Skyfall: Billion Dollar Bond

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Also, this is not a 3D film, like nearly everything else today.

    And it's not overtly marketed for the teenage crowds.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I remember this from long ago:

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    How nice would a 'Billion Dollar Bond' one look, now? Brosnan was given that title after three films, yet now, we've got it in one!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Well, so far Craig's three films have made over 2 billion dollars worldwide, not counting in DVD sales. He's our new Connery. ;-)
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 277
    htall90 wrote:
    We can never really say it beat Thunderball because Thunderball had far less international markets then Skyfall.
    But TB had the luxury of no internet download threats, DVD releases, etc. which makes SF even more of a triumph.


    That too.
    But does it make up for all of eastern europe and russia at least 300 million people now being able to see it? As well as the world population has shot up massively since 1965. Also inflation adjusted are not accurate as hollywood only has proper figures for american during the 60s all the different changes in currency rates across the world are to hard to trace. So the billion odd dollars being mention for Thunderball is very inaccurate. Still a huge achievement for Skyfall no doubt.
  • MrBond wrote:
    The problem is, just like with QoS and with TDKR. The audience, and we fans will probably have rocket-high anticipation for Bond24. Which can be both good or bad.

    I'm fine with it if Bond 24 isn't as good as Skyfall. I didn't think Goldeneye was as good as Licence To Kill but I still really liked it, I didn't think TND was as good as Goldeneye but I enjoyed that one too.

    The Bond series has been going on for ages and you can't expect the films to keep getting better every time. I think as long as they make a good film, most people will be happy even if it's not as good as Skyfall.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    MrBond wrote:
    The problem is, just like with QoS and with TDKR. The audience, and we fans will probably have rocket-high anticipation for Bond24. Which can be both good or bad.

    I'm fine with it if Bond 24 isn't as good as Skyfall. I didn't think Goldeneye was as good as Licence To Kill but I still really liked it, I didn't think TND was as good as Goldeneye but I enjoyed that one too.

    The Bond series has been going on for ages and you can't expect the films to keep getting better every time. I think as long as they make a good film, most people will be happy even if it's not as good as Skyfall.

    Good points. I am a Bond fan, for life. I am here for the duration. It has been a lovely ride so far, with ups and downs for sure. But overall, I am so pleased with the way things are going now. I expect Bond 24 to be different, don't see how it could possibly be as huge as Skyfall, and I am fine with that. Hope it's really good, of course. But I am not one to say the next one has to top the last one.
  • Posts: 3,327
    htall90 wrote:
    htall90 wrote:
    We can never really say it beat Thunderball because Thunderball had far less international markets then Skyfall.
    But TB had the luxury of no internet download threats, DVD releases, etc. which makes SF even more of a triumph.


    That too.
    But does it make up for all of eastern europe and russia at least 300 million people now being able to see it? As well as the world population has shot up massively since 1965. Also inflation adjusted are not accurate as hollywood only has proper figures for american during the 60s all the different changes in currency rates across the world are to hard to trace. So the billion odd dollars being mention for Thunderball is very inaccurate. Still a huge achievement for Skyfall no doubt.
    You can only go by what data is available, and even after taking into account all other factors, SF is as you say, still a huge achievement.

    It's fair to say, in a few weeks time, SF will be the most successful Bond film of all time.

  • Posts: 277
    htall90 wrote:
    htall90 wrote:
    We can never really say it beat Thunderball because Thunderball had far less international markets then Skyfall.
    But TB had the luxury of no internet download threats, DVD releases, etc. which makes SF even more of a triumph.


    That too.
    But does it make up for all of eastern europe and russia at least 300 million people now being able to see it? As well as the world population has shot up massively since 1965. Also inflation adjusted are not accurate as hollywood only has proper figures for american during the 60s all the different changes in currency rates across the world are to hard to trace. So the billion odd dollars being mention for Thunderball is very inaccurate. Still a huge achievement for Skyfall no doubt.
    You can only go by what data is available, and even after taking into account all other factors, SF is as you say, still a huge achievement.

