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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    I am equally insane. I think the Newman scores are brilliant. I love them.
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
    Posts: 678
    I'm a fan of Eric Serra's GoldenEye score. Yes, "Ladies First" stands out as a weird experiment, but there are beautiful, grand, evocative tracks like "We Share The Same Passions", "The Severnaya Suite", "That's What Keeps You Alone", "Whispering Statues", that are very classical Bond. There's also the more atmospheric, suspenseful tracks like "Fatal Weakness", "A Little Surprise For You" that add to tense scenes.

    Overall I find the score very memorable.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Agreed. I love GE's score.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,136
    Murdock wrote: »
    Agreed. I love GE's score.

    One of my favourites.

    Also quite a big Serra fan outside 007, especially Le grand bleu and Nikita are brilliant scores. Léon and The Fifth Element are pretty good too.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    edited September 2018 Posts: 16,169
    Controversial opinion:

    I like Stacey Sutton's screaming.


    Under the right situation her screaming 'James" could be quite fun, if your name happens to be James.

    Controversial opinion:

    Under NO circumstances, should James Bond sport a goatee or beard (unless he's being tortured for 14 months), and under NO circumstances should he sport a high fade.


    I suppose that rules out a few candidates for the part once Craig retires.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited September 2018 Posts: 17,757
    I don't mind Stacey Sutton's screaming either. It just hasn't bothered me that much.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Agreed. I love GE's score.

    One of my favourites.

    Also quite a big Serra fan outside 007, especially Le grand bleu and Nikita are brilliant scores. Léon and The Fifth Element are pretty good too.
    Me too. Big fan here.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I like Stacey Sutton's screaming.


    Under the right situation her screaming 'James" could be quite fun, if your name happens to be James.
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    I don't mind Stacey Sutton's screaming either. It just hasn't bothered me that much.
    Indeed. I have no problems with her screaming either. She makes up for it in other ways. To be honest, I quite like Ms. Sutton. She's certainly better & more credible than "Dr." Jones (a sick joke denigrating a great character by name inference), at least imho.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited September 2018 Posts: 17,757
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I like Stacey Sutton's screaming.


    Under the right situation her screaming 'James" could be quite fun, if your name happens to be James.
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    I don't mind Stacey Sutton's screaming either. It just hasn't bothered me that much.
    Indeed. I have no problems with her screaming either. She makes up for it in other ways. To be honest, I quite like Ms. Sutton. She's certainly better & more credible than "Dr." Jones (a sick joke denigrating a great character by name inference), at least imho.

    Very good point. The character and Tanya Roberts' acting wasn't that bad either, IMO. A good-looking Bond girl, too!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I like Stacey Sutton's screaming.


    Under the right situation her screaming 'James" could be quite fun, if your name happens to be James.
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    I don't mind Stacey Sutton's screaming either. It just hasn't bothered me that much.
    Indeed. I have no problems with her screaming either. She makes up for it in other ways. To be honest, I quite like Ms. Sutton. She's certainly better & more credible than "Dr." Jones (a sick joke denigrating a great character by name inference), at least imho.

    Very good point. The character and Tanya Roberts' acting wasn't that bad either, IMO. A good-looking Bond girl, too!
    Yes, the character had a bit of pluck to her, which I personally like. Roberts was a bit young for Rog, but apart from that I think she played the oil heiress character as written reasonably well. She was meant to be a bit out of her league.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited September 2018 Posts: 17,757
    bondjames wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I like Stacey Sutton's screaming.


    Under the right situation her screaming 'James" could be quite fun, if your name happens to be James.
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    I don't mind Stacey Sutton's screaming either. It just hasn't bothered me that much.
    Indeed. I have no problems with her screaming either. She makes up for it in other ways. To be honest, I quite like Ms. Sutton. She's certainly better & more credible than "Dr." Jones (a sick joke denigrating a great character by name inference), at least imho.

    Very good point. The character and Tanya Roberts' acting wasn't that bad either, IMO. A good-looking Bond girl, too!
    Yes, the character had a bit of pluck to her, which I personally like. Roberts was a bit young for Rog, but apart from that I think she played the oil heiress character as written reasonably well. She was meant to be a bit out of her league.

