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This was discussed over and over and you know my opinion about the man. For me, the weakest of the whole lot, because he was neither the charming boy like Moore and Brosnan nor was he a convincing hard guy with charme like Connery and DC. But you know, we don't really need to go into that again. I cannot convince you, that DC is better and visa versa. Its all good. Cheers...
Wasn't the DB5 going to be blown up in China? I think it was. That to me sounds like a way of distancing Dalton from Connery, and not a ploy by EON to try and make Dalton more popular to the audience.
And maybe this is just me, but I struggle to see Craig as tough when he pouts so much. It's as if he thinks he's on a catwalk.
He does pout, yes - mostly when he is in motion and its not one of his better traits, I agree, but it dosn't take away the many moments, when he doesn't and is highly convincing - to me - as a tough agent. I think, this is one of the characteristics even those, who dislike him, agree on - that he gives the tough Bond version convincingly...only his Bond is much more then just a tough cookie..
As someone who dislikes Craig as Bond, I'd beg to differ. Connery did the tough guy act well, and he didn't overdo it too. He looked like he could handle himself in a fight, but at the same time, it didn't look too obvious.
Agreed...wow, never thought, I would say that :D
@Baltimore - after CR, when people were blown away (well many) by his prformance, his screen presence was one of the most often named traits. I believe, its true, too - because even before I became a fan, I felt it in CR. Maybe partly because of it, I fell for him.
There was a charming little quote from somebody during a discussion about the cast in the film "There were other people?" I think, althought blown out of proportion, of course, that nails it regarding his presence.
Well, back in the 60s, all one needed to do was punch a guy every once in a while and then he was obviously a bad ass. Nowadays, thanks to the myriad of action films that come out almost once a week, punching a guy once in a while isn't good enough anymore.
Soon, even punching a guy every five minutes won't be good enough, and we'll need to see complex, slow motion moves that involve:
punching one guy
pulling a gun and pistol whipping another
kicking a third
shooting a fourth
dropping the gun to surprise the fifth while roundhouse kicking the sixth
then finally grabbing onto a pipe and snapping the fifth's neck with the legs.
Hell, it was even complex to plan while writing it.
However, while I like the brutality of Craig's Bond, I actually do like him based on his acting talents and his presence.
Would've loved to see the DB5 get blown up in some sort of epic chase, giving it one last appearence but also getting rid of the car. Dalton's 3rd film would've been so awesome.
Other than Bond fighting robots (I seriously think Cubby would've vetoed this. Let's not forget he put the mockers on the elephant stampede in TMWTGG.) I agree. The Train sequence sounds like it could've been one hell of an action sequence.
I also loved the sound of the motorbike chase on the great wall.
First of all, the imbedded quotes look awesome.
Second, robots? What?
DB5 is awesome and I'm glad it's coming back in Skyfall.
Brosnan is a great bond, should have started back in 87.
Licence to Kill sucked, TLD was great.
Clown Scene in Octopussy is great almost like a Mission Impossible type suspense.
AVTAK is pretty good.
Die Another Day was brilliant.
Quantum of Solace was brilliant.
there, argue over these humble opinions. <:-P
1) Aston Martin is the second best car in the series (behind the Lotus in TSWLM). It's use in the GE-SF period is shambolic and nowt but a cheap stunt designed to draw in the public, not Bond fans per se.
2) Brosnan is the second worst Bond in the series. He's good. But Connery, Moore, Dalton and Craig are just simply better. Would have been interesting to go back to after AVTAK with Brosnan, see how the series would have panned out. Think though Brosnan is too Moore-esque...the series needed a big change just to freshen things up and got it in Dalton.
3) LTK is a cracking film, it really is. Miles better than what Criag was going for in QOS. TLD is great I completely agree.
4) The clown scene is the most tense in the whole series. The panic and fear created by Moore is compunded by the clown costume because it showed he was desperate to get in the circus regardless. OP is just littered with great scenes...one of the best in the series.
5) AVTAK is my soft spot. I love it personally, California girls was great and Zorin and Mayday were brilliant. The plot was good and interesting. Moore did great, just looked slightly old. Stacey sutton, though amazing to look at, was very poor acting.
6) DAD = invisible car and CGI effects. Though to be honest, the PTS is alright and the rogue Bond bits are good. Iceland is just naff and the film suffers for trying to incorporate every previous Bond film in it.
7) QOS is awful. Self-indulgent tripe from Dench and Craig, trying to be clever and develop there characters and relationship. LTK is far superior as a revenge film. The plot, about what is hideous and the villains are weak and the locations unexotic.
But that's not Brosnan's fault, He was very much like Dalton in GoldenEye. Purvis and Wade's horrible writing is what made him bad. He did the best with what he had. Purvis and Wade are to blame for the downfall in quality of the Brosnan films.
