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On Her Majesty's Secret Service- Very overrated?

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  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I've never read any of the novels back to back but have indeed browsed through some given the opportunity but no less a Bond enthusiast. Yes there has been more talk about Bond books lately, and if you haven't read them entirely it can feel a bit alienating sometimes when others go on about their Bond book expertise and you sit there thinking 'wish I had read them as well, what can I add to this maybe' etc, but bottom line is, some members will be more Bond movies than Bond novels, and concentrate mainly on the film releases, and then there, is the time to join in with discussions. I'm in that camp maybe along with some others
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    It is the coolest thing ever! Interestingly enough, it's not what turned me into a Bond fan, I just love it a lot. My Bond-turning experience was with 007 Nightfire, aka the world's greatest game of all time!

    I think this just about sums up the level of debate we have been dragged into. Not even the greatest Bond game of all time FFS.

    Is there any possibility of setting up some sort of online Bond competency test to allow people access to the forums?

    Question 1 - Have you ever read an Ian Fleming Bond novel?
    Yes - welcome friend and lets discuss all things Bondian.
    No - Then jog on. I'm sure theres plenty of Transformers forums you would be welcome on. This is a Bond forum for Bond people. Theres nothing for you here.

    What's your hang-up, pal? I just said that Nightfire was my favorite game of all time, are you going to disban me from the forum because I stated an opinion? Goodness, I thought that's what we were allowed to do here. No, I haven't ever read a full Fleming novel, but I'm in the midst of the Moonraker novel right now, since you brought it up. I tell you what should be the question for "competency", and that is, can you engage in a discussion without cutting down others rudely because your view does not match theirs? If yes, then welcome aboard. If no, please practice being cordial and showing a sense of decency about your speech before becoming a member. I really don't like having to do this, but I'm just tired of you ranting on me because I either love Nightfire or dislike OHMSS. Please, can we just keep this discussion mid-range instead of heated? I'm not trying to hurt you or make you feel bad, believe me, that's the last thing I'd want to happen. In fact, I'd like to be friendly with you and have a great chat about Bond stuff, but I don't think that can happen if one of us is shooting down the other when he didn't attack you, nor ever wanted to. Please, let's just cease fire, all right?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    It is the coolest thing ever! Interestingly enough, it's not what turned me into a Bond fan, I just love it a lot. My Bond-turning experience was with 007 Nightfire, aka the world's greatest game of all time!

    I think this just about sums up the level of debate we have been dragged into. Not even the greatest Bond game of all time FFS.

    Is there any possibility of setting up some sort of online Bond competency test to allow people access to the forums?

    Question 1 - Have you ever read an Ian Fleming Bond novel?
    Yes - welcome friend and lets discuss all things Bondian.
    No - Then jog on. I'm sure theres plenty of Transformers forums you would be welcome on. This is a Bond forum for Bond people. Theres nothing for you here.

    @TheWizardOfIce, I think you are a worthy Bond fan, we share many of the same opinions, and we stand steadfast against select "mad" members on this forum, but this is taking it too far. @00Beast simply said he became a Bond fan from Nightfire. Why make a big deal out of that and then decree that those who aren't wised in the Bond novels don't belong?? This is a place for Bond fans of any liking, of any Bond related media. Whether it is the novels, films, or games that strike your liking, come one, come all. Let's be civil in that regard.
  • RC7RC7
    edited March 2012 Posts: 10,512
    Don't want to take sides here. However, I do think if you're a Bond fan and haven't read Fleming you need to have a word with yourself. I mean, you can probably pick up a second hand copy for about 50p.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    RC7 wrote:
    Don't want to take sides here. However, I do think if you're a Bond fan and haven't read Fleming you need to have a word with yourself. I mean, you can probably pick up a second hand copy for about 50p.
    Then don't contradict yourself.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Don't want to take sides here. However, I do think if you're a Bond fan and haven't read Fleming you need to have a word with yourself. I mean, you can probably pick up a second hand copy for about 50p.
    Then don't contradict yourself.

    You disagree with me then, Bondfanatic?

  • 00Beast00Beast
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Don't want to take sides here. However, I do think if you're a Bond fan and haven't read Fleming you need to have a word with yourself. I mean, you can probably pick up a second hand copy for about 50p.
    Then don't contradict yourself.
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    It is the coolest thing ever! Interestingly enough, it's not what turned me into a Bond fan, I just love it a lot. My Bond-turning experience was with 007 Nightfire, aka the world's greatest game of all time!

    I think this just about sums up the level of debate we have been dragged into. Not even the greatest Bond game of all time FFS.

    Is there any possibility of setting up some sort of online Bond competency test to allow people access to the forums?

    Question 1 - Have you ever read an Ian Fleming Bond novel?
    Yes - welcome friend and lets discuss all things Bondian.
    No - Then jog on. I'm sure theres plenty of Transformers forums you would be welcome on. This is a Bond forum for Bond people. Theres nothing for you here.