    Definitely agree. I think she handled the character just fine.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Ruined a few otherwise great scenes with that "JAMES!" or "James..."

    Controversial opinion: I like her voice! :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I like Stacey Sutton's screaming.


    Under the right situation her screaming 'James" could be quite fun, if your name happens to be James.
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    I don't mind Stacey Sutton's screaming either. It just hasn't bothered me that much.
    Indeed. I have no problems with her screaming either. She makes up for it in other ways. To be honest, I quite like Ms. Sutton. She's certainly better & more credible than "Dr." Jones (a sick joke denigrating a great character by name inference), at least imho.

    Very good point. The character and Tanya Roberts' acting wasn't that bad either, IMO. A good-looking Bond girl, too!
    Yes, the character had a bit of pluck to her, which I personally like. Roberts was a bit young for Rog, but apart from that I think she played the oil heiress character as written reasonably well. She was meant to be a bit out of her league.

    Definitely agree. I think she handled the character just fine.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Ruined a few otherwise great scenes with that "JAMES!" or "James..."

    Controversial opinion: I like her voice! :))
    A little husky and dare I say, a bit Johansson'esque. I'm partial to it too.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,757
    bondjames wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I like Stacey Sutton's screaming.


    Under the right situation her screaming 'James" could be quite fun, if your name happens to be James.
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    I don't mind Stacey Sutton's screaming either. It just hasn't bothered me that much.
    Indeed. I have no problems with her screaming either. She makes up for it in other ways. To be honest, I quite like Ms. Sutton. She's certainly better & more credible than "Dr." Jones (a sick joke denigrating a great character by name inference), at least imho.

    Very good point. The character and Tanya Roberts' acting wasn't that bad either, IMO. A good-looking Bond girl, too!
    Yes, the character had a bit of pluck to her, which I personally like. Roberts was a bit young for Rog, but apart from that I think she played the oil heiress character as written reasonably well. She was meant to be a bit out of her league.

    Definitely agree. I think she handled the character just fine.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Ruined a few otherwise great scenes with that "JAMES!" or "James..."

    Controversial opinion: I like her voice! :))
    A little husky and dare I say, a bit Johansson'esque. I'm partial to it too.

    That's a good way to describe it!
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Ruined a few otherwise great scenes with that "JAMES!" or "James..."
    I wouldn't call them great scenes, but they sure didn't get improved by it. I think a fun video would be somebody to intercut the drinking guy from the Moore era tipping a glass with each time Sutton screamed "James" in AVTAK. Would also make a good drinking game.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,169
    I always felt if it were Holly Goodhead or Anya in the elevator screaming "JAAAAAAAAAMES" it wouldn't work as they were both trained agents accustomed to danger. Stacey is a geologist who had probably never been in a burning elevator shaft before. I can excuse her for panicking.
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I always felt if it were Holly Goodhead or Anya in the elevator screaming "JAAAAAAAAAMES" it wouldn't work as they were both trained agents accustomed to danger. Stacey is a geologist who had probably never been in a burning elevator shaft before. I can excuse her for panicking.

    But it continued throughout the film. That's the difference.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    The only time her screaming got on my nerves is when she does it after Zorin falls off the bridge. Her tone is almost "James. You bad boy!". Oh shut up, Midge. God I love That '70s Show lol.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
    Posts: 984
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    I'm a fan of Eric Serra's GoldenEye score. Yes, "Ladies First" stands out as a weird experiment, but there are beautiful, grand, evocative tracks like "We Share The Same Passions", "The Severnaya Suite", "That's What Keeps You Alone", "Whispering Statues", that are very classical Bond. There's also the more atmospheric, suspenseful tracks like "Fatal Weakness", "A Little Surprise For You" that add to tense scenes.

    Overall I find the score very memorable.

    Agreed on this.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
    Posts: 984
    Maybe not that controversial an opinion, but I rather like the fact that Moore was, shall we say, starting to creak a little in AVTAK. There was some subtle nods to it in the film too. Zorin's amusement when his computer database says "extremely dangerous".

