Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Never really put that together regarding Glen, but yes, it's always nice to give a little more motivation by having a villain/henchmen cut down a likable ally.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Yes, I never realized that either before now. He tended to spare the secondary babe too (Bibi, Magda, Lupe), which was unusual as well.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    edited February 2017 Posts: 2,730
    Bibi is the worst character in the history of the franchise
  • RC7RC7
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    Bebe is the worst character in the history of the franchise

    The Portuguese footballer?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,019
    RC7 wrote: »
    Bebe is the worst character in the history of the franchise

    The Portuguese footballer?
    No, the Israeli prime minister.

  • TheSharkFromJawsTheSharkFromJaws Amity Island Waters
    Posts: 127
    When u watching the oscars

    And they say they are bringing out the most cinematically famous car and Your like

    Db5
    It has to be the db5
    Theirs no question.... db5
    Then they bring out the car from back to the future and u like bull shit
    In all fairness the DeLorean really is the most famous car of all time, even though I'd personally put the DB5 over it. And probably the Interceptor from The Road Warrior.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    When u watching the oscars

    And they say they are bringing out the most cinematically famous car and Your like

    Db5
    It has to be the db5
    Theirs no question.... db5
    Then they bring out the car from back to the future and u like bull shit
    In all fairness the DeLorean really is the most famous car of all time, even though I'd personally put the DB5 over it. And probably the Interceptor from The Road Warrior.
    I always thought it was the DB5? More generations of viewers have certainly seen the car over the years, and will definitely associate it with James Bond. I can appreciate that younger folks may know about the DeLorean, but quite frankly I can't see older people being all that knowledgeable about it.

    I suppose they got this from some survey result.
  • I am of the 80s and I didn't think of the DeLorean. Then again I'm also a lifelong JB fan...
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    bondjames wrote: »
    When u watching the oscars

    And they say they are bringing out the most cinematically famous car and Your like

    Db5
    It has to be the db5
    Theirs no question.... db5
    Then they bring out the car from back to the future and u like bull shit
    In all fairness the DeLorean really is the most famous car of all time, even though I'd personally put the DB5 over it. And probably the Interceptor from The Road Warrior.
    I always thought it was the DB5? More generations of viewers have certainly seen the car over the years, and will definitely associate it with James Bond. I can appreciate that younger folks may know about the DeLorean, but quite frankly I can't see older people being all that knowledgeable about it.

    I suppose they got this from some survey result.

    Agree. Delorean is nowhere near as famous as the DB5.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Absolutely...the DB5 is an icon spanning over 50 years.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 6,844
    Herbie might be the second one I thought of, but I knew it wasn't that either.

    Or the Batmobile...
  • NSGW wrote: »
    I always liked OP as a kid, although I never ranked it very highly. However, re-watching it recently and reading all the positives that have been pointed on here has definitely furthered my appreciation for it and made me realise that, once you take away the obvious silly moments, its actually a pretty great Moore adventure. I think it has one of the strongest final acts in the series (with some excellent tension and stunts), which is great seeing as so many Bond films usually run out of steam towards the end.

    In all fairness to OP, NSNA or any of the 007 pictures, the films need to be seen in their totality. Both are honestly mediocre pictures, but man the bad stuff in OP is truly awful.
    Even the great PTS in OP gets ruined by some lame comedic bit at the end, the gas station stuff. Ugh.
  • Posts: 19,339
    I love OP,it was the first Bond film i saw at the cinema in 1983... [-X
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I love "Fill 'er up please"
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I want to see sheriff j w pepper make a return
  • Posts: 19,339
    No bloody way.... :-O
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited February 2017 Posts: 9,509
    @bondjames, I'm with you on "Fill 'er up, please". I also finished OP yesterday. RM was charming as hell. Maybe it's a little nostalgia affecting my Bond marathon, and my feelings for RM in particular, but the closer I get to his last 007 adventure, the more warm, and emotional and appreciative I become of his body of work in the role.

    It was a silly time in the 007 series. They were getting further away from the source material in some ways. However, with Maibaum on the scenes, they still had great flourishes of Fleming, and Moore would rise to the occasion and showed us, especially in FYEO and OP, how much of a cold hearted killer he could be (Locque's murder; shooting soldier's point blank in the head in OP, and Twin One (Mischa?)'s death was brutally violent), or how desperate he could be (defusing the bomb in OP).

    I'm briefly interrupting, and delaying watching AVTAK as I will be watching NSNA this evening.
  • A chase sequence that leads through an old folks home perhaps? Where we find JW shuffling around randomly pointing at orderlies and fellow residents, saying, "Ahh know yoooooou. You're that English secret agent! From England!"
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Absolutely...the DB5 is an icon spanning over 50 years.
    Is there a book like this on the De Lorean?

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I must get me a copy of that. Thanks for posting.
    ---

    @peter, Moore did indeed have some great kills in FYEO & OP. Grishkas was particularly brutal (including the dying yell), and there were a few Russian soldiers who went down hard near the train (including the chap who took it right between the eyes).

    I have an inkling to watch AVTAK soon as well, although I'm afraid it may disappoint, as is usually the case.
  • Posts: 19,339
    JUst treat AVTAK as Bond's last mission before he retires...it works really well for me then and you really cheer him on !!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    barryt007 wrote: »
    JUst treat AVTAK as Bond's last mission before he retires...it works really well for me then and you really cheer him on !!
    That's a good idea. I never thought of that. Will do. Thanks!
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    @bondjames before I started this little marathon (inspired by what I was reading on this site), I did watch AVTAK about a month ago. It was the first time I watched it in easily twenty five years, no exaggeration. Since I was fifteen or sixteen...

