Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • DAF is also one of my favorite Bond films. It's how the Moore era should have gone. It strikes all the right notes and Connery is fantastic.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    SMERSHed wrote:

    I can only imagine how he'd be remembered if he'd been given the care that Daniel "No Personality" Craig has been shown.

    Yes because in order to have a personality one needs to be making schoolboy sex jokes all the time, pfft.

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    SMERSHed wrote:
    Brosnan had the potential to be the greatest Bond yet but he was saddled with some pretty poor scripts. (Which says something because he still an outstanding job with what he was given.)

    I can only imagine how he'd be remembered if he'd been given the care that Daniel "No Personality" Craig has been shown.

    Hmm, that sounds all too familiar.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 11,189
    SMERSHed wrote:
    DAF is also one of my favorite Bond films. It's how the Moore era should have gone. It strikes all the right notes and Connery is fantastic.

    He's alright but I don't think his performance is THAT good in DAF. He gets some good lines that he delivers with ease but it's not a particularly big acting stretch for him. It doesn't help he's a porker in it either.

    I don't see James Bond in that film in the way I did when watching DN, FRWL GF, TB and even YOLT. I do see an ageing Sean Connery however.
  • Say what you will about Seanery's performance in DAF, but at the very least it kicks the crap out of his somnambulation in YOLT.
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    SMERSHed wrote:
    Brosnan had the potential to be the greatest Bond yet but he was saddled with some pretty poor scripts. (Which says something because he still an outstanding job with what he was given.)

    I can only imagine how he'd be remembered if he'd been given the care that Daniel "No Personality" Craig has been shown.

    Go away.
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    SMERSHed wrote:
    Brosnan had the potential to be the greatest Bond yet but he was saddled with some pretty poor scripts. (Which says something because he still an outstanding job with what he was given.)

    I can only imagine how he'd be remembered if he'd been given the care that Daniel "No Personality" Craig has been shown.

    A controversial opinion, but should have left out the personality bit as it turns the discussion away from your initial opinion. People will no longer care simply because of that.

  • SMERSHed wrote:
    Brosnan had the potential to be the greatest Bond yet but he was saddled with some pretty poor scripts. (Which says something because he still an outstanding job with what he was given.)

    I can only imagine how he'd be remembered if he'd been given the care that Daniel "No Personality" Craig has been shown.

    Go away.

    You can't tell somebody to go away just because they don't like Daniel Craig. If @SMERSHed proves himself to be a troll, then we'll have a problem, but it's not heresy to dislike Craig.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    SMERSHed wrote:
    Brosnan had the potential to be the greatest Bond yet but he was saddled with some pretty poor scripts. (Which says something because he still an outstanding job with what he was given.)

    I can only imagine how he'd be remembered if he'd been given the care that Daniel "No Personality" Craig has been shown.

    Go away.

    You can't tell somebody to go away just because they don't like Daniel Craig. If @SMERSHed proves himself to be a troll, then we'll have a problem, but it's not heresy to dislike Craig.

    Actually, I heard of a guy who got excommunicated for it.
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    SMERSHed wrote:
    Brosnan had the potential to be the greatest Bond yet but he was saddled with some pretty poor scripts. (Which says something because he still an outstanding job with what he was given.)

    I can only imagine how he'd be remembered if he'd been given the care that Daniel "No Personality" Craig has been shown.

    Go away.

    You can't tell somebody to go away just because they don't like Daniel Craig. If @SMERSHed proves himself to be a troll, then we'll have a problem, but it's not heresy to dislike Craig.

    Actually, I heard of a guy who got excommunicated for it.

    I heard that Pope Francis takes a liberal stance on heritical remarks. ;)

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    fjdinardo wrote:
    Heres one. Thunderball is better than From Russia with Love
    Not controversial to me; I like TB better than FRWL. But I'd pick FRWL as the higher quality motion picture.
  • Not trying to troll. I'm just sick of people thinking Craig is amazing because he glares and taks himself so seriously. That is not what makes a good Bond.
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    SMERSHed wrote:
    Not trying to troll. I'm just sick of people thinking Craig is amazing because he glares and taks himself so seriously. That is not what makes a good Bond.

