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Corrected hehe :-P.
How?
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting my favourite film series to beat a film which had a major advantage and which was one of the most anticipated, successful films ever made.
Like I said, I think it'll really prove that Bond is back on top again. Bye Bats, you had a good run but Bond has retaken his place as the action movie king (success wise anyway, if we're talking about the films themselves, I think The Raid was the best action film of the year).
Bond is on top.. of the spy genre a.k.a the only one relative to it imo. It still beats out Bourne, Mission:Impossible, and any other attempts to dethrone it.
I see no issues with it's progress.
It doesn't have to, I'd just like it to because I think it'd be the icing on the cake.
The number one Bond film of all time doesn't excite me as much because at the end of the day they're all Bond films. They're all part of the same series so they're not really in competition.
Bond beats Bond doesn't make me as happy as Bond beats the most successful action franchise of the last few years (Batman) and reclaims his blockbuster action film throne.
This is a really good point mate and completely relevant. I fail to see why some people can't grasp it. Beating TDKR would be an astonishing achievement. The event movies of the last 5 years trumped by a 50 year old franchise straying into untested territory.
Re. success, IMO word of mouth is the primary factor in it's BO. Just my opinion.
Exactly my point. People aren't happy until one film beats the other financially. What a crock. They can't just be happy that the films all individually did fantastic, and forget about stupid contention.
'Bond 24' is going to be an absolute failure and a terrible film if it doesn't beat 'Transformers 4' or 'The Hobbit: There and Back Again.'
I've stated that it would be cool if Bond managed to beat other $1 billion achievers of 2012, because I never once thought that was possible, but to say that one is better than the other or one is only going to be great when it beats the other is ludicrous.
I never once said that. I even made a point a few posts up of saying it didn't HAVE TO.
I just thought that it'd be a great achievement and it would be cool if Bond beat the most successful action franchise of the last few years.
I thought on a Bond fan site people would want Bond to beat the competition.
There was an accidental SF reference hidden in that latter sentence of mine.
That's just abysmal. I love Batman and Bond equally, and don't care who gets more at the BO. I love that both exited 2012 as some of the greatest critical and financial successes for Warner Bros. and EON respectively. Just because this is a Bond site doesn't mean my adoration for Batman goes out the window.
1 - Skyfall : 6 827 640
2 - L'Age de Glace 4 : La Dérive des continents : 6 588 883
3 - Sur La Piste du Marsupilami : 5301 988
4 - La Vérité Si Je Mens! 3 : 4 613 791
5 - Avengers : 4 499 009
6 – The Dark Knight Rises : 4 385 032
7 – Twilight – Chapitre 5 : Révélation 2ième Partie : 4 450 379
8 – Astérix et Obélix : Au Service De Sa Majesté : 3 757 457
9 – Madagascar 3 : Bons Baisers d'Europe : 3 343 533
10 – Le Prénom : 3 337 191
Thanks for ignoring my post :(( Seems after all this time, you still have to be a guy to count. :((
I haven't noticed anyone suggesting that this would make SF a 'better film' but maybe there are. What a few of us are implying is that the Batman films are the current benchmark for big budget action cinema of quality. QoS took 590m the year TDK 1bn. That is some gap to make up, the fact SF has is astonishing.
Well I do want it to beat TDKR for the reasons I mentioned before, and just because I prefer Bond to Batman and I would like it to beat TDKR it doesn't mean I'm "missing the point"
Sony will definetly want to get Bond 24 out quickly now.
I hope they go viral, in the way of Nolans movies. They was promoted in a quite smart way but it never got too much " in your face ".
I have actually the figures of % of SF vs all the French 2012 box office and of GF and TB vs all the 1965 box office (ie : 3.7% of all tickets sold in 2012 in France were to see SF (figure from memory I may be wrong, but I can find it very easily), and XX/YY % of all tickets sold in 1965 was to see GF / TB (released within months, don't forget).
But clearly, the "need" for some to boast SF is bigger than TB means I will keep this XX figure under wraps until the hysteria has passed. I understand that everyone concerned with the PRs (fan club included) needs this #1 title, to build momentum for the awards. So I'll wait when they have been awarded or not and then people will listen a bit more I think ;)
However, I find it very ironical that Box Office Mojo is the reference here, EXCEPT for that 1037M$ figure for TB which is taken not from Mojo's ticket inflation method, but from a general inflation method (Mojo method of computation would give more than 1300M$ for TB - which is actually also meaningless, but harder to beat :) )
I think that in short, the idea is to be able to hint that :
"Dear Acamedy voters, you didn't vote in the 60s for the Bond movies, but now you have the opportunity to vote for Bond in 2012 without making it look like a criticism of your 60s disdain, as this 2012 Bond is bigger and better than those of the 60s."
However, the Us box office adjusted whatever the method doesn't really allow to be that brutal for an US Academy:)
Mod edit: double post merged into one.
As for your newest statement...why do people continuously feel the need to bring up "bigger gross = better product?" 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen' made over $800 million, and it was honestly one of the worst films I've ever seen in my life. Did it get tons of Academy Award nominations thrown at it? No. SF could have made $3 billion somehow, it won't end up changing what awards it receives. 'Salmon Fishing in the Yemen' is sweeping awards so far, apparently, yet it made less than $10 million in theaters.
If SF manages to win any Academy Awards, it's because the area it takes home the award in deserves it - Adele's voice, Deakins' cinematography, etc. - not because of the gross.
I was a member of a Bond fan club in 1989, FYI. And I'm here for more than a year... I didn't read and then post much during SF production because I wanted to avoid too much spoiling (I knew almost everything about GE while it was being shot, and it clearly spoils the pleasure a lot).
And I'm pretty sure you'll keep on reading me when I'll give you data about SF in China, while you wait for Box Office Mojo to post them :)
And if had SF had done $700M, I'm pretty sure you'd have called it a flop, you, and I'd explained you why it woud not have been one !
Everyone wins.
In the rest of the world, Skyfall beats TDKR by a large margin.
It's a bit like TDKR is "football" (or "american football" in the rest of the world), and Skyfall is soccer (or "football" in the rest of the world). One is conceived to allow ads every 3 minutes and the other is a long uninterrupted flow :) And one is very, very popular only in one country, but those weight is important (but less and less...).
Hopefully sports aficionados do not bother to debate which sport is the more popular :)
Did you note that :
Those two titles are direct in-your-face Bond references ? :)
'8 - Asterix and Obelix : On Her Majesty's Service'
'9 - Madagascar 3 : From Europe With Love'
3 Bondian titles in the top 10 ! :)
And believe it or not, the title sequence of the 4th movie La Verite Si je Mens ! 3, is also a Bond in-your-face hommage (it was even more in the 1 and 2 though if I remember well).
Here's the titles from the 2, gunbarrel and Bond theme like included :
Mod edit: another double post merged into one.
@Suivez_ce_parachute, again, if you have something else to say, edit your original comment. There's no need for double posts, it's considered to be spam.
Please avoid double posts by making use of the edit button in case you have more to add to your latest post. As @Creasy47 correctly pointed out, double posts are considered a form of spam and will, when turning up frequently, result in a warning. Hopefully you wish to avoid that.
But, well, I'm less than thrilled to make you benefit from my Chinese box office tracking data then when SF is released, as it'll clearly mean several posts in the same few hours while most here are sleeping !