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Seriously though, you prefer GE to SP?
I can't really say for SP until I see it on the small screen, because I think the colour filters are overwhelming me in the theatre. I want to watch it back to back with the other Craig films before I can have a better understanding of where I'm going to finally put it in my ranking. I have a feeling it will all potentially look much grander on the small screen. At the moment I'll place hold it at 10 out of 24 because of Craig (he is the predominant memory I have of SP because his performance anchors it) and because it's the newest one.
So GE sits above SP in the top ten...
I never cease to be amazed by what otherwise sensible members on here see in GE. I personally struggle to think of a single level on which GE comes close, let alone outperforms SP. Not even the score, and that's saying something!
If I wanted to watch a Bond movie that would make me really depressed about life, the world and everything in it, then I know I can reliably turn to GE.
It's like a late entry in the Carry On series, without the wit.
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I understand the game was popular but I don't really understand why that should now be a factor in its long term critical appreciation.
I understand the game was popular but I don't really understand why that should now be a factor in its long term critical appreciation.
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You just had to have grown up in that era I suppose. As I said, it created a new generation of Bond fans for 90's kids, the game helped as well.
I am pleased to read all your comments @bondjames @bain123 and @getafix
For Craig to take all the credit for what Dalton initiated years back is unfair. To me it is an injustice and The truth will out. Craig had a feast to choose from in terms of the past contributions as to how he would mix and match his portrayal. No man is an island. Craig owes a debt to Connery and Dalton in equal measure.
But people in the media like GQ Magazine are playing an important role in highligting some cold hard facts about where the Craig era owes a debt to.
And remember that in my time, Brosnan was seen as the new Connery. His popularity at the time of his tenure felt to me even more popular than Craig. Everyone was talking about Brosnan how he was up therre with Connery. Hardly anyone I talked to around the time of TND thought badly of Brosnan.
My point is that opinions can change in a heartbeat. Connery being the original, is more or less beyond criticism and crosses the generations superbly.
I think Brosnan on the whole, was a splendid Bond in Goldeneye and could show a dark side. He looked great. He is like Dalton's younger brother who is slightly naughtier and less serious. I like the dark look Bond image a lot as in Byronic.
The public are fickle my friends. More so now than 30 years ago.
And Craig has gone down in my estimation for not giving some credit to Dalton. When Craig was receiving all the media hate upon his casting, Dalton was the first actor to defend the casting choice and countering the negative claims.
I have more respect for Brosanan as a person than Craig. Brosnan gave credit where it was due and admired Dalton's courage.
Lol ...yes it was a very very bad hair day for Bond.
Maybe he thought if his hair was short no one would notice his suits were tailored two sizes too small
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Very much agreed. I was also rather confused by the lengths that some were willing to go to in order to defend Craig for those comments, while outright slamming Brosnan for having the slightest critique of SPECTRE while having nothing but praise for Craig's work in the film.
The fact of the matter is that Craig is not the first actor to attempt a serious portrayal of Bond, yet it would seem that the media would like to crown him as such, or at least the first to attempt it since Sean Connery. While it would be nice if Dalton would get the credit that he clearly deserves, if for nothing else but attempting to bring the franchise back to something both closer to the novels as well as more in line with the tone of the original films as opposed to the camp of Diamonds are Forever onward, I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen. Still, hopefully Craig's films have caused a few people to go back and give Dalton another look, and see that he was ahead of his time rather than the failure that many people perceive him to be.
My opinion of Dalton has swayed back and forth ..thanks to a few here that have encouraged me to reevaluate Dalton I am back on board.
I was a fan of Dalton during his tenure as Bond but I felt alone ...
I have been critical of Dalton here but that's changing. I was too harsh...
My gripe against the Dalton films still remains to be Glen. I really wish another director had helmed Dalton's outings.
Sorry ...the acting in those two especially LTK just ruins what should have been classic outings.
Sorry I had to vent.
Can't say that I've seen that one. I would imagine that they probably used him in that one because 1) he probably came cheaper than someone like Connery or Moore and 2) was actually willing to do it. ;)
I don't think that everyone considers him a failure, but rather just the general movie-going audience that doesn't consume the Bond films in the way that hardcore fans of the franchise or people who are otherwise more inclined to give the films more than just the single viewing in the cinema as a way to pass the time. I do think that there is a potential re-evaluation getting underway for Dalton, thanks in part to Craig's films, but also because enough time has passed for a lot of people to forget the 6 year gap between Licence to Kill and GoldenEye and how that almost was it for the franchise. I think that you see that kind of re-evaluation starting with something like Dalton's turn on Chuck which, while not watched by a huge number of people since the show had rather mediocre ratings, was very popular with the fans who watched the show and probably caused more than a few to go back and search through his catalogue of films.
The mark of an excellent actor is surely that they can rescue even the most dire of films... and Dalton has done that countless times.
Let's flip the coin here - can you imagine LTK with Brosnan..? :-&
May be if we can convince you to reassess Dalton then we can also get you to reevaluate the criminally under appreciated John Glen as well. The man gave cinema some of the most iconic action sequences ever committed to celluloid and (IMO) five of the most consistently entertaining entries in the whole series. Even his less good films as Bond director have a lot going for them.
His action sequences for LTK have been referenced and ripped off by so many other films and yet people make out that he's a director of no consequence.
The bomb-chase sequence in OP is by far the most intense sequence in the entire franchise so I agree.
Yup.
John Glen's greatest hits, action sequences which he oversaw & filmed:
- OHMSS ski chase(s), bobsleigh finale
- TSWLM pts, Lotus chase
- MR pts
- FYEO ski chase
- OP pts, plane stunt finale
- TLD pts, C-130 stunts (Necros fight & Jeep escape)
- LTK pts, wavecrest action
It is no coincidence that the 3 Bond entries between OHMSS and TSWLM have flat action that just doesn't jump off the screen in the same way. Glen wasn't involved...
Not to mention he was also responsible for filming most of the action sequences in Richard Donner's 'Superman' (1978) as well.