Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited July 2016 Posts: 8,395
    Am I right in thinking that Brosnan Bond never went to North America?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    :D Same with Connery in Goldfinger, he never set foot in America.
    Ah ! The magic of the movies.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Interesting, thanks.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Of course, I thought we were mentioning, Films he only pretend to be there.
  • Posts: 15,117
    Am I right in thinking that Brosnan Bond never went to North America?

    Well, he went to Cuba, which could count (?), but he never went to the US. Ironic since his Bond movies were in some ways very Americanized: fairly high number of American Bond girls (highest ratio?), and... British actors as villains.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that Brosnan Bond never went to North America?

    Well, he went to Cuba, which could count (?), but he never went to the US. Ironic since his Bond movies were in some ways very Americanized: fairly high number of American Bond girls (highest ratio?), and... British actors as villains.
    As was he imho. So sending him to the US on top of all of that would have really seemed like overkill, and perhaps they realized it.
  • GBFGBF
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    They also might have wanted to atract new markets since the US was slighley overused before. Post cold war they could access the former Soviet countries (Golden Eye, TWINE) as well as the far east (TND). With DAD they propably still don't know what they were trying to do :-)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It may not be seen as controversial, but I think the best cinematography in the series belongs to Reed's work on OHMSS.
  • Posts: 15,117
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that Brosnan Bond never went to North America?

    Well, he went to Cuba, which could count (?), but he never went to the US. Ironic since his Bond movies were in some ways very Americanized: fairly high number of American Bond girls (highest ratio?), and... British actors as villains.
    As was he imho. So sending him to the US on top of all of that would have really seemed like overkill, and perhaps they realized it.

    Maybe that was to compensate that GE was very much a British centered movie: London is the villain's target, it's all about MI6, the one American character is a caricature, the action in exotic places, the Bond girls Eastern beauties, etc.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    They are very different to me.
    Me too.

    For me, most of the Moore films are well executed formula, just like GE is well executed formula. I enjoy them all, but find MR & AVTAK highly derivative.

    Post-GE, I find the Brosnan entries to be cliche'd pastiche. Just going through the motions (Bond, James Bond - check, flashing the Omega - check, ordering the Martini - check, fancy car - check, villain with deformity or funny name - check, smart alec throwaway line - check, etc etc.).

    It's a fine line between executing on the formula well and being overly predictable. I don't think EON has made a decent 'formula' film since GE, and that was the last one made when Cubby was around.

    You get all that in Casino Royale.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2016 Posts: 23,883
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    They are very different to me.
    Me too.

    For me, most of the Moore films are well executed formula, just like GE is well executed formula. I enjoy them all, but find MR & AVTAK highly derivative.

    Post-GE, I find the Brosnan entries to be cliche'd pastiche. Just going through the motions (Bond, James Bond - check, flashing the Omega - check, ordering the Martini - check, fancy car - check, villain with deformity or funny name - check, smart alec throwaway line - check, etc etc.).

    It's a fine line between executing on the formula well and being overly predictable. I don't think EON has made a decent 'formula' film since GE, and that was the last one made when Cubby was around.

    You get all that in Casino Royale.
    Let me restate my comment from the quote above:

    "It's a fine line between executing on the formula well and being overly predictable."

    CR did the former well by turning it on its head:

    -"Do I look like I give a damn?"
    -"Bond, James Bond" at the end only and to suggest completion of the formation story
    -Bond theme at the end only for the same reason (loved the sparing use of it)
    -A babe making fun of the Omega rather than Bond flaunting it with a gadget
    -Similarly, the Aston flips and makes a mess of its occupant, rather than gadgets galore
    -funny name was laughed at, e.g. "Miss Stephanie Broadchest"

    On top of all of that, CR was based on Fleming for a decent portion of the film, and had some very impressive and memorable action and fisticuffs (both the stairwell fight and parkour score very highly here in votes).