    I think Moore intentionally came across a bit more as a world weary veteran, rather than his usual playboy self. Particularly his utter contempt for Zorin. A far cry from the far more genial relationship he seemed to have with Kamal in the film preceding this.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Roadphill wrote: »
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    I'm a fan of Eric Serra's GoldenEye score. Yes, "Ladies First" stands out as a weird experiment, but there are beautiful, grand, evocative tracks like "We Share The Same Passions", "The Severnaya Suite", "That's What Keeps You Alone", "Whispering Statues", that are very classical Bond. There's also the more atmospheric, suspenseful tracks like "Fatal Weakness", "A Little Surprise For You" that add to tense scenes.

    Overall I find the score very memorable.

    Agreed on this.
    +2
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Maybe not that controversial an opinion, but I rather like the fact that Moore was, shall we say, starting to creak a little in AVTAK. There was some subtle nods to it in the film too. Zorin's amusement when his computer database says "extremely dangerous".

    I think Moore intentionally came across a bit more as a world weary veteran, rather than his usual playboy self. Particularly his utter contempt for Zorin. A far cry from the far more genial relationship he seemed to have with Kamal in the film preceding this.
    I've seen this opinion expressed here before. I can't say I've noticed it myself though, but will look out for it the next time I see the film. I have noticed that Moore is much more serious in this film than he is in OP. There's more of an edge to his portrayal.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited September 2018 Posts: 17,757
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.

    Every time I see a Tarantino film or his name being mentioned, it only reminds me how much is left to be desired in the script department in the Bond films (especially dialogue).

    No doubt the Bond films need some new script writers.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.


    That is as far away from controversial as it could possibly get on this site! I don't think there's any fan of P&W left. That would be controversial if someone claimed to be!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.

    Every time I see a Tarantino film or his name being mentioned, it only reminds me how much is left to be desired in the script department in the Bond films (especially dialogue).

    No doubt the Bond films need some new script writers.
    jobo wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.


    That is as far away from controversial as it could possibly get on this site! I don't think there's any fan of P&W left. That would be controversial if someone claimed to be!

    It's not even that they're bad, it's just that they have been more miss than hit. Even Richard Maibaum sat a every couple of films out. Nothing else that they have done has been hits. That's probably one of the reasons why DC kept debating coming back: Barbara needs to get rid of them! Based not coming back originally for Spectre and their comments about fitting/writing in a James Bond in modern times, is a sign that they are DONE! WHY ARE THEY STILL AROUND?! No wonder Danny Boyle and John Hodge left: They didn't want THEM in particular to mess up their script! End of rant, sorry.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    I'll be even more controversial. We may not have a possible movie security, but we do have two at least James Bond story arcs to read until the movie comes out. Dynamite has had better quality than EON has lately, that’s for sure. They got Oddjob coming back, more classic characters could be returning, a non brother Blofeld, Goldfinger, Irma Bunt, Alec Trevelyan? They can probably handle a comeback for any of these characters then EON can. I know I go on these rants, but with James Bond now, I trust these people above everyone else.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,757
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.

    Every time I see a Tarantino film or his name being mentioned, it only reminds me how much is left to be desired in the script department in the Bond films (especially dialogue).

    No doubt the Bond films need some new script writers.
    jobo wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.


    That is as far away from controversial as it could possibly get on this site! I don't think there's any fan of P&W left. That would be controversial if someone claimed to be!

    It's not even that they're bad, it's just that they have been more miss than hit. Even Richard Maibaum sat a every couple of films out. Nothing else that they have done has been hits. That's probably one of the reasons why DC kept debating coming back: Barbara needs to get rid of them! Based not coming back originally for Spectre and their comments about fitting/writing in a James Bond in modern times, is a sign that they are DONE! WHY ARE THEY STILL AROUND?! No wonder Danny Boyle and John Hodge left: They didn't want THEM in particular to mess up their script! End of rant, sorry.

    I don't think anyone would argue with the points in this rant. I feel the scripts are particularly bad in the films from the last decade or so – even the highly praised SF (can't remember how much involvement they had here or not).
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.

    Every time I see a Tarantino film or his name being mentioned, it only reminds me how much is left to be desired in the script department in the Bond films (especially dialogue).

    No doubt the Bond films need some new script writers.
    jobo wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.


