"Number 10's making ugly noises"

edited May 2012 in Bond Movies Posts: 643
Studying politics at university, I was always interested at how Number 10/British Prime Minister is referred to in the series. There are numerous quotes littered throughout the series that highlight Number 10's satisfaction (or more often than not, dissatisfaction) at the events in a Bond film. As such, I thought an interesting way to categorise the films would be picking which Prime Minister presided over the best sequence of James Bond films. There are 9 different era's to represent 9 different prime ministers (Skyfall will see bond serve his 10th Prime Minister in David Cameron). I have listed below the eras below with the name of the prime minister and the years they were in office with the films made when they were in power.

UPDATE: Special thanks to St_George for his additional information regarding specific dates.

Harold Macmillan
(Jan 10 1957 - Oct 18 1963)

Dr. No (*release date: Oct 5 1962)
From Russia With Love (*Oct 11 1963)


Alec Douglas-Home
(Oct 18 1963 - Oct 16 1964)

Goldfinger (*Sep 17 1964)


Harold Wilson
(Oct 16 1964 - June 19 1970)
(Mar 4 1974 - Apr 5 1976)

Thunderball (*Dec 9 1965)
You Only Live Twice (*Jun 12 1967)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (*Dec 18 1969)
The Man With The Golden Gun (*Dec 19 1974)


Edward Heath
(Jun 19 1970 - Mar 4 1974)

Diamonds are Forever (*Dec 14 1971)
Live and Let Die (*Jun 27 1973)


James Callaghan
(Apr 5 1976 - May 4 1979)

The Spy Who Loved Me (*July 7 1977)

Margaret Thatcher
(May 4 1979 - Nov 28 1990)

Moonraker (*Jun 26 1979)
For Your Eyes Only (*Jun 24 1981)
Octopussy (*Jun 6 1983)
A View To A Kill (*May 22 1985)
The Living Daylights (*Jun 29 1987)
Licence To Kill (*Jun 13 1989)

John Major
(Nov 28 1990 - May 2 1997)

GoldenEye (*Nov 17 1995)

Tony Blair
(May 2 1997 - Jun 27 2007)

Tomorrow Never Dies (*Dec 12 1997)
The World Is Not Enough (*Nov 8 1999)
Die Another Day (*Nov 18 2002)
Casino Royale (*Nov 14 2006)

Gordon Brown
(June 27 2007 - May 11 2010)

Quantum of Solace (*Oct 29 2008


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  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Prime Ministers may come and go, but the Queen remains the same.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Yes. For queen and country!
    No. 10 is usually kindly referred to as "the PM" isn't he/she? Rather like a grumpy aunt or uncle weighing in.
  • Posts: 5,745
    Wilson definitely had the best run.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited April 2012 Posts: 28,694
    Macmillan with the best run. Combine the classic origin in DN, the raw espionage and thrilling FRWL, Connery in both to boot along with some of the most ruthless moments like DN killing Dent and Grant, how can you compare??
  • Posts: 1,817
    Studying politics at university, I was always interested at how Number 10/British Prime Minister is referred to in the series. There are numerous quotes littered throughout the series that highlight Number 10's satisfaction (or more often than not, dissatisfaction) at the events in a Bond film. As such, I thought an interesting way to categorise the films would be picking which Prime Minister presided over the best sequence of James Bond films. There are 9 different era's to represent 9 different prime ministers (Skyfall will see bond serve his 10th Prime Minister in David Cameron). I have listed below the eras below with the name of the prime minister and the years they were in office with the films made when they were in power.


    Harold Macmillan (1957-1963

    Dr. No
    From Russia With Love

    Alec Douglas-Home

    Goldfinger

    Harold Wilson 1964-1970 and 1974-1976

    Thunderball
    You Only Live Twice
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service

    Edward Heath 1970-1974

    Diamonds are Forever
    Live and Let Die
    The Man With The Golden Gun

    James Callaghan 1976-1979

    The Spy Who Loved Me
    Moonraker

    Margaret Thatcher 1979-1990

    For Your Eyes Only (Obviously ;) haha)
    Octopussy
    A View To A Kill
    The Living Daylights
    Licence To Kill

    John Major 1990-1997

    Goldeneye
    Tomorrow Never Dies

    Tony Blair 1997-2007

    The World Is Not Enough
    Die Another Day
    Casino Royale

    Gordon Brown

    Quantum of Solace


    Are you a political scientist or did you take politics only as a course?
  • Posts: 12,837
    Brown had the worst run, he got one film and it just happened to be QOS.

