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I get that. I was just offering a reason for why it may have been deemed a ‘failure’, as you put, for some.
I actually love the movie - I think the water plot was a good idea and I like the character of Camille a lot. It just does not work without CR though - at least to me besides other Bond movies it really needs this other film to properly enjoy it.
But from what is read even here it‘s gained a lot of reputation ... at least I get that impression.
So - I dunno if it‘s that controversial anymore but I truly love this Bond movie even I hated the editing for a long time because I felt betrayed of many great action scenes and locations I could not follow as fast as it was edited.
The reviews were pretty savage at the time. The critics loathed it.
I think it starts and ends wonderfully - it’s the connective tissue in between that doesn’t interest me, especially as a follow up to CR.
That was sort of my issue as well. Well, unlike you I wasn't particularly bothered about Bond grieving for Vesper (I wouldn't have minded a film focused on that but I was pretty content with how CR left things there to be honest), but I just wish they'd decided what the film was actually about. It's a really messy film imo, which is especially shocking because of how short it is. It tries to do so much in between its poorly edited chase scenes that none of it really works for me. And I'd find that a lot easier to deal with if some of the usual comforts were there but no, it actually shuns the tropes even more than CR did (but then we do also get the weird GF homage for some reason?). So not only did they fail at achieving the far too many goals they set for themselves, they also failed to give me at least the base level of enjoyment that I get from watching any other Bond film just because it's Bond. It'll probably always be my least favourite. Thank god for Sam Mendes.
Agreed, and that’s a good observation: for all the kudos it gets for being lean, it feels like it’s trying to balance too many spinning plates in its quest to be about something.
Also, in the spirit of this thread, I’ll give QoS this: I like Another Way to Die. It’s not a masterpiece, but the song has more swagger and character than the movie.
I don't hate it as a song, but I'm not a fan of it as a Bond song. I know Jack White usually goes for thrashy and barebones but his songs usually flow well. AWTD doesn't for me, it's sort of choppy and disjointed, and because of that they don't have a melody to weave through the film's score.
I've read that they had to rush it because Amy Winehouse couldn't do it, so maybe that explains it. I wouldn't mind him getting another attempt because I'm sure he could do better on his own and with more time.
Not quite 50/50 but it's certainly more loved based on rankings
It definitely made me appreciate them more.
Agreed... and since NTTD looks like a direct follow up, there's a chance it will let me love SP even more. For example, I really hope Swann character will be expanded.
It will be interesting to see the rankings in 2020
Very unscientific. But the pattern suggests that for NO TIME TO DIE the general reaction will be to love it. And separately strong reactions against films like QUANTUM OF SOLACE and now SPECTRE soften over time.
I didn't recall the critics savaging QoS and decided to check Rotten Tomatoes and that confirmed it is rated overall fresh by their standards at 65 percent. And scanning some of the reviews of many of the critics who didn't rate it fresh did give it 2.5 stars out of 4 or a C rating at worst; some were disappointed, but hardly loathing.
She would have been well cast opposite Roger Moore, with more tongue-in-cheek material than the serious, “I’m a nuclear scientist” character in The World is Not Enough.
Dominic Greene is a very underrated villain to me as well.
I love that moment....nearly as good as the look he gives Bond when he and his goons meet Bond at the bottom of the stairs, just before the gunfight!
When he first appears on screen he’s stamping things onto a roll of paper, does anyone know what that was about? An odd way to introduce the main villain.
If you ask me it's pure sexism that people can't accept one of the hottest women of the era to be a nuclear scientist. I don't like the 'glimmer' line though.
Me too.
Connery's women and Craig's women are sharp, intelligent, and, in most cases, very sensual and sumptuous. These are women I could fall in love with. Add in the best, Tracy/Vesper... these are Bond girls/women who drive the narrative, are naturally on par with Bond (without being Bond's "equal" (so cheesy)), they enrich the story, and are sexual (without being bimbos). Perfect...
Just another way SF feels like an uncompromising reattempt at TWINE.
I must admit i'm not 100% on that myself. :/