    It's fair to say, in a few weeks time, SF will be the most successful Bond film of all time.

    That is true pity in a way Avengers came out this year otherwise it would be the highest grossing film of the year. Looks like it may beat TDKR.
  • Posts: 421
    Wow... I wasn't expecting such a large jump! $952m to $974m, that's brilliant.

    Unless China ia a real disappointment, then we must be looking at the $1bn dollar Bond, surely?
  • Posts: 12,526
    If it has an amazing Christmas period around the world? And with China to come? Maybe Thunderball will be beaten? It is gonna be fun to see?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited December 2012 Posts: 13,355
    Thunderball will be beaten. It's just a question of beating The Dark Knight Rises now. Also, we can't not get to $1 billion. Skyfall is making too much money for that to happen.
  • Posts: 367
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I remember this from long ago:

    dvd_casino_royale_us2.jpg

    How nice would a 'Billion Dollar Bond' one look, now? Brosnan was given that title after three films, yet now, we've got it in one!

    Skyfall has made CR / QoS box office look small-time! 6 and 4 years later and a $500 million rise. Skyfall is the biggest bond of all.
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 229
    Skyfall is now the most successful James Bond movie in France with : 6 682 000 tickets sold. Goldfinger has been beaten. :O
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I wonder if this film has been the total admissions of Thunderball, if not, I bet it's close.
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 11,119
    Another update of the 'Spy/Action Movies-list'. As of December 24th 2012, 'Skyfall' seems to be on the road towards the $1 Billion worldwide. But the box office figures are slowing down now. Which is not a surprise given the fact that many new movies have premiered in the past 7 days, including 'Jack Reacher' and 'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey'.

    The latter one is succesful, though with inflation correction in place over the previous LOTR-films, 'The Hobbit' is certainly not that succesful. And the movie might already be in trouble catching the worldwide box office figures of 'The Avengers', 'The Dark Knight Rises' and 'Skyfall'.

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    'Skyfall' is now $107 million short of catching the worldwide figures of 'The Dark Knight Rises'. Expect 'Skyfall' to receive a small boost between Christmas Eve and New Years Eve. At this moment it looks like the 7th week of 'Skyfall' in the US is becoming more succesful than the 7th week of 'Inception' in the US.

    Considering Christmas and New Years Eve, 'Skyfall' might add up another $7 million to its US totals until Dcember 31st. Another $10 million in the foreign markets until December 31st will put 'Skyfall' over the $990 million mark, though $1 billion before the 31st might be a bit difficult.

    Still, the market in China will do wonders to 'Skyfall'. Both 'Skyfall' and 'The Dark Knight Rises' might end up with the same worldwide totals. It'll be exciting to see if 'The Dark Knight Rises' will stay the 2nd most succesful film of 2012 or if 'Skyfall' narrowly takes over that fantastic 2nd spot.

    Note for the reader: Take in mind that for, more or less, accurate comparisons, most of the below action/spy movies are produced in 1987 or later. Actually, most of them were produced after the 1990's.

    Furthermore, I have updated the list in such a way now, so that you can also use it as a 'watchlist'. Movies with a '▪' are part of a spy/actionhero movie franchise. Movies with a '▫' are rebooted movies or remakes. Movies with a '∞' are based on previous tv-series.