    So yes, you're correct, CR probably is formula done well, because it turns it on its head. Sadly, there's no going back after that imho.
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    Agreed @bondjames.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    I prefer the Bond films without Blofeld. I prefer much more a different Bond villain each film so whenever he came back i was like ughhh again?
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    Here's my controversial opinion: non recurring villains give Bond a false aura of invulnerability. This is why Blofeld or another sort of recurring adversary (SMERSH in the early novels) is necessary.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    That s a good one. Not very controversial, I think.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited August 2016 Posts: 40,968
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Here's my controversial opinion: non recurring villains give Bond a false aura of invulnerability. This is why Blofeld or another sort of recurring adversary (SMERSH in the early novels) is necessary.

    In turn, though, isn't it just as obvious how a film may end if Blofeld is the main villain? As soon as Waltz was cast and we knew the title of SP, I knew the finale would wrap up with him either being captured or escaping.
  • Posts: 15,117
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Here's my controversial opinion: non recurring villains give Bond a false aura of invulnerability. This is why Blofeld or another sort of recurring adversary (SMERSH in the early novels) is necessary.

    In turn, though, isn't it just as obvious how a film may end if Blofeld is the main villain? As soon as Waltz was cast and we knew the title of SP, I knew the finale would wrap up with him either being captured or escaping.

    That would be the case of any nemesis though. Except, ironically enough, Moriarty, who became Holmes' nemesis posthumously.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Of course it is, just like any nemesis is typically kept around for an extended period of time/multiple films.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited August 2016 Posts: 7,120
    In that sense Fritz Lang's Dr. Mabuse is very interesting. Villain in three films but
    already killed in the first film
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    After 4 years I finally realised that Skyfall is the most flawed Bond movie with the least re-watchability value.
    Therefore I put in on No 24 in my ranking. I'll still watch it regularly, it's a solid 6/10 movie and there has to be a Bond movie yet that is total crap. Which probably never will happen.
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    Most criticism leveled against Pierce Brosnan's Bond is just as applicable to Roger Moore.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    josiah wrote: »
    Most criticism leveled against Pierce Brosnan's Bond is just as applicable to Roger Moore.

    Agreed. They're both great. As I posted earlier, to criticize Brosnan while defending Moore is illogical. They're so similar; both camp and fun to the extreme.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Brosnan is less campy than Moore.

    Kananga blowing up, slide whistle stunt, Jaws dropping a stone on his food, Moonraker as a whole, the Thatcher scene, the Tarzan yell and being hit in the crotch while hanging on a blimp.

    Every Moore film has at least a few ridiculous scenes. And sure DAD is laughable beyond belief but then again I can't imagine Moore pulling of 'tortured Bond'.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    The best portrayal of Blofeld is FRWL.
  • Posts: 1,386
    josiah wrote: »
    Most criticism leveled against Pierce Brosnan's Bond is just as applicable to Roger Moore.

    Agreed. They're both great. As I posted earlier, to criticize Brosnan while defending Moore is illogical. They're so similar; both camp and fun to the extreme.

    Absolutely! They both have movies I like and a lot of the criticism has more to do with the elements around the actor than the actor himself too. There's only so much control you have over the project once you sign a contract I'd imagine.
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    The best portrayal of Blofeld is FRWL.

    Not really controversial. Debatable but not controversial. And I agree.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    The best portrayal of Blofeld is FRWL.

    Not really controversial. Debatable but not controversial. And I agree.

    Quite. The only real argument is do you prefer FRWL Blofeld or TB Blofeld. Both are far better than any of the ones whose faces we see.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    The best portrayal of Blofeld is FRWL.

    Not really controversial. Debatable but not controversial. And I agree.

    Quite. The only real argument is do you prefer FRWL Blofeld or TB Blofeld. Both are far better than any of the ones whose faces we see.
    Completely agree, which is why I am a firm believer (perhaps controversially and in a minority) that this character should be retired once and for all.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The best portrayal of Blofeld is FRWL.

    Not really controversial. Debatable but not controversial. And I agree.

    Quite. The only real argument is do you prefer FRWL Blofeld or TB Blofeld. Both are far better than any of the ones whose faces we see.
    Completely agree, which is why I am a firm believer (perhaps controversially and in a minority) that this character should be retired once and for all.

    He should never have been brought back.
  • Telly's Blofeld is usually held in quite high regard. He made him more human and realistic than the automaton's of TB and FRWL. I like the latter two but hard to see how they would worked with the expanded role of Blofeld in OHMSS.
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