    That is as far away from controversial as it could possibly get on this site! I don't think there's any fan of P&W left. That would be controversial if someone claimed to be!

    It's not even that they're bad, it's just that they have been more miss than hit. Even Richard Maibaum sat a every couple of films out. Nothing else that they have done has been hits. That's probably one of the reasons why DC kept debating coming back: Barbara needs to get rid of them! Based not coming back originally for Spectre and their comments about fitting/writing in a James Bond in modern times, is a sign that they are DONE! WHY ARE THEY STILL AROUND?! No wonder Danny Boyle and John Hodge left: They didn't want THEM in particular to mess up their script! End of rant, sorry.

    I don't think anyone would argue with the points in this rant. I feel the scripts are particularly bad in the films from the last decade or so – even the highly praised SF (can't remember how much involvement they had here or not).

    I think the majority of the plot is theirs. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Logan's main contribution was the Q scene and the scenes in China. I could be wrong.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Birdleson wrote: »
    The raid on Kristatos’ shipping warehouse by Bond and Columbo and his men beats the Hell out of any action scene from SF or SP.

    Agreed.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,807
    Really? Not something I'd automatically compare.

  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,757
    Remington wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.

    Every time I see a Tarantino film or his name being mentioned, it only reminds me how much is left to be desired in the script department in the Bond films (especially dialogue).

    No doubt the Bond films need some new script writers.
    jobo wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.


    That is as far away from controversial as it could possibly get on this site! I don't think there's any fan of P&W left. That would be controversial if someone claimed to be!

    It's not even that they're bad, it's just that they have been more miss than hit. Even Richard Maibaum sat a every couple of films out. Nothing else that they have done has been hits. That's probably one of the reasons why DC kept debating coming back: Barbara needs to get rid of them! Based not coming back originally for Spectre and their comments about fitting/writing in a James Bond in modern times, is a sign that they are DONE! WHY ARE THEY STILL AROUND?! No wonder Danny Boyle and John Hodge left: They didn't want THEM in particular to mess up their script! End of rant, sorry.

    I don't think anyone would argue with the points in this rant. I feel the scripts are particularly bad in the films from the last decade or so – even the highly praised SF (can't remember how much involvement they had here or not).

    I think the majority of the plot is theirs. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Logan's main contribution was the Q scene and the scenes in China. I could be wrong.

    I see. I find their plot generally a bit "meh", and the dialogue awkward at times, which reflects on the viewing experience of the films. I wonder if they'll have any involvement in Bond 25 now that Boyle and Hodge have left the production.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.

    Every time I see a Tarantino film or his name being mentioned, it only reminds me how much is left to be desired in the script department in the Bond films (especially dialogue).

    No doubt the Bond films need some new script writers.
    jobo wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: When Bond 7 comes, Neal Pervis and Robert Wade HAVE to go. Their stories are drying up. If James Bond needs any freshness for the next guy to play him, it's new writing, above all else.


    That is as far away from controversial as it could possibly get on this site! I don't think there's any fan of P&W left. That would be controversial if someone claimed to be!

    It's not even that they're bad, it's just that they have been more miss than hit. Even Richard Maibaum sat a every couple of films out. Nothing else that they have done has been hits. That's probably one of the reasons why DC kept debating coming back: Barbara needs to get rid of them! Based not coming back originally for Spectre and their comments about fitting/writing in a James Bond in modern times, is a sign that they are DONE! WHY ARE THEY STILL AROUND?! No wonder Danny Boyle and John Hodge left: They didn't want THEM in particular to mess up their script! End of rant, sorry.

    I don't think anyone would argue with the points in this rant. I feel the scripts are particularly bad in the films from the last decade or so – even the highly praised SF (can't remember how much involvement they had here or not).

    I think the majority of the plot is theirs. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Logan's main contribution was the Q scene and the scenes in China. I could be wrong.

    I see. I find their plot generally a bit "meh", and the dialogue awkward at times, which reflects on the viewing experience of the films. I wonder if they'll have any involvement in Bond 25 now that Boyle and Hodge have left the production.

    I recommend Some Kind of Hero. It goes into detail about earlier drafts. At one point, Felix was going to have a scene with M.
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