    *UPDATED SUNDAY DECEMBER 24TH 2012*:

    001) $1,081,041,287 -- 'Batman 8: The Dark Knight Rises' (2012) IMDB: 8.8
    domestic (US) gross: $448,139,099 - 41.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $632,902,188 - 58.5%


    002) $1,003,045,358 -- 'Batman 7: The Dark Knight' (2008) IMDB: 9.0 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $534,858,444 - 53.2%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,700,000 - 46.8%

    003) $974,272,000 -- 'JAMES BOND 23: SKYFALL' (2012, AFTER 60 DAYS IN CINEMAS) IMDB: 8.0 ▪
    DOMESTIC (US) GROSS: $279,972,000 - 28.7%
    FOREIGN (REST) GROSS: $694,300,000 - 71.3%


    004) $825,532,764 -- 'Inception' (2010) IMDB: 8.8
    domestic (US) gross: $292,576,195 - 35.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $532,956,569 - 64.6%

    005) $786,636,033 -- 'Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull' (2008) IMDB: 6.4 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $317,101,119 - 40.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,534,914 - 59.7%

    006) $694,713,380 -- 'Mission: Impossible 4 - Ghost Protocol' (2011) IMDB: 7.4 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $209,397,903 - 30.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $485,315,477 - 69.9%

    007) $624,386,746 -- 'Hancock' (2008) IMDB: 6.5
    domestic (US) gross: $227,946,274 - 36.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $396,440,472 - 63.5%

    008) $599,045,960 -- 'James Bond 21: Casino Royale' (2006) IMDB: 7.9 ▪ ▫ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $167,445,960 - 28.0%
    foreign (rest) gross: $431,600,000 - 72.0%


    009) $586,090,727 -- 'James Bond 22: Quantum Of Solace' (2008) IMDB: 6.7 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $168,368,427 - 28.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $417,722,300 - 71.3%


    010) $546,388,105 -- 'Mission: Impossible 2' (2000) IMDB: 5.9 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $215,409,889 - 39.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $330,978,216 - 60.6%


    011) $543,848,418 -- 'Sherlock Holmes 2: A Game Of Shadows' (2011) IMDB: 7.6 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $186,848,418 - 34.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $357,000,000 - 65.6%
    012) $524,028,679 -- 'Sherlock Holmes 1' (2009) IMDB: 7.5 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $209,028,679 - 39.9%
    foreign (rest) gross: $315,000,000 - 60.1%
    013) $478,207,520 -- 'Mr. And Mrs. Smith' (2005) IMDB: 6.4 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $186,336,279 - 39.0%
    foreign (rest) gross: $291,871,241 - 61.0%
    014) $474,171,806 -- 'Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade' (1989) IMDB: 8.3 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $197,171,806 - 41.6%
    foreign (rest) gross: $277,000,000 - 58.4%
    015) $457,696,359 -- 'Mission: Impossible' (1996) IMDB: 7.0 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $180,981,856 - 39.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $276,714,503 - 60.5%
    016) $450,717,150 -- 'Ocean's Eleven' (2001) IMDB: 7.7 ▪ ▫
    domestic (US) gross: $183,417,150 - 40.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $267,300,000 - 59.3%
    017) $442,824,138 -- 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (2007) IMDB: 8.1 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $227,471,070 - 51.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $215,353,068 - 48.6%
    018) $431,971,116 -- 'James Bond 20: Die Another Day' (2002) IMDB: 6.0 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $160,942,139 - 37.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $271,028,977 - 62.7%

