy. It's always been my personal favourite.
    @Perilagu_Khan once nicknamed me 'Octobenny' if I'm not mistaken. A nickname that some of my friends off the forum have adopted.
    I appreciate that it's not to everyone's taste. But for me it's my all time high.

    ;)

    Have a bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos and a bottle of merlot. They're on me.

    ;)

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @BAIN123, agreed, Jourdan is great. I love his reaction to the egg being squashed by Orloff's gun. :-)
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    @BAIN123, agreed, Jourdan is great. I love his reaction to the egg being squashed by Orloff's gun. :-)

    Jourdan's Kamal Khan truly is one of the greatest Bond villains. As I've said countless times, it's impossible to be a bad cinematic character if you have a line like "You have a naaaasty habit... of SURVIVING!"
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    @BAIN123, agreed, Jourdan is great. I love his reaction to the egg being squashed by Orloff's gun. :-)

    Jourdan's Kamal Khan truly is one of the greatest Bond villains. As I've said countless times, it's impossible to be a bad cinematic character if you have a line like "You have a naaaasty habit... of SURVIVING!"

    I like his line "a bit crude".

    "Octopussy...I'd like the opportunity to take care of Mr Bond...personally"
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    Benny wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Benny wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    Just looking at the majority of people's rankings on this site, I believe that this is controversial. I don't understand the OCTOPUSSY thing at all. How it's so beloved. I've read and heard many explanations, yet it escapes me. I realize that it's out there. I find it to be the epitome of the worst of the Moore era (and I am a big fan of LALD and TSWLM).
    I was in my twenties when I saw it in the theatre and didn't care for it then. I like the part where Bond shoots those Russian soldiers, I kind of dig the knife fight, but that's about it. And Steve Berkoff was very good.
    I really don't get it.

    Well the truly great Bond films, have often baffled the conventional minds.

    In fairness although I do really enjoy OP I wouldn't describe it as one of the "truely great" Bond films. It is a very entertaining one though.

    Forgive me, but anyone who knows me, will know that I am overly biased towards Octopussy. It's always been my personal favourite.
    @Perilagu_Khan once nicknamed me 'Octobenny' if I'm not mistaken. A nickname that some of my friends off the forum have adopted.
    I appreciate that it's not to everyone's taste. But for me it's my all time high.

    ;)

    Have a bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos and a bottle of merlot. They're on me.

    ;)

    Hahaha.
    You remembered. I'll split them with you old friend.
    ;)
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    edited March 2014 Posts: 12,466
    For me personally, I would consider the 'truly great' Bond films my top 8. Otherwise there's mostly just really good/good ones.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    FoxRox wrote:
    For me personally, I would consider the 'truly great' Bond films my top 8. Otherwise there's mostly just really good/good ones.

    I'd include probably my top 12 (TB, TWINE, DN, OP, TSWLM, FRWL, SF, GE, LTK, OHMSS, TLD, CR) with the top seven of those being the ones I truly consider excellent and then the top four being the masterpieces. 13 and 14 (FYEO and YOLT) are the ones I consider to be very good, 15 (LALD) is the okay one, 16 (GF) the tedious one, 17 - 19 (QOS, AVTAK, TND) the bad ones, and 20 - 23 (TMWTGG, MR, DAF, DAD) the abysmal ones. So I can see where you're coming from.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    My top seven are the ones I currently rate as classics.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Suppose this is a fact, but while we're on the topic, I have absolutely no 'Top 23' list whatsoever. I can't rank the films. I can compare, but never could I make a ranking.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I always enjoy ranking all 23. It proves to be difficult usually, especially the middle of the pack. Ready for more difficulties ahead when Bond 24 comes out haha.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I just don't even know where to begin. I love them all, but I can't see myself ranking them. I never have.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    I just don't even know where to begin. I love them all, but I can't see myself ranking them. I never have.