    As much as I don't like her, Thatcher had the best run.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited April 2012 Posts: 15,716
    How long as Elizabeth II been in power ? 1952, correct ? So in that case her reign even predates the first Fleming novel !!!!!
  • I wonder if there is a Number 2 Downing Street, now that would make some ugly noises?

    What a baron period it was after Thatcher the snatcher, no Bond film for how many years?

    89 until 95? Ouch! That was bad.
  • Another interesting question is how many of the Prime Ministers visited the Bond sets when the pictures were in production? I believe either Harold Wilson or James Callaghan visited the TSWLM supertanker set, and I have a feeling Maggie Thatcher once visited one of the sets?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    David Cameron visited the Skyfall set this year.
  • Posts: 1,492
    [shudders] My personal bete noir the milk snatcher coincides with my favourite films.

    Oh the shame!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    It's worked to the series' strength to not mention the PM in the films. There are very few references that I can count.
  • edited April 2012 Posts: 643
    Another interesting question is how many of the Prime Ministers visited the Bond sets when the pictures were in production? I believe either Harold Wilson or James Callaghan visited the TSWLM supertanker set, and I have a feeling Maggie Thatcher once visited one of the sets?

    Harold Wilson opened the sound stage at Pinewood I know that much. Ever the populist, he regularly tried to leach off the success of the series by inviting Connery to Number 10.

    Samuel001 wrote:
    It's worked to the series' strength to not mention the PM in the films. There are very few references that I can count.

    They are never mentioned by name....FYEO is the only film to go overboard and feature a PM (Thatcher). Freddie Gray mentions her having his gut for garters. Various mentions of number 10 in several films (TB, OHMSS etc) and in TSWLM or MR (can't remember which) the PM instructs M to get Bond on the case via telephone
  • Also, when Anthony Eden resigned in 1957, him and his wife went to stay with a couple of friends in Jamaica...the Flemings at GoldenEye!
  • St_GeorgeSt_George Shuttling Drax's lovelies to the space doughnut - happy 40th, MR!
    edited May 2012 Posts: 1,699
    Feel a nit-picker to point it out, but the list above isn't exactly correct. For the sake of being specific, here's a more exact list... :)


    Harold Macmillan (Jan 10 1957 - Oct 18 1963)
    Dr. No (*release date: Oct 5 1962)
    From Russia With Love (*Oct 11 1963)


    Alec Douglas-Home (Oct 18 1963 - Oct 16 1964)
    Goldfinger (*Sep 17 1964)


    Harold Wilson (Oct 16 1964 - June 19 1970)
    Thunderball (*Dec 9 1965)
    You Only Live Twice (*Jun 12 1967)
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service (*Dec 18 1969)

    (Mar 4 1974 - Apr 5 1976)
    The Man With The Golden Gun (*Dec 19 1974)


    Edward Heath (Jun 19 1970 - Mar 4 1974)
    Diamonds are Forever (*Dec 14 1971)
    Live and Let Die (*Jun 27 1973)


    James Callaghan (Apr 5 1976 - May 4 1979)
    The Spy Who Loved Me (*July 7 1977)


    Margaret Thatcher (May 4 1979 - Nov 28 1990)
    Moonraker (*Jun 26 1979)
    For Your Eyes Only (*Jun 24 1981)
    Octopussy (*Jun 6 1983)
    A View To A Kill (*May 22 1985)
    The Living Daylights (*Jun 29 1987)
    Licence To Kill (*Jun 13 1989)


    John Major (Nov 28 1990 - May 2 1997)
    GoldenEye (*Nov 17 1995)


    Tony Blair (May 2 1997 - Jun 27 2007)
    Tomorrow Never Dies (*Dec 12 1997)
    The World Is Not Enough (*Nov 8 1999)
    Die Another Day (*Nov 18 2002)
    Casino Royale (*Nov 14 2006)


    Gordon Brown (June 27 2007 - May 11 2010)
    Quantum of Solace (*Oct 29 2008)
  • St_George wrote:
    Feel a nit-picker to point it out, but the list above isn't exactly correct. For the sake of being specific, here's a more exact list... :)


    Harold Macmillan
    (Jan 10 1957 - Oct 18 1963)
    Dr. No (*release date: Oct 5 1962)
    From Russia With Love (*Oct 11 1963)


