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Would I do that?
I've never doubted DC can do humour. There was the odd humouress line in CR and QoS. But I'm not talking only about dialogue and double-entendres. I am thinking also of what St James St mentions - the lightness of touch and sense of Bond enjoying himself a bit - that meant Bond always left you leaving the cinema with a spring in your step, instead of reaching for the heavy spirits.
Obviously your comment about Dalts is complete and utter nonsense though! ;)
...But come November/December your still going to want to see it....
Exactly my first reaction. Having said that, I'm softening a little towards it having re-watched it. It is a quite determinedly down-beat trailer though.
Thanks for the quote. I'm new to the site and am getting the feeling that an endorsement from yourself might get me in hot water! But thanks anyway. Lol
To emphasise my point, I will go and see Skyfall more than once and (I am sure) enjoy. I think in Mendes' hands it will have a much more authentically British feel (M with the union jack draped coffins is a haunting image).
But with a couple of young boys, I hope in ten years they're not coming out of the cinema saying "Come on Dad, I can't wait to get home to re-enact that torture scene!"
Are you nuts? What about the gorgeous cinematography which is miles above we've ever seen in any Bond film so far.
Bond films shouldn't be aimed at children.
Could be. It is an interesting inversion of the usual scenario, where Bond attacks the baddy base.
Judging by many of the posts on this very site, many people first got hooked on Bond when they were 11, 12 or in their early teens ... often seeing them with their parents first. Ignoring that might mean ignoring the next generation of fans.
yeah right, not like Dalton approach as "Bond shakespearean wanna be".
Craig is thankfully his own man and a Bond whose humour is more subtle and understated than any since Connery. Just because he doesn't twinkle at the camera and emphasise certain words to push the joke home ("We've developed a certain ATTACHMENT" ) doesn't mean there is no humour in his Bond.
The current films are taking a different direction and that needs to happen to keep the series going, from these brief clips I don't think we can really gauge the tone of the film just yet!
Fair point.
I think this is a very astute quote.
I was at White Hart Lane (I am not a spurs fan) about 12 months ago and I overheard a kid, of about 11 talking to his dad about Mr. White and whether he thought he'd come back. They went into a whole dialogue about QoS and the kid was talking in passionate detail about the the chase with Mitchell.
I hadn't at that point considered QoS would be so appealing to a young kid. Little did I know. It just goes to show, we can all lose touch at times and shouldn't judge what does and doesn't appeal to others.
Wanna be? There is no wanna be, Dalton is a shakespearean trained actor. But I wasn't aware that being shakespearean actor was such a terrible crime.
Thanks for the anecdote – opened my eyes and very reassuring.
who said it a terrible crime? for me is just crime, not terrible crime, what i want to say is Dalton make the character (Bond) into shakespearean wanna be, change Dalton line "shaken not stirred" with "to be or not to be"
It has the perfect combination of imagery, music and a few effective lines. The cinematography is awesome. Now I can't wait to see some Turkish scenes and hear Newman's take on a Bond soundtrack!
As for the quality of the finