Controversial opinions about Bond films

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    Here's another: The Goldeneye main title sequence is the best in the series.
  • 1. TSWLM's theme song by Carly Simon is and has always been a much overrated song, though it did seem to work as a Bond theme song.

    2. LALD's theme song by Paul McCartney just doesn't seem to fit as a Bond theme song. Not to take away from Sir Paul being among the most talented of musicians. And yes, Paul's talent excedes Lennon's (to open another can of worms)!

    3. Still uncomfortable about the "What makes you think this is my first" line by Bond in SF.

    4. FYEO would have been a much better film except for the awkward interaction between Bond and the young skater. More than the extreme age difference between the two, it just seemed to go flat, and Moore seemed to me to be uncomfortable in those scenes.

    5. Though Halle Barry is a great actress in her own right, she didn't seem to fit as a Bond Girl in (DAD). May have worked better before she had won Best Actress award.

    6. The Elliot Carver character in TND didn't work well, and kept the film from being on an overall equal quality plane with GE. Also, Carver's right hand man character didn't help things.
  • Here's another: The Goldeneye main title sequence is the best in the series.

    It's certainly right up there with the best of 'em!

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    Halle Berry is an awful actress, but Jinx is her best performance.
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    I like Casino Royale better than Skyfall.
  • RC7RC7
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    I like Casino Royale better than Skyfall.

    Hardly controversial.
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    RC7 wrote:
    I like Casino Royale better than Skyfall.

    Hardly controversial.

    Quite. If this thread was the "least controversial opinions", you'd win hands down my friend.
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    A few more from me

    1. I love title rumors don't ask me why I just do always have always will. Specifically the kind of title rumor that produces tons of amazing fan art here.

    2. 5 years later there is still something undeniably cool of hearing the movie voice over guy saying "Quantum of Solace" I honestly don't know why.

    3. Dominic Greene was underused there I said it

    4. As it stands Quantum has gone nowhere and stands as the biggest loose end in the franchise (yes bigger the Irma Bunt)

    5. Everything or Nothing is ok however Casino Royale by EA would of either been the best bond game ever or the worst I am unsure considering how EA liked to through in an excessive amount of far fetched gadgets how they would of done with Casino Royale however what is known about the game is nice.

    6. The Hildebrand Rarity can work as a title for a film
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    QOS is the worst and I mean worst Bond film of all time. I can never get invested in the movie no matter how many times I have watched it. Marc Foster sucked. Craigs 2nd Bond film could have been so much better.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    fjdinardo wrote:
    QOS is the worst and I mean worst Bond film of all time.
    You must see Moonraker, old man.
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    chrisisall wrote:
    fjdinardo wrote:
    QOS is the worst and I mean worst Bond film of all time.
    You must see Moonraker, old man.
    umm no contrary to popular belief Moonraker is my 2nd favorite Bond film of all time. I love MR. I love everything about that film
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Risico007 wrote:
    4. As it stands Quantum has gone nowhere and stands as the biggest loose end in the franchise (yes bigger the Irma Bunt)

    At least Skyfall references the past Vesper arc, while DAF not only forgets Irma ever existed, but also gives no mention to Tracy or Bond's thirst for revenge. Calling it a "loose end" would be an under-statement. Skyfall was a one-off, so there's no reason to claim that the Craig era has completely forgotten about Quantum already. That said, they need to wrap that up; it is seriously a make it or break it thing with me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    fjdinardo wrote:
    Moonraker is my 2nd favorite Bond film of all time. I love MR. I love everything about that film
    And QOS is the worst. Hmmmm... How about saying that you don't like it, or that you actually hate it? To state that it's "the worst and I mean worst" sets you up for... THE COMFY CHAIR!!!! [..]
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    chrisisall wrote:
    fjdinardo wrote:
    Moonraker is my 2nd favorite Bond film of all time. I love MR. I love everything about that film
    And QOS is the worst. Hmmmm... How about saying that you don't like it, or that you actually hate it? To state that it's "the worst and I mean worst" sets you up for... THE COMFY CHAIR!!!! [..]
    IMO I think its the worst Bond film of all time
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    Risico007 wrote:
    4. As it stands Quantum has gone nowhere and stands as the biggest loose end in the franchise (yes bigger the Irma Bunt)

    At least Skyfall references the past Vesper arc, while DAF not only forgets Irma ever existed, but also gives no mention to Tracy or Bond's thirst for revenge. Calling it a "loose end" would be an under-statement. Skyfall was a one-off, so there's no reason to claim that the Craig era has completely forgotten about Quantum already. That said, they need to wrap that up; it is seriously a make it or break it thing with me.
    wasn't it rumored somewhere that DAF, was never really a sequel to OHMSS, but it was a sequel to YOLT
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    fjdinardo wrote:
    Risico007 wrote:
    4. As it stands Quantum has gone nowhere and stands as the biggest loose end in the franchise (yes bigger the Irma Bunt)

    At least Skyfall references the past Vesper arc, while DAF not only forgets Irma ever existed, but also gives no mention to Tracy or Bond's thirst for revenge. Calling it a "loose end" would be an under-statement. Skyfall was a one-off, so there's no reason to claim that the Craig era has completely forgotten about Quantum already. That said, they need to wrap that up; it is seriously a make it or break it thing with me.
    wasn't it rumored somewhere that DAF, was never really a sequel to OHMSS, but it was a sequel to YOLT