    019) $411,348,924 -- 'Batman 1' (1989) IMDB: 7.6 ▪ ▫ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $251,188,924 - 61.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $160,160,000 - 38.9%
    020) $397,850,012 -- 'Mission: Impossible 3' (2006) IMDB: 6.8 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $134,029,801 - 33.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $263,820,211 - 66.3%
    021) $383,531,464 -- 'Die Hard 4: Live Free Or Die Hard' (2007) IMDB: 7.4 ▪
    022) $378,882,411 -- 'True Lies' (1994) IMDB: 7.2
    023) $372,710,015 -- 'Batman 6: Batman Begins' (2005) IMDB: 8.3 ▪ ▫
    024) $366,101,666 -- 'Die Hard 3: Die Hard With A Vengeance' (1995) IMDB: 7.3 ▪
    025) $365,100,898 -- 'Taken 2' (2012) IMDB: 6.6
    026) $362,744,280 -- 'Ocean's Twelve' (2004) IMDB: 6.2 ▪
    027) $361,832,400 -- 'James Bond 19: The World Is Not Enough' (1999) IMDB: 6.3
    028) $352,194,034 -- 'James Bond 17: GoldenEye' (1995) IMDB: 7.2
    029) $352,114,312 -- 'Catch Me If You Can' (2002) IMDB: 7.9
    030) $341,433,252 -- 'Wanted' (2008) IMDB: 6.7 ▪
    031) $333,011,068 -- 'James Bond 18: Tomorrow Never Dies' (1997) IMDB: 6.4
    032) $321,731,527 -- 'Lethal Weapon 3' (1992) IMDB: 6.6 ▪
    033) $311,312,624 -- 'Ocean's Thirteen' (2007) IMDB: 6.9 ▪
    034) $300,428,192 -- 'The Expandables 2' (2012) IMDB: 7.1
    035) $293,503,354 -- 'Salt' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    036) $288,500,217 -- 'The Bourne Supremacy' (2004) IMDB: 7.7 ▪
    037) $285,444,603 -- 'Lethal Weapon 4' (1998) IMDB: 6.5 ▪
    038) $278,346,189 -- 'The Tourist' (2010) IMDB: 5.9
    039) $277,448,382 -- 'xXx 1' (2002) IMDB: 5.7 ▪
    040) $276,144,750 -- 'The Bourne Legacy' (2012) IMDB: 6.9
    041) $274,470,394 -- 'The Expendables' (2010) IMDB: 6.5 ▪
    042) $264,105,545 -- 'Charlie's Angels 1' (2000) IMDB: 5.5 ▪ ∞
    043) $261,930,436 -- 'Knight And Day' (2010) IMDB: 6.3
    044) $255,000,211 -- 'Cliffhanger' (1993) IMDB: 6.3
    045) $259,175,788 -- 'Charlie's Angels 2: Full Throttle' (2003) IMDB: 4.7 ▪ ∞
    046) $240,031,094 -- 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder' (1990) IMDB: 7.1 ▪
    047) $230,685,453 -- 'Get Smart' (2007) IMDB: 6.6 ∞
    048) $227,853,986 -- 'Lethal Weapon 2' (1989) IMDB: 7.1 ▪
    049) $226,830,568 -- 'Taken' (2009) IMDB: 7.9 ▪
    050) $217,764,291 -- 'Collateral' (2004) IMDB: 7.6
    051) $215,887,717 -- 'Jack Ryan 3: Clear And Present Danger' (1994) IMDB: 6.8 ▪
    052) $214,034,224 -- 'The Bourne Identity' (2002) IMDB: 7.9 ▪ ▫
    053) $212,404,396 -- 'Entrapment' (1999) IMDB: 6.1
    054) $207,884,401 -- 'Safe House' (2012) IMDB 6.8
    055) $200,512,643 -- 'Jack Ryan 1: The Hunt For Red October' (1990) IMDB: 7.6 ▪
    056) $199,006,387 -- 'Red' (2010) IMDB: 7.0
    057) $193,921,372 -- 'Jack Ryan 4: The Sum Of All Fears' (2002) IMDB: 6.3 ▪
    058) $191,185,897 -- 'James Bond 15: The Living Daylights' (1987) IMDB: 6.7
    059) $178,051,587 -- 'Jack Ryan 2: Patriot Games' (1992) IMDB: 6.9 ▪
    060) $177,238,796 -- 'The A-Team' (2010) IMDB: 6.8 ▪ ∞
    061) $176,070,171 -- 'The Italian Job' (2003) IMDB: 6.9 ▪ ▫
    062) $170,268,750 -- 'Starsky And Hutch' (2004) IMDB: 6.0 ∞
    063) $160,930,000 -- 'Argo' (2012) IMDB: 8.3