    That is fine, but when you want to say something about Brosnan do not sh%t on another Bond performer in exchange. It takes the discussion away from what you actually wanted to say.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    SMERSHed wrote:
    Not trying to troll. I'm just sick of people thinking Craig is amazing because he glares and taks himself so seriously. That is not what makes a good Bond.

    Considering the character was in his conception a very serious, almost melancholic figure, it's no wonder Dan is revered. To me, that is one of the most essential things in creating a good Bond, and why I am such a big fan of the films Dan's era have delivered to us.
  • SMERSHed wrote:
    Not trying to troll. I'm just sick of people thinking Craig is amazing because he glares and taks himself so seriously. That is not what makes a good Bond.

    Considering the character was in his conception a very serious, almost melancholic figure, it's no wonder Dan is revered. To me, that is one of the most essential things in creating a good Bond, and why I am such a big fan of the films Dan's era have delivered to us.

    I get that Craig is trying to play Bond the way that Fleming wrote him. Obviously a lot of people really enjoy that. For me the same qualities that make a literary character great does not make a cinematic character great. If I want Fleming's Bond, I'll read the books. Not trying to troll. Just expressing a "controversial opinion."
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    SMERSHed wrote:
    SMERSHed wrote:
    Not trying to troll. I'm just sick of people thinking Craig is amazing because he glares and taks himself so seriously. That is not what makes a good Bond.

    Considering the character was in his conception a very serious, almost melancholic figure, it's no wonder Dan is revered. To me, that is one of the most essential things in creating a good Bond, and why I am such a big fan of the films Dan's era have delivered to us.

    I get that Craig is trying to play Bond the way that Fleming wrote him. Obviously a lot of people really enjoy that. For me the same qualities that make a literary character great does not make a cinematic character great. If I want Fleming's Bond, I'll read the books. Not trying to troll. Just expressing a "controversial opinion."

    So he's not your cup of tea, but why does that mean you have to completely slag the man off?
  • I shouldn't have gone after Craig as strong as I did. It's frustrating because I see Craig receiving so much love from the fans when I feel like Brosnan could have received that kind of love/critical acclaim, if he'd been given better scripts.
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    chrisisall wrote:
    fjdinardo wrote:
    Heres one. Thunderball is better than From Russia with Love
    Not controversial to me; I like TB better than FRWL. But I'd pick FRWL as the higher quality motion picture.

    There is a difference between liking and finding something superior. TB is my favourite Bond, but I consider FRWL to be the best Bond.

    I might have said it before here, I know I said it before in other places, but I find TB superior to GF in many, many ways. Not that GF is bad, but I consider TB the better film.

    Oh and here is one controversial opinion: in TSWLM, Jaws is the main villain. A henchman, but the main villain nevertheless.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 11,189
    @SMERSHed

    I like to defend Brosnan but Craig is the stronger actor of the two. Craig also has a physical edge that Broz didn't have.

    Like you for a LONG time I preferred Broz over Craig. Then I rewatched CR and that changed my mind. I still enjoy Broz though.
  • Ludovico wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    fjdinardo wrote:
    Heres one. Thunderball is better than From Russia with Love
    Not controversial to me; I like TB better than FRWL. But I'd pick FRWL as the higher quality motion picture.

    There is a difference between liking and finding something superior. TB is my favourite Bond, but I consider FRWL to be the best Bond.

    I might have said it before here, I know I said it before in other places, but I find TB superior to GF in many, many ways. Not that GF is bad, but I consider TB the better film.

    Oh and here is one controversial opinion: in TSWLM, Jaws is the main villain. A henchman, but the main villain nevertheless.

    Bond spends more time fitting him than he does Stromberg, yes, but it's Stromberg's plot, and Bond vs. Stromberg would hardly rival Bond vs. Grant.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 12,837
    @BAIN123 Craig is a better actor but it doesn't make him a better Bond. Depends what type of Bond you prefer.

    I think Craig is a brilliant actor that we're very lucky to have (I was a fan of his before Bond), and he's bought a lot of depth to the character. I like his dry humour and I liked how tough and brutal he was in his first two films. He's also probably the closest to the books (he has a sense of vulnerability that Dalton, as much as I love him, didn't have as much).

    But personally I prefer Brosnan's Bond, the cool, suave, charming flashy action hero. Nothing against Craig, I just enjoy watching Brosnan more.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 11,189
    I think we're again confusing what we "like" and what is "better".

