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Agree, Bond is not a realistic movie series, IMO, so why watch Bond if one hates OTT?
There's a line though between the fantastic and fantasy. The volcano lair in YOLT is fantastical but it's not fantasy as its all perfectly possible, if you had enough money.
Bond occupies a very careful balance between realism and the fantastic. As Sam Mendes observed, it's not a superhero movie but it's not totally realistic either. It can get away with science fictional elements if they are done carefully and are possible within the era we live in.
And even then, if you want to do something fantastical, you better make an attempt to make it look real. Either by setting up the possibility of it earlier in the film ( eg in Goldeneye they show Bond leaping off the dam (for real!) which later *just* about buys them the cheeky licence to show him leaping off the motorbike mid-air to get to the falling plane) or make it look roughed up messy and realistic ( ie the 'lived-in' look of the star wars universe ).
It's like the difference between the two genres of science fiction and fantasy. It's like the old phrase that fiction must make sense (but reality doesn't have to!).
Finally what makes it worse is that it's random and irrelevant to the plot! You can forgive things that are OTT if they are really important to pushing the plot along, or if they make an important thematic point, but that VR scene... Wtf?!
If you just want to insert totally random fake drama and fantasy technology then you might as well let Michael Bay or a 12 year old hyperactive schoolboy direct Bond.
Hey let's have a scene where Bond realises he has a magic ring like Green Lantern and can fly, then he has to fight aliens and then it all turns out to be a dream! Like, cool!!!
Quantum Of Solace was a disaster due to as Craig says, "Bad Direction". Seemed like in the movie, everybody knows James Bond. Like, "hey look! It's James Bond!" Excuse me, he's a spy!!
I wish Die Another Day was different. Die Another Day started so strong that it could have been the best! I'll delete every Chinese/Korean (they all look alike!) thing from the movie. The sword fight scene was boring. Instead I would take it to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Again, it would shorten the film by a large margin. All I'd be doing is cutting the unnecessary bits out to make it flow smoother. It worked well for the chase, but it went from approx. a 5 minute sequence to a 3 minute sequence...
1. That STUPID slide whistle in TMWTGG. Lowbrow humor like this takes the class out of Bond movies. Caters to children or those adults with that level of thinking capacity. Needs a great Barry musical buildup instead.
2. The opening PTS of Goldeneye. Instead of that highly unlikely MR-like catch a plane stunt, Bond uses his wits to get out of the canyon and catch a plane he has stashed nearby. Would make for a longer PTS but a much better and more believable one.
Your son is very intelligent!
In all fairness though, he really likes Octopussy and it is one of his favorites. Which I am fine with, I want him to form his own opinions. I always tell him he does not have to agree with me. He tends to see the greater good in the movie which I love because I feel the same way, as bad as MR and DAD are for example, I always try to find the good stuff and try to remember that more than the bad. I certainly don't want him to be the kind of person who calls Bond movies "turds" and should be flushed down a toilet (or loo if you prefer). If you can actually call a person like that a real Bond fan, that is. IMO, those types of people are entitled to their opinion as everyone is, to me they are just not credible ones and I will be very happy to never engage in dialogue with them. There are good things about EVERY Bond movie. I sure would not want my son to turn out that way.
At 00.31 seconds i jump to 0.42. 00.31-00.42 complete removed.
Then after the in my opnion but dificult to cut talk between 1.17-1.30 i cut from 1.30 til the moment of Miranda 1.30-1.44. (So Miranda Frost wil start then on 01.30). After 1.46 i wil jump to 2.09 when she show his room. The 3 seconds after this stay. The music wil be difrent or atleast not that way of camera move. Keep the joke about the martini and the ice. After she said James i wil make a cut again and again wil start with Frost (3.03). No piguin or for the view again line and what Bond said. Then 3.29-7.33 nothing. From 7.33-7.37 removed, better known as the Matrix cut. From 7.56-8.18 removed, in those there is one moment with first glimp of the laser i keep that but at after Zoa then only line to Jinx and then go to 007 (8.20). Bond said ''Jinx'' (9.33) what 1-2 seconds should be removed too.
If you ask me the whole laser thing should be removed, there is way to do this and that is after Graves busted Jinx (7.10), Graves take her to the ice palace (what happend later in the movie.) This means that Bond under the ice should not end at Jinx but should end somewhere ele's. Funny or not official after Bond saved Jinx. Bond tell Graves Bond knowns Graves is Moon.
On this way the movie be no longer 132 minutes (127 minutes pall time) but 127/122 if you already removed this.
Maybe have her get the drop on Bond when he hesitates for a split second and "blam" M shoots her dead.
I would have killed Renaud prior to this. Elektra was the main villian and should have been killed last.
The dialogue is indeed terrible ("Haha, I'll use the laser!"; "Don't make a mess"), but the fight itself is really fun and well done in my opinion. I wish it had been longer in fact, I could have seen Bond taking more time to beat up a heavy like Mr. Kil, but the movie was running around 2 hours and 15 minutes, so I can see the need for edits.
It is a bit daft i can only assume carvers henchmen regularly sledgehammer people cars that they don't like :) I wonder if every car they come across is bullet proof and electricutes them, then its time to bring in the sledge hammers Lol
Too much cgi lasers for me, Though admittedly mr kills death is not pretty, laser through back of the head ouch! shame it did not accidentally hit jinx :)
HAHAHAHA! Now there would be a desirable alternate ending!
Thing is, for however bad a Bond release is, or how long it's on for, with exception to the actual theater release, we can simply fast forward or skip the bits we simply don't want to see at home, I think that's all very well and good
I would never take out the pigeon from Moonraker, it has reached legendary status so far as the franchise goes, if you take him away, it's like leaving Clark Gable out of Gone With The Wind or something, it's an icon of the film industry, just leave it be
The Car flip in The Man with the Golden Gun is OK, it's just the damn awful sound effects I always take issue with, I could murder sometimes whenever I hear it
(having all kind of technical difficulties today so I think I'll leave it for a while and try later maybe, page goes static, can't post, cut and paste on to a fresh page, damn annoying actually) :-L