    @TheWizardOfIce, I think you are a worthy Bond fan, we share many of the same opinions, and we stand steadfast against select "mad" members on this forum, but this is taking it too far. @00Beast simply said he became a Bond fan from Nightfire. Why make a big deal out of that and then decree that those who aren't wised in the Bond novels don't belong?? This is a place for Bond fans of any liking, of any Bond related media. Whether it is the novels, films, or games that strike your liking, come one, come all. Let's be civil in that regard.

    Thanks for the back-up Brady! You're a good man!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    I sometimes feel apprehensive, if that is the operative word, whenever I see talk about Bond novels as I simply haven't indulged in them as much as I should, but as stated before, MI6 is a forum for all Bond fans regardless if you favor the books or films, or a bit of a both even
  • RC7RC7
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    @00Beast thanks for jumping to conclusions. I think it's great you're into Bond, whether it's through Nightfire or not. What I'm saying is that it's not difficult to obtain and read a Fleming novel. As a Bond fan I think you will find that your appreciation for the films and fandom in general will multiply tenfold once you have read even one book. In my personal view it's your duty as a Bond fan to do so.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    I sometimes feel apprehensive, if that is the operative word, whenever I see talk about Bond novels as I simply haven't indulged in them as much as I should, but as stated before, MI6 is a forum for all Bond fans regardless if you favor the books or films, or a bit of a both even

    Exactly. A Bond fan is a Bond fan, with little knowledge of the novels or none at all. The main thing is that you've seen some of the movies, and then again, even if you've only played the games or anything like that, I'd still let you in, because there's always room for "improvement", you might say. I don't think anyone should feel like their unwanted here, that's simply very rude and cruel to want to shove people out. Now, I speak of this from a Christian stand-point, but even then, it's also a moral thing here that even non-religious people should understand as well. Sorry if I sound really up-tight, I just can't stand it when this kind of thing happens.
    RC7 wrote:
    @00Beast thanks for jumping to conclusions. I think it's great you're into Bond, whether it's through Nightfire or not. What I'm saying is that it's not difficult to obtain and read a Fleming novel. As a Bond fan I think you will find that your appreciation for the films and fandom in general will multiply tenfold once you have read even one book. In my personal view it's your duty as a Bond fan to do so.

    I'm sorry if I offended you, that's not at all what I was going for, please forgive me if it came across as such, and thank you for the advice about the novels. I am in the midst of Moonraker right now, I found it over the summer for a cheap price, and I've been reading it off and on.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    00Beast wrote:
    I'm sorry if I offended you, that's not at all what I was going for, please forgive me if it came across as such, and thank you for the advice about the novels. I am in the midst of Moonraker right now, I found it over the summer for a cheap price, and I've been reading it off and on.

    No offence taken, hope you're enjoying Moonraker, stick with it, it's superb!

  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    I'm sorry if I offended you, that's not at all what I was going for, please forgive me if it came across as such, and thank you for the advice about the novels. I am in the midst of Moonraker right now, I found it over the summer for a cheap price, and I've been reading it off and on.

    No offence taken, hope you're enjoying Moonraker, stick with it, it's superb!

    Yeah, I've been enjoying it thus far! MR the movie is great as is, but I think a version closer to the novel might have also been just as successful, if not even more.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    00Beast wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    I'm sorry if I offended you, that's not at all what I was going for, please forgive me if it came across as such, and thank you for the advice about the novels. I am in the midst of Moonraker right now, I found it over the summer for a cheap price, and I've been reading it off and on.

    No offence taken, hope you're enjoying Moonraker, stick with it, it's superb!

    Yeah, I've been enjoying it thus far! MR the movie is great as is, but I think a version closer to the novel might have also been just as successful, if not even more.

    I agree. However I kind of love the fact we have two different versions. Novel and Film. Both of which I enjoy equally. Long live Rog.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Hahaha, agreed my good man! With 7 Bonds to his name, crown him the king! Haha.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I don't like it sometimes when people (not here) always insist that Connery did as many Bond films as Moore, which simply isn't the case, as Never Say Never Again simply isn't a James Bond movie, not official anyway

    It's Moore with the seven, 1973,74,77,79,81,83,85

    Connery with the six 1962,63,64,65,67,71

    So therefore Moore is simply the longest most substantial, official James Bond actor

    There has been talk that maybe one day Craig may be able to beat this, but it seems very doubtful. In fact I don't think it will ever be surpassed again

  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    I don't like it sometimes when people (not here) always insist that Connery did as many Bond films as Moore, which simply isn't the case, as Never Say Never Again simply isn't a James Bond movie, not official anyway

    It's Moore with the seven, 1973,74,77,79,81,83,85

    Connery with the six 1962,63,64,65,67,71

    So therefore Moore is simply the longest most substantial, official James Bond actor

    There has been talk that maybe one day Craig may be able to beat this, but it seems very doubtful. In fact I don't think it will ever be surpassed again

    Agreed, I don't think that anyone will pass seven. In fact, I think any actor to take on the role of 007 from here on out will be lucky to make it to five or six. It's just the determination, will, and "stamina" you might say, that I believe is lacking today.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    They can't argue about the salary though. Craig will be picking up a cool £ 8,000,000 for his Third Bond appearance. That's over two and half times the amount he received for Casino Royale.