    064) $159,330,280 -- 'The Jackal' (1997) IMDB: 6.1 ▫
    065) $156,491,279 -- 'This Means War' (2012) IMDB: 6.3
    066) $156,167,015 -- 'James Bond 16: Licence To Kill' (1989) IMDB: 6.5
    067) $143,049,560 -- 'Spy Game' (2001) IMDB: 6.9
    068) $140,767,956 -- 'Die Hard 1' (1988) IMDB: 8.3 ▪
    069) $130,786,397 -- 'Unknown' (2011) IMDB: 6.9
    070) $126,690,726 -- 'Law Abiding Citizen' (2009) IMDB: 7.3
    071) $124,305,181 -- 'The Thomas Crown Affair' (1999) IMDB: 6.7 ▫
    072) $120,207,127 -- 'Lethal Weapon 1' (1987) IMDB: 7.6 ▪
    073) $118,063,304 -- 'The Saint' (1997) IMDB: 6.0 ∞
    074) $115,097,286 -- 'Body Of Lies' (2008) IMDB: 7.1
    075) $104,391,623 -- 'The Tuxedo' (2002) IMDB: 5.0
    076) $101,191,884 -- 'The Recruit' (2003) IMDB: 6.5
    077) $099,965,792 -- 'Hitman' (2007) IMDB: 6.2
    078) $099,480,480 -- 'The Good Sheperd' (2007) IMDB: 6.8
    079) $098,159,963 -- 'Killers' (2010) IMDB: 5.2
    080) $096,105,964 -- 'The Manchurian Candidate' (2004) IMDB: 6.6 ▫
    081) $094,882,549 -- 'Green Zone' (2010) IMDB: 6.9
    082) $089,456,761 -- 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' (1996) IMDB: 6.7
    083) $085,416,905 -- 'Max Payne' (2008) IMDB: 5.7
    084) $082,087,155 -- 'Abduction' (2011) IMDB: 4.7
    085) $080,630,608 -- 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' (2011) IMDB: 7.1 ∞
    086) $071,022,693 -- 'xXx 2: State Of The Union' (2005) IMDB: 4.1 ▪
    087) $070,692,101 -- 'Ronin' (1998) IMDB: 7.2
    088) $067,876,281 -- 'The American' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    089) $065,977,295 -- 'Bad Company' (2002) IMDB: 5.4
    090) $060,965,854 -- 'Colombiana' (2011) IMDB: 6.2
    091) $060,222,298 -- 'The Ghost Writer' (2010) IMDB: 7.3
    092) $060,161,391 -- 'The International' (2009) IMDB: 6.5
    093) $056,308,881 -- 'Lucky Number Slevin' (2007) IMDB: 7.8
    094) $052,826,594 -- 'From Paris With Love' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    095) $051,070,807 -- 'The Mechanic' (2011) IMDB: 6.5
    096) $050,732,945 -- 'I Spy' (2002) IMDB: 5.3 ∞
    097) $42,632,000 -- 'Red Dawn' (2012) IMDB: 5.7
    098) $041,771,168 -- 'The Informant!' (2009) IMDB: 6.5
    099) $033,372,606 -- 'Haywire' (2012) IMDB: 5.9
    100) $028,008,462 -- 'The Tailor Of Panama' (2001) IMDB: 6.1
    101) $027,664,173 -- 'Traitor' (2008) IMDB: 7.0
    102) $027,038,732 -- 'Rendition' (2007) IMDB: 6.8
    103) $024,188,922 -- 'Fair Game' (2010) IMDB: 6.8
    104) $019,924,033 -- 'Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever' (2002) IMDB: 3.5
    105) $016,933,380 -- 'The Heir Apparent: Largo Winch' (2011) IMDB: 6.4
    106) $015,705,007 -- 'Enigma' (2001) IMDB: 6.4
    107) $008,112,712 -- 'Spartan' (2004) IMDB: 6.7
    108) $000,933,549 -- 'Michel Vaillant' (2003) IMDB: 5.0
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    I wonder if this film has been the total admissions of Thunderball, if not, I bet it's close.
    What ?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    maxcraig wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I wonder if this film has been the total admissions of Thunderball, if not, I bet it's close.
    What ?