    Alec Douglas-Home
    (Oct 18 1963 - Oct 16 1964)
    Goldfinger (*Sep 17 1964)


    Harold Wilson
    (Oct 16 1964 - June 19 1970)
    Thunderball (*Dec 9 1965)
    You Only Live Twice (*Jun 12 1967)
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service (*Dec 18 1969)

    (Mar 4 1974 - Apr 5 1976)
    The Man With The Golden Gun (*Dec 19 1974)


    Edward Heath
    (Jun 19 1970 - Mar 4 1974)
    Diamonds are Forever (*Dec 14 1971)
    Live and Let Die (*Jun 27 1973)


    James Callaghan
    (Apr 5 1976 - May 4 1979)
    The Spy Who Loved Me (*July 7 1977)


    Margaret Thatcher
    (May 4 1979 - Nov 28 1990)
    Moonraker (*Jun 26 1979)
    For Your Eyes Only (*Jun 24 1981)
    Octopussy (*Jun 6 1983)
    A View To A Kill (*May 22 1985)
    The Living Daylights (*Jun 29 1987)
    Licence To Kill (*Jun 13 1989)


    John Major
    (Nov 28 1990 - May 2 1997)
    GoldenEye (*Nov 17 1995)


    Tony Blair
    (May 2 1997 - Jun 27 2007)

    Tomorrow Never Dies (*Dec 12 1997)
    The World Is Not Enough (*Nov 8 1999)
    Die Another Day (*Nov 18 2002)
    Casino Royale (*Nov 14 2006)


    Gordon Brown
    (June 27 2007 - May 11 2010)

    Quantum of Solace (*Oct 29 2008)

    I Must admit, I was a bit, if you excuse the pun, liberal with the dates and gave the film to the PM who was the PM during filming. I realised TMWTGG and MR...didn't about TND though! Thank you for this, I shall re-edit my original post if that is ok?
  • Fixed the original post :)

    Imo, I think it comes down to a battle between Wilson and Thatcher...hate to say it because I despise the woman but have to say Thatcher had the best run of films :'(
  • St_GeorgeSt_George Shuttling Drax's lovelies to the space doughnut - happy 40th, MR!
    Posts: 1,699
    I Must admit, I was a bit, if you excuse the pun, liberal with the dates and gave the film to the PM who was the PM during filming.

    Ah, well, in that case, your original list was arguably just as correct as mine. :)

    As for my own 'PM pick', it'd probably be Wilson's '60s stint,as that one contains both OHMSS and Twice (two Bond flicks I rate highly) and the side's only let down by TB, which isn't too shabby, all told. Otherwise, I'd have to pick Callaghan's era at the end of the red telephone as his period oversaw Spy entirely (which, clearly, is just awesome) and much of the making of MR, which is something of a must with me, for right or wrong... ;)
  • Posts: 11,425
    Has to be in order, Wilson, Macmillan, Thatcher, Douglas-Home, Callaghan, Blair (only for CR), Brown and Major.
  • Getafix wrote:
    Has to be in order, Wilson, Macmillan, Thatcher, Douglas-Home, Callaghan, Blair (only for CR), Brown and Major.

    Interesting order...the top 3 seem to be most consistent. Where would you rate Heath, just out of curiosity?
  • A fun thread. It got me pondering over Bondian Prime Ministers. If you had to pick a PM to play Bond you would certainly struggle. Not many of them have shared characteristics with our favourite spy:

    "The name's Major. John Major."

    "Pay attention 007. We've turned your trademark pipe into a dart-gun. Be careful when you tap it out." (Wilson, obviously)

    "Come now, Blair, I know you enjoy working with Felix Leiter, but you ARE actually a British agent!"

    "Moody. Scottish. Stay away from Kevin McClory, Mr Brown!"

    Harold Macmillan might have made a decent 'M', but the only PM I could consider to be suave enough to play 007 (within the lifetime of the books and films), would probably be Anthony Eden. True, he didn't exactly show 'grace under pressure' when it came to the foremost crisis of his premiership, but even the great Sir Rog is scared of heights, in real life.

    I give you:

    Anthony Eden as Ian Fleming's 007 in: From Suez With Love.