    I think some actors today get paid nonsense amounts of money for some work they do :-<
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    They can't argue about the salary though. Craig will be picking up a cool £ 8,000,000 for his Third Bond appearance. That's over two and half times the amount he received for Casino Royale.

    I think some actors today get paid nonsense amounts of money for some work they do :-<

    Dan isn't the kind of actor to care for the money of the job. He prides himself on trying new things (roles), and challenging himself as an actor. Which is sadly why I don't think we'll get past 5 from him, 6 if we are REALLY lucky. One hopes. [-O<
  • rocketgun83rocketgun83
    Posts: 36
    I've actually met Lazenby twice at a couple of conventions in Los Angeles. If there was ever a Bond you didn't want to get on the wrong side of in a fight...Even at 70 he looks like he can still kick my ass. And I've been studying martial arts consistently for the past ten years. Point is, I thought he was quite a great Bond.
    I love just about everything about OHMSS. I try not to watch it too often (maybe every four years) as I don't want it ever to get old. It's my third favorite Bond, after FRWL and TB. Not overrated at all.
    How 'bout TSWLM. Now THERE'S an overrated Bond film. But I guess that's a topic for another thread...
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    @rocketgun83: I could see where you would go on that TSWLM thing, but I think it also deserves the fame it has. It's got one of Roger's slickest, dead-on performances, outstanding locations, explosive action, a great score, and it's just an all-around golden classic.
  • Crab_Of_DoomCrab_Of_Doom
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    I think OHMSS is overrated as hell. It's boring to watch and the love story is horrible! We need a villain who wants to destroy the world, i.e. a megalomaniac. A real popcorn movie without a crappy love story. I want Bond to be cool, like Moore and Brosnan. It's one of the worst Bond movies ever. What were they thinking?
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    Crab_Of_Doom wrote:
    I think OHMSS is overrated as hell. It's boring to watch and the love story is horrible! We need a villain who wants to destroy the world, i.e. a megalomaniac. A real popcorn movie without a crappy love story. I want Bond to be cool, like Moore and Brosnan. It's one of the worst Bond movies ever. What were they thinking?

    Indeed. This is my twin brother gentlemen. He is gonna help me to convince you what Bond is about.

  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Crab_Of_Doom wrote:
    I think OHMSS is overrated as hell. It's boring to watch and the love story is horrible! We need a villain who wants to destroy the world, i.e. a megalomaniac. A real popcorn movie without a crappy love story. I want Bond to be cool, like Moore and Brosnan. It's one of the worst Bond movies ever. What were they thinking?

    You and I are going to be very good friends! Moore and Brosnan are my two favorites, and I dislike OHMSS as well! I salute you, sir!

  • Crab_Of_DoomCrab_Of_Doom
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    Hello. I salute you too! You seem to be a smart guy.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Crab_Of_Doom wrote:
    Hello. I salute you too! You seem to be a smart guy.

    Haha, thank you! Out of curiosity, what's your favorite Bond movie?
  • Crab_Of_DoomCrab_Of_Doom
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    It's probably AVTAK or TMWTGG.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Crab_Of_Doom wrote:
    It's probably AVTAK or TMWTGG.

    AVTAK is a good one! And old favorite of mine and a top ten worthy Bond movie for sure! TMWTGG is middle of the road with me, just depends on how and when I watch it, that kind of thing. GoldenEye is my #1 favorite!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Crab_Of_Doom wrote:
    I think OHMSS is overrated as hell. It's boring to watch and the love story is horrible! We need a villain who wants to destroy the world, i.e. a megalomaniac. A real popcorn movie without a crappy love story. I want Bond to be cool, like Moore and Brosnan. It's one of the worst Bond movies ever. What were they thinking?

    Indeed. This is my twin brother gentlemen. He is gonna help me to convince you what Bond is about.
    From what I've seen of you so far, you don't know jack. Pick up a book.

    *DISCLAIMER*
    IT'S MY OPINION TOO!
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Crab_Of_Doom wrote:
    I think OHMSS is overrated as hell. It's boring to watch and the love story is horrible! We need a villain who wants to destroy the world, i.e. a megalomaniac. A real popcorn movie without a crappy love story. I want Bond to be cool, like Moore and Brosnan. It's one of the worst Bond movies ever. What were they thinking?

    Indeed. This is my twin brother gentlemen. He is gonna help me to convince you what Bond is about.
    From what I've seen of you so far, you don't know jack. Pick up a book.

    *DISCLAIMER*
    IT'S MY OPINION TOO!

    I´m afraid I´m not much of a book reader. But the movies are enough for anyone.

  • Crab_Of_DoomCrab_Of_Doom
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    00Beast wrote:
    Crab_Of_Doom wrote:
    It's probably AVTAK or TMWTGG.

    AVTAK is a good one! And old favorite of mine and a top ten worthy Bond movie for sure! TMWTGG is middle of the road with me, just depends on how and when I watch it, that kind of thing. GoldenEye is my #1 favorite!

    Ok. I think GE is okay. I loved it the first time I watched it (in 1999, the first Bond movie i ever watched). Thought it was the best ever, especially the action scenes in the facility.
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