    Basically he wants to know whether ticket sales for Skyfall have topped TB.
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 229
    maxcraig wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I wonder if this film has been the total admissions of Thunderball, if not, I bet it's close.
    What ?

    Basically he wants to know whether ticket sales for Skyfall have topped TB.
    FYI, in France it was Goldfinger that hold the record in terms of ticket sales, not TB. ;)
    Skyfall is now the most successful James Bond movie in France
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Replace 'been' with 'beaten' and I should make perfect sense now.
  • Posts: 229
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Replace 'been' with 'beaten' and I should make perfect sense now.
    I wrote Goldfinger has been beaten (by Skyfall). You suggest I should write Golfinger has beaten Skyfall ? doesn't make sense.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    maxcraig wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Replace 'been' with 'beaten' and I should make perfect sense now.
    I wrote Goldfinger has been beaten (by Skyfall). You suggest I should write Golfinger has beaten Skyfall ? doesn't make sense.

    He means that outside of France TB is the film with the most ticket sales, and he wonders is Skyfall has topped it in ticket admissions.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    I wrote:

    I wonder if this film has been the total admissions of Thunderball, if not, I bet it's close.

    I meant to write:

    I wonder if this film has beaten the total admissions of Thunderball, if not, I bet it's close.
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  • edited December 2012 Posts: 5,997
    Skyfall is now the most successful James Bond movie in France with : 6 682 000 tickets sold. Goldfinger has been beaten. :O

    Indeed: After nine week in theaters, Skyfall as a grand total of 6.700.791 tickets sold, beating Goldfinger's 6.675.000. And it's not over yet. It's also the most watched movie in France for 2012, beating the fourth Ice Age movie (6.580.000) and "Sur La Piste du Marsupilami" (5.3 millions)

    Source: http://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18619906.html
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    I'm still very curious to see Skyfall's Christmas Eve and Christmas Day grosses in the US, but Box Office Mojo STILL has not received studio estimates!!!!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Box Office Mojo has SF listed at $978 million now.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 2,015
    You can only go by what data is available,
    Well, the data is available : "simply" count Skyfall's $ where TB was released. A back of the enveloppe computation I did give me you should remove about 100M$ to Skyfall (and not count China at all in the future, so that would mean about 900M$ final for Skyfall if you really want to compare to GF and TB) . I'm afraid a more serious computation would be a headache though, and since I keep on saying such comparison are meaningless, I won't be the one having this headache ! :)

    On a sidenote : in the next 10 years, some experts claim that China will become a movie market larger than the US. Let's suppose also that China's currency continues to climb agains the $... Well, that may mean a few "standard" US blockbusters will have 150M$ there, and possibly 300M$ if they are successful. It may basically wipe out all the history of world wide/foreign box offices records. Somehow, I think then people will listen more to rational arguments to explain how difficult it is to actually compare over 10 years (and I'm not talking about over 50 years as people are doing now without hesitation !)...
    Gerard wrote:
    Skyfall is now the most successful James Bond movie in France with : 6 682 000 tickets sold

    Yes, the mix of the auteur (Mendes) and the franchise (Bond), may have created the biggest surprise here in France by gathering two different kind of audiences.

    I know I'm shouting in the desert but nevertheless I'll give at least a few hints for French readers here, in hope they realize we're not living Bondmania again though...