    Once again, it may be nostalgia interfering with being critical, but I've come to terms that Connery's earlier exploits can't be repeated, nor should they-- but I do so love the clothes, the cars, the women, the tone of the films...- and now, with this acceptance, I have never enjoyed Moore as much I have at this moment.

    Watching AVTAK just recently, there was the usual shock at the "plastic and pulled back" look Roger was displaying. He looked in pain every time he smiled. And why the hell did he take off that distinctive mole of his?

    It's also true he lost a bit of the intensity that he showed in his previous two films. Saying that, and with a nod to the wonderful Chris Walken, Moore has quite a few interesting face-offs with Zorin that brings the best out of both actors. Add in Mayday and a fun GF rip-off, I was pleasantly entertained, even when things got to San Fran (up until then, I was actually quite involved with the story, minus a few hiccups here and there (PTS Beach Boys tune)).

    Truly cringe-worthy is when he was bedding very, very, very young women, but I kind of shiver (the girl in the PTS, Mayday and Stacey at the end), and move on, pretending I didn't see any of that.

    In the end, although Rog is kind of my distant third favorite 007, I do admire and respect him more and more. He had charm and presence to spare, and there's no one who could ever come close to playing it the way he did. He was very quite special.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @peter, I'm glad you're finding an appreciation for Sir Rog. As you're probably aware, he's my 2nd fave behind the great King Sean. You're right though, apart from being manhandled (essentially) by Mayday, he bed 3 others if one considers the Russian girl, which must be some kind of record. They certainly gave old Rog a special sendoff!

    AVTAK (along with TWINE, my 24 out of 24) is the Bond film I watch the least, and so I'm actually looking forward to it. I'll report back if I get a chance to see it tonight.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    I watched it yesterday and it's true - there is a certain uncharacteristic desperate hurriedness and panic to the normally unflappable Moore during that entire sequence which adds to the tension - from the forearm jerk to the kids in the car who wouldn't give him a ride, to his "Damn it! Let go! Let me go, there's a bomb in 'ere!". Great stuff.

    Indeed, it's one of the most human moments of Moore's Superbond: when the bomb is deactivated, he's absolutely exhausted, under deep stress and quite angry at the soldiers and police officerd. He has been sweating a lot, as his makeup is falling off and his eyes say "now you're congratulating me, you bastards?", and, maybe, just maybe, "man, I'm getting too old for this".
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Rank the actors and your reasons

    Roger Moore: he's so consistently good and fun in the role

    Timothy Dalton; amazingly dark and Fleming like wish he had more films

    Pierce brosnan; perfect in the role, funny and full of action and cool, shame his movies wernt good enough

    Season Connery: based on his performance in Goldfinger and frwl he is. by far the best, but when it averages out even though I love him it's about here

    Daniel Craig: I think he's great and love his brutality in casino Royale but he's just fine























    The worst:
    George Lazenby: never again thank god his agent was a duffer
  • Posts: 19,339
    bondjames wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    JUst treat AVTAK as Bond's last mission before he retires...it works really well for me then and you really cheer him on !!
    That's a good idea. I never thought of that. Will do. Thanks!

    My pleasure my friend,it does work !

  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited February 2017 Posts: 6,277
    In a way, Lazenby took a bullet much as Tracy did. The first time, Connery was irreplaceable. The second, not so much.

    Connery was terrible with the press in a similar way to Craig...but they both have given us great Bonds.
  • TheSharkFromJawsTheSharkFromJaws Amity Island Waters
    Posts: 127
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    When u watching the oscars

    And they say they are bringing out the most cinematically famous car and Your like

    Db5
    It has to be the db5
    Theirs no question.... db5
    Then they bring out the car from back to the future and u like bull shit
    In all fairness the DeLorean really is the most famous car of all time, even though I'd personally put the DB5 over it. And probably the Interceptor from The Road Warrior.
    I always thought it was the DB5? More generations of viewers have certainly seen the car over the years, and will definitely associate it with James Bond. I can appreciate that younger folks may know about the DeLorean, but quite frankly I can't see older people being all that knowledgeable about it.

    I suppose they got this from some survey result.

    Agree. Delorean is nowhere near as famous as the DB5.
    Yes it is. They're at least of extremely similar fame. It might just be a case of a generation gap to say otherwise.

    'Course I'm an 80s kid and Back to the Future was a major aspect of my childhood that predated my Bond experience by a couple years and is still among my absolute favorite films.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    When u watching the oscars

    And they say they are bringing out the most cinematically famous car and Your like

    Db5
    It has to be the db5
    Theirs no question.... db5
    Then they bring out the car from back to the future and u like bull shit
    In all fairness the DeLorean really is the most famous car of all time, even though I'd personally put the DB5 over it. And probably the Interceptor from The Road Warrior.
    I always thought it was the DB5? More generations of viewers have certainly seen the car over the years, and will definitely associate it with James Bond. I can appreciate that younger folks may know about the DeLorean, but quite frankly I can't see older people being all that knowledgeable about it.

    I suppose they got this from some survey result.

    Agree. Delorean is nowhere near as famous as the DB5.
    Yes it is. They're at least of extremely similar fame. It might just be a case of a generation gap to say otherwise.

    'Course I'm an 80s kid and Back to the Future was a major aspect of my childhood that predated my Bond experience by a couple years and is still among my absolute favorite films.

    No its not. I'm an 80's kid too and naturally I love BTTF. But half the worlds population has seen a Bond film and the DB5 has been the iconic Bond car since 64. Hence, more generations are familiar with the DB5.
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