  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited September 2013 Posts: 18,270
    I'm very interested in this subject-matter so I thought I would revive this thread. I think Gordon Brown's Government (2007-2010) is referenced in Skyfall with all the data loss and hacking scandals that befell his administration. This post is a bit of an update in that regard.
  • saunderssaunders Living in a world of avarice and deceit
    Posts: 987
    Another interesting question is how many of the Prime Ministers visited the Bond sets when the pictures were in production? I believe either Harold Wilson or James Callaghan visited the TSWLM supertanker set, and I have a feeling Maggie Thatcher once visited one of the sets?

    When Tomorrow Never Dies was being filmed Tony Blair was on the election trail and happened to be at the same airport at the same time as the Bond production during the Q and remote controlled BMW hanger scene, he even got to meet Pierce, lucky bugger!

  • Posts: 15,117
    I wonder if there is a Number 2 Downing Street, now that would make some ugly noises?

    What a baron period it was after Thatcher the snatcher, no Bond film for how many years?

    89 until 95? Ouch! That was bad.

    Does it say something about John Major as a prime minister? I remember even tory voters telling me he was a useless prime minister.
    How long as Elizabeth II been in power ? 1952, correct ? So in that case her reign even predates the first Fleming novel !!!!!

    This is why I always wonder why they never used The Property of a Lady as a movie title. Maybe for Bond 24? Might as well do it as the Queen is still alive.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,270
    Ludovico wrote:
    I wonder if there is a Number 2 Downing Street, now that would make some ugly noises?

    What a baron period it was after Thatcher the snatcher, no Bond film for how many years?

    89 until 95? Ouch! That was bad.

    Does it say something about John Major as a prime minister? I remember even tory voters telling me he was a useless prime minister.
    How long as Elizabeth II been in power ? 1952, correct ? So in that case her reign even predates the first Fleming novel !!!!!

    This is why I always wonder why they never used The Property of a Lady as a movie title. Maybe for Bond 24? Might as well do it as the Queen is still alive.

    Well I'd wager than John Major was the last honest and decent prime minister we ever had (Edwina Curry affair aside) and certainly much better than Blair and Brown.

    And yes, I'd really like to see The Property of A Lady as a title for a Craig Bond film too, though perhaps it's felt that it is a little dull.
  • The Property of a Lady would have been a much better title than Quantum of Solace. It could have referred to Bond as he relates to M and Vesper, Vesper's necklace, and it had the added bonus of being easily understood.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,270
    The Property of a Lady would have been a much better title than Quantum of Solace. It could have referred to Bond as he relates to M and Vesper, Vesper's necklace, and it had the added bonus of being easily understood.

    Yes, my thoughts as well. It would have fitted in with the personal side of the film story much better. As it was, the "Quantum of Solace" term was wasted - probably as the film was already written when the title was added to it.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 686
    @Dragonpol

    Does Fleming reference the Profumo affair in the opening paragraph of "The Property of A Lady" ?
  • Posts: 15,117
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    I wonder if there is a Number 2 Downing Street, now that would make some ugly noises?

    What a baron period it was after Thatcher the snatcher, no Bond film for how many years?

    89 until 95? Ouch! That was bad.

    Does it say something about John Major as a prime minister? I remember even tory voters telling me he was a useless prime minister.
    How long as Elizabeth II been in power ? 1952, correct ? So in that case her reign even predates the first Fleming novel !!!!!

    This is why I always wonder why they never used The Property of a Lady as a movie title. Maybe for Bond 24? Might as well do it as the Queen is still alive.

    Well I'd wager than John Major was the last honest and decent prime minister we ever had (Edwina Curry affair aside) and certainly much better than Blair and Brown.

    And yes, I'd really like to see The Property of A Lady as a title for a Craig Bond film too, though perhaps it's felt that it is a little dull.

    I am no big fan of Blair and Brown, but that does not change the fact that John Major was pretty much beige. Like Anthony Burgess said (and he voted tory all his life, save once): he was mediocrity's monument. Was he honest? Maybe. But what has he done in his tenure?

    The Property of a Lady is maybe a little dull, but only marginally so. I always imagined a villain saying something like this to Bond: "I am my own master Mister Bond. But you are nothing more than the property of a lady".
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Well, I've studied many White Papers and Green Papers of the Gordon Brown Government and I can tell you that he did very little on the constitutional reform front and the "Governance of Britain" project that he staked his reputation as incoming prime minister on on 27 June 2007.

    On The Property of A Lady - I like its simplicity, but you make it sound a bit like Dr. No's disparaging comment at James Bond: "You are just a stupid policeman whose luck has run out."
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