    - Between 1965 and 2012, the number of potential moviegoers (population 8yo and more), simply did +50% (from 40M in 1965 to 60M today). People will explain a lot how TV, DVD etc, means it makes movies less successful, but few will mention there's 20M more French since then :) 50 years is a very large period of time to do comparisons ! I think it's meaningless, but so many will do it with only one figure as a reference, that I'm giving all this context...
    - GF and TB somehow conflicted at the French box office, as GF was released about 6 months later than in UK and in the US in particular, while TB was released simultaneously. Another nice way to put it, is that if you look at the 1965 box office, GF and TB are number #2 and #3 of the year, and the total is more than 11M probably ! (I count 2M less to account for the re-releases that are put in these figures...)
    - You can also look at the neighbour, Germany, there Bondmania was even stronger than in France (about 11M viewers for GF, 12M for TB, and 7M for Skyfall), and here the change of the number of movigoers is even more radical !
    - Also, don't forget the figures no one wants to talk about here it seems, maybe because they're "too easy" to read : the ajusted US box office : TB 600 M$ / GF 520M$ / SF 300M$ (and here people will talk again about the DVDs usually :) ).
    - And, well, Bondmania was more than happening at the movie markets. It was a cultural phenomenom, it was actually bigger than the business it created. A random link for French readers to show that : Oddjob himself invited on his own to show his physical skills on French TV in a sport show. I think IMO it may be even more eye-opening than all these stats : at that time even the henchman on his own was worth being the subject of an invitation...

    http://www.ina.fr/sport/autres-sports/video/I11067436/le-catcheur-japonais-dick-togo-fait-une-demonstration-de-sa-force.fr.html



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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,266
    @Suivez_ce_parachute it may not be Bond-mania like it was in the sixties, but if there's one movie-title I've heard be mentioned on party's, in public transport and on the street it's 'Skyfall'. I've never heard the title of a Bond-movie so often mentioned whilst i was no part of the discussion... (oh, and that's since GE, as that was my first 'í'm old enough to follow these things' Bond-movie, i was 15 at the time).
  • @Suivez_ce_parachute it may not be Bond-mania like it was in the sixties, but if there's one movie-title I've heard be mentioned on party's, in public transport and on the street it's 'Skyfall'. I've never heard the title of a Bond-movie so often mentioned whilst i was no part of the discussion... (oh, and that's since GE, as that was my first 'í'm old enough to follow these things' Bond-movie, i was 15 at the time).

    It's true. If you ask a random person what the movie of the year is, you either hear 'The Avengers', 'Skyfall' or 'The Hobbit'. And when you ask people what movie they liked more, 'Skyfall' or 'The Dark Knight Rises', most people choose 'Skyfall'.

    2012 is off course never a copy of that famous film year 1965/1966. But given the circumstances of today -3D, IMAX, lots of competition, illegal downloads, globalization, China, possesion of home cinema sets, DVD's, BluRay's- I'd say 'Skyfall' is having its own Bond mania moment that is unique in its own way.
  • RC7RC7
    edited December 2012 Posts: 10,512
    @Suivez_ce_parachute it may not be Bond-mania like it was in the sixties, but if there's one movie-title I've heard be mentioned on party's, in public transport and on the street it's 'Skyfall'. I've never heard the title of a Bond-movie so often mentioned whilst i was no part of the discussion... (oh, and that's since GE, as that was my first 'í'm old enough to follow these things' Bond-movie, i was 15 at the time).

    It's true. If you ask a random person what the movie of the year is, you either hear 'The Avengers', 'Skyfall' or 'The Hobbit'. And when you ask people what movie they liked more, 'Skyfall' or 'The Dark Knight Rises', most people choose 'Skyfall'.

    2012 is off course never a copy of that famous film year 1965/1966. But given the circumstances of today -3D, IMAX, lots of competition, illegal downloads, globalization, China, possesion of home cinema sets, DVD's, BluRay's- I'd say 'Skyfall' is having its own Bond mania moment that is unique in its own way.

    It's certainly hugely successful film but it is not Bond mania by any stretch. I don't see kids clamouring to get their hands on a DB5 or a model of Dan. I wish it was like those glory days but it's not. There will be quite a few Bats and Tumblers under the tree this year but the Bond merchandise ain't what it used to be.
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