    I like Brosnan (and Moore for that matter) but I've concluded - objectively - that Craig is "better" than both for the reasons you give above.

    Brosnan is entertaining though and, as I grew up with him and he brought me into the Bond universe, I'll always have a little bit of love for him - even if a lot of the Bond community no longer does.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 12,837
    No because it depends on which type of Bond you think is better.

    Acting ability you can judge objectively. You can like one actor better than another while recognising that the other bloke is a better actor. Films you can judge objectively. You might enjoy (extreme example, far from my own opinion) DAD more than FRWL while recognising that objectively FRWL is a much better film.

    But what kind of Bond you prefer is completely subjective. You can't really say that one version of the character is objectively better. Which Bond you think is best all comes down to personal preference. It all depends on how you see the character and if you prefer Fleming's version or the cinematic one.
  • @thelivingroyale I agree. It's obvious that a lot of people enjoy Craig but it's not a cinematic interpretation of Bond that I enjoy. There's no definitive standard to say which is better. We can say a film is better based on certain elements but no so much with an interpretation of a character.

    @BAIN123 Good to hear from Brosnan fans!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    SMERSHed wrote:
    I shouldn't have gone after Craig as strong as I did. It's frustrating because I see Craig receiving so much love from the fans when I feel like Brosnan could have received that kind of love/critical acclaim, if he'd been given better scripts.

    What are you talking about? Brosnan bar Connery got more love than any other Bond actor and the man is today still adored by millions. You forget that we Bond fans who populate the forums are a minority of Bond's global fan base.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    You'd even want Tamahori back?
    You'd be okay with Tamahori? The man who thought the codename theory should be made canon, and who greenlighted the invisible car, the references to the first nineteen Bond movies, and every line out Jinx's mouth (not mention several from Graves, Moneypenny, and even Bond himself)?

    I forgot about Tamahori! well, I wouldn't him back either! :)
  • doubleoego wrote:
    SMERSHed wrote:
    I shouldn't have gone after Craig as strong as I did. It's frustrating because I see Craig receiving so much love from the fans when I feel like Brosnan could have received that kind of love/critical acclaim, if he'd been given better scripts.

    What are you talking about? Brosnan bar Connery got more love than any other Bond actor and the man is today still adored by millions. You forget that we Bond fans who populate the forums are a minority of Bond's global fan base.

    Agreed. I am speaking about the very vocal Craig-centric part of this fandom. I'm really speaking to the critical reception the Craig movies have received. I admit that they are really well made films but so were other critically ignored Bond films.

    My whole original point was that had Brosnan received the quality scripts that Craig has, then he would be remembered more fondly by the fans and critics. Unfortunately, Brosnan was Bond at a time when the franchise was somewhat directionless.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 3,236
    doubleoego wrote:
    SMERSHed wrote:
    I shouldn't have gone after Craig as strong as I did. It's frustrating because I see Craig receiving so much love from the fans when I feel like Brosnan could have received that kind of love/critical acclaim, if he'd been given better scripts.

    What are you talking about? Brosnan bar Connery got more love than any other Bond actor and the man is today still adored by millions. You forget that we Bond fans who populate the forums are a minority of Bond's global fan base.

    I think Craig is giving him a run for his money in terms of popular appeal, if he hasn't already surpassed him. Skyfall is, of course, the highest-grossing Bond movie of all time, and elements of Casino Royale and Skyfall (the parkour chase, the knotted rope scene, Silva's introduction) look primed to permanently enter the public's perception of Bond. He's definitely surpassed Brosnan in critical reception and fan enthusiasm. I say this as an avowed fan of both Brosnan and Craig.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I think Craig is giving him a run for his money in terms of popular appeal, if he hasn't already surpassed him.
    Craig IS Bond for this generation; Connery & even Brosnan are like West's & Keaton's Batman at this point. Only SEVERE film peeps and older fans (like me) carry the torches IMO.
    :)>-
  • chrisisall wrote:
    I think Craig is giving him a run for his money in terms of popular appeal, if he hasn't already surpassed him.
    Craig IS Bond for this generation; Connery & even Brosnan are like West's & Keaton's Batman at this point. Only SEVERE film peeps and older fans (like me) carry the torches IMO.
    :)>-

    Connery won't ever end up like them. He'll be the definitive Bond forevermore.
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