    Same here; I hate ranking and rating films. I connect and critique these films (as I do with all films in general) by how they make me feel and how they manipulate my emotions, so I could never translate those more abstract reactions into a numerical quantity to give an honest, concrete rating. I just don't think in that way, I guess. If you asked me how I liked Casino Royale, I could go on for hours about all the things I adore about it and give you specific examples and details, but if you told me to rate it on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd pause. There are just so many questions to ask at that point. If you give a film a 10, does that mean it is flawless, perfect and/or unmatched on all levels? What's the difference between a 7.5 and 7.6, and do those ratings mean it's a good film, but not spectacular, or just above average? And my mind changes often about films, as they do with a lot of things, so that rating and overall ranking would change dramatically over time. Your reactions and feelings about films are bound to change for a variety of reasons, because we sometimes don't feel in the mood for certain movies or have an urge to see some film over another that we are currently viewing, which affects our feelings about it because we aren't fully committed to the experience. The way I see it, I couldn't even begin to rate any of them honestly, so why bother ranking them as well? When I think about films I love, the first things that come to my mind are adjectives like "unforgettable," "astounding," or "classic," and not numbers like "9.5," "8.7," or "9.9."
  • RC7RC7
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    I just don't even know where to begin. I love them all, but I can't see myself ranking them. I never have.

    Same here; I hate ranking and rating films. I connect and critique these films (as I do with all films in general) by how they make me feel and how they manipulate my emotions, so I could never translate those more abstract reactions into a numerical quantity to give an honest, concrete rating. I just don't think in that way, I guess. If you asked me how I liked Casino Royale, I could go on for hours about all the things I adore about it and give you specific examples and details, but if you told me to rate it on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd pause. There are just so many questions to ask at that point. If you give a film a 10, does that mean it is flawless, perfect and/or unmatched on all levels? What's the difference between a 7.5 and 7.6, and do those ratings mean it's a good film, but not spectacular, or just above average? And my mind changes often about films, as they do with a lot of things, so that rating and overall ranking would change dramatically over time. Your reactions and feelings about films are bound to change for a variety of reasons, because we sometimes don't feel in the mood for certain movies or have an urge to see some film over another that we are currently viewing, which affects our feelings about it because we aren't fully committed to the experience. The way I see it, I couldn't even begin to rate any of them honestly, so why bother ranking them as well? When I think about films I love, the first things that come to my mind are adjectives like "unforgettable," "astounding," or "classic," and not numbers like "9.5," "8.7," or "9.9."

    Great post. I'm in this camp, wholeheartedly.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm with you on rating films as well, Brady and RC7. I mean, if a film truly stuns me and blows me away and I have to own it immediately, of course I can give it a 5/5, but even then, a review lets me speak my mind more freely. I can't rank or categorize films at all. Even when I do (like the Spielberg thread a little while ago), I just second guess myself and wonder why I made the list I did.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    My controversial opinion: I like Moonraker more than The Spy Who Loved Me (film-wise), and I like Fleming's TSWLM more than Moonraker.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Moore's embarrassing as hell at times in Moonraker. He's like my ageing father trying to crack a joke. No wonder my dad finds him funny in the film, he has a poor sense of humour too.

    What is it with Rog and that stupid smirk before he says something witty:

    "He seems to have an eye for a good investment"

    "How do you kill 5 hours in Rio if you don't samba"

    Worse than Pierce in terms of bad dad jokes. Its that smirk that does it for me. Shut up you stupid public schoolboy wannabe twit :p

    MR and GG are his weakest performances I think.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    I don't think that Moore was embarrassing at all in MR. Jaws was the one who really made a buffoon out of himself. We all have a different sense of humor I suppose. I'm guessing that when he saw the script he didn't feel any need to take the material seriously. I don't blame him but I can understand why it would irritate people.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    It annoys me, I want to smack him in that film sometimes...and I like Moore in most of his other films. But here he just seems like "Lets have a good time chaps, remind me to do it more often...nudge nudge wink-wink...ho-ho-ho"

    Shut up!

    Actually in AVTAK he pisses me off a bit sometimes too

    "call me James its...5 days 'till Alaska"

    God. I think I feel sick :p
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    Moonraker is the laziest written film as far as the character of Bond goes. Makes an absolute joke of the character, and then the crap quality of the film only piles onto that.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I think MR does have some good stuff in its favour (the cinematography, the music, most of the PTS etc). It's just there's a lot of naff stuff too.
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