Your view on Purvis and Wade hits the nail on the head so much! they really are awful and terrible
this is all imo
1- It WAS awesome, in GF and TB. Now it's overused and I'm unhappy it's back.
2- Brosnan is a great Bond, but Dalton is better, so no.
3- [-( TLD was great, LTK is the greatest film of all time.
4- That is a great scene yeah.
5- It was ok. Moore was too old and Mayday sucked.
6- No it wasn't. It was good up until Icarus was revealed. THEN things really went downhill and the film turns to crap.
7- No, it really wasn't. It was god damn awful. The very worst in the series, not sure why you hate LTK but like this, since in alot of ways this was a Bournier version of LTK.
I dislike Licence to Kill because it's boring and weak. And the fact it has too much gore. Exploding head, Impaled bodies and winking fish isn't a bond movie, it's a mess. The things I do like about it is Q, he saved the film where it was at it's worst.
Bournier version of LTK? not really QoS was about Bond figuring out who quantum was, not getting revenge.
Felix wasn't mangled to death in Casino Royale so it isn't the same.
Did we watch the same film?
Except this was the 1st time this happened, so it was fresh and original back then. Now it would be more original to make it NOT personal.
Great point. That would be refreshing for Bond 24.
Arguably, every film since LTK has had a personal dimension for Bond--either it's personal from the beginning (LTK, TWINE, DAD, QoS), or it becomes personal (GE, TND, CR). Isn't part of being a double-O that he doesn't take killing personally?
I love that aspect of the films, having Bond personally affected and showing humanity again. And part of Bond's struggles in the books was the morals involved with his killing, and at times he was broken by it. That's why I wish the movies catered more to the Fleming novels.
In the series, there have been three deaths that have had a significant impact in one way or another: Tracy, Della (and the maiming of Felix) and Vesper. These deaths have influenced, one way or another, the actions either throughout the same film or in the following film in DAF, LTK and QOS, respectively. They have all treated revenge in a slightly different way. DAF gets revenge out the way pretty quick and with the emotion seeming to be focused mainly on killing Blofeld, not with Tracy in mind. LTK, on the other hand, the death is the plot driver and arguably, Bond shows anger throughout the film and the actions are revenge driven. In QOS, there is an undercurrent of revenge to Bond's actions though this is only highlighted by Mathis and at the end (he only dropped the necklace once he had got what he wanted).
I agree with 0Brady and Royale (hope you don't mind the name shortening!). I want to see some humanity in the man (I've read the books, too) - I do not want a robo Bond or Arnold clone or one dimensional Bond. I want it balanced, and I am glad there is a lighter side to Skyfall (from what we know). But keep the human touches and moments that keep Bond more fully developed than other action heroes. Please.
I agree with this. The more Fleming, the better. And something like TLD handles it very well ("If he fires me I'll thank him for it"...and then the plot moves on.) I am tired of the turncoat agent plot twist--please give us something new, Eon!
1) Agreed..though the cameo in GE was fun with Xenia Onatopp
2) nah Lazenby and Craig are the worst ones. the list goes from Good to Mediocre: Connery, Moore, Brosnan/Dalton, Lazenby, Craig....though i think that if Brosnan got better scripts he would have done very well as Bond
3) Licence to kill is truly a great underrated bond adventure
4) totally it was really good especially when Bond defused the bomb under a couple of seconds
5) another underrated film better than Qantum of Solace or Die Another Day
6) Die Another Day had a good strong half but failed when going to iceland- Brosnan does his best performace as Bond, Judi Dench, John Cleese and Rosmund Pike are the only good actors in it and the pre-title sequence is cool.
7) almost everyone on Mi6 Forums knows my opinion of Qantum of Solace...the pimple on the arse of bond films...so ill save the typing space...
Whenever I think of Bond an image of Brosnan pops into my head. Even though Roger Moore is my favorite actor who has played 007.
I agree with the statement back in the day that he was born for the role; he just fits it perfectly. I love GE, TND and to a lesser degree TWINE, I can look past its faults, but he would have benefited greatly from superior scripts.
I'm sorry Signed_By_RogerMoore, I'm afraid I can't agree. Daniel Craig, although a fantastic actor, will never be a top Bond for me. Call me superficial, but he doesn't resemble the cinematic Bond I'm fond of, he looks more like a generic, blonde henchman to me.
I think Guy Hamilton was the worst director of Bonds - sure he got lucky with Goldfinger, but his other Bond films are dire (mmm, Tom Mankiewicz seems to have had a hand in the others!), and he also thought that Burt Reynolds would have made a good Bond?!!!