    Makes even better sense when you watch it this order "YOLT, DAF then OHMSS" Then continue on so forth. So it goes from 6 Connery films to Lazenby to Moore.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    fjdinardo wrote:
    IMO I think its the worst Bond film of all time
    Fair enough. IMO I think Moonraker is the worst Bond film of all time.
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    Murdock wrote:
    fjdinardo wrote:
    Risico007 wrote:
    4. As it stands Quantum has gone nowhere and stands as the biggest loose end in the franchise (yes bigger the Irma Bunt)

    At least Skyfall references the past Vesper arc, while DAF not only forgets Irma ever existed, but also gives no mention to Tracy or Bond's thirst for revenge. Calling it a "loose end" would be an under-statement. Skyfall was a one-off, so there's no reason to claim that the Craig era has completely forgotten about Quantum already. That said, they need to wrap that up; it is seriously a make it or break it thing with me.
    wasn't it rumored somewhere that DAF, was never really a sequel to OHMSS, but it was a sequel to YOLT

    Makes even better sense when you watch it this order "YOLT, DAF then OHMSS" Then continue on so forth. So it goes from 6 Connery films to Lazenby to Moore.

    IMO one of the biggest mistakes of the franchise was them making YOLT before OHMSS
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited November 2013 Posts: 28,694
    fjdinardo wrote:
    Risico007 wrote:
    4. As it stands Quantum has gone nowhere and stands as the biggest loose end in the franchise (yes bigger the Irma Bunt)

    At least Skyfall references the past Vesper arc, while DAF not only forgets Irma ever existed, but also gives no mention to Tracy or Bond's thirst for revenge. Calling it a "loose end" would be an under-statement. Skyfall was a one-off, so there's no reason to claim that the Craig era has completely forgotten about Quantum already. That said, they need to wrap that up; it is seriously a make it or break it thing with me.
    wasn't it rumored somewhere that DAF, was never really a sequel to OHMSS, but it was a sequel to YOLT

    No, it's just called bad filmmaking. EON didn't get the $$$ they were hoping for with the more earnest and deep OHMSS, and then cashed in and checked out (story and characterization wise) for the abysmally unremarkable DAF. It is a slap in the face to Bond fans who expected some revenge fueled follow up all leading up to an epic Bond vs. Blofeld face off. Blofeld could have been Bond's Moriarty, but they cocked it up way too much by that point to salvage anything meaningful from the wreckage the franchise had become.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Elliot Carver is the most entertaining villain within the last 16 years.
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    Fleming creation has become influential because of EON, otherwise he would have been in the forgotten catalogue of thrillerwiters of yesterday.
    EONs James Bond 007 has done more for the genre than Ian Flemings James Bond 007.
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    doubleoego wrote:
    Elliot Carver is the most entertaining villain within the last 16 years.

    Silva was more entertaining in any 5 seconds ("Chasing spies. England. MI6.", "Mommy was very bad.") than Carver is across all of TND. To each their own, but damn.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    SaintMark wrote:
    Fleming creation has become influential because of EON, otherwise he would have been in the forgotten catalogue of thrillerwiters of yesterday.
    EONs James Bond 007 has done more for the genre than Ian Flemings James Bond 007.
    Now that's interesting, and looking at the overall big picture, through history, I think I agree with you. Kennedy liking his writing helped, too. But that would have been a rather short term benefit.
  • At least Skyfall references the past Vesper arc, while DAF not only forgets Irma ever existed, but also gives no mention to Tracy or Bond's thirst for revenge.
    Ditching Irma wasn't really their fault, the actress died.

    But as for completely ignoring Tracy's death, yeah, that was unforgivable and one the of major reasons I hate DAF so much.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Silva was the overall better character but some of his flamboyance didn't do it for me
    doubleoego wrote:
    Elliot Carver is the most entertaining villain within the last 16 years.

    Silva was more entertaining in any 5 seconds ("Chasing spies. England. MI6.", "Mommy was very bad.") than Carver is across all of TND. To each their own, but damn.

    Some of Silva's flamboyance just didn't work for me and the examples you gave are lines that were realised in a way that do absolutely nothing for me. In fact, I'll venture to say that Silva is a terribly overrated villain.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Silva was the overall better character but some of his flamboyance didn't do it for me
    doubleoego wrote:
    Elliot Carver is the most entertaining villain within the last 16 years.

    Silva was more entertaining in any 5 seconds ("Chasing spies. England. MI6.", "Mommy was very bad.") than Carver is across all of TND. To each their own, but damn.

    Some of Silva's flamboyance just didn't work for me and the examples you gave are lines that were realised in a way that do absolutely nothing for me. In fact, I'll venture to say that Silva is a terribly overrated villain.

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    I second that Silva is a total drama queen in his actions, how over the top are they just because he missed the love of his female boss.
  • SaintMark wrote:
    Fleming creation has become influential because of EON, otherwise he would have been in the forgotten catalogue of thrillerwiters of yesterday.
    EONs James Bond 007 has done more for the genre than Ian Flemings James Bond 007.

    Over the course of Fleming's writing career, his novels became wildly popular, and certainly long before the film Goldfinger inaugurated Bond mania. That popularity suggests that Fleming would hardly have been forgotten. But popularity aside, Fleming was obviously a literary genius. Even without the existence of the films, Fleming's work would be studied as seminal for the thriller genre.

    As for the concluding sentence, it doesn't merit a response.

  • doubleoego wrote:
    Elliot Carver is the most entertaining villain within the last 16 years.

    Silva was more entertaining in any 5 seconds ("Chasing spies. England. MI6.", "Mommy was very bad.") than Carver is across all of TND. To each their own, but damn.

    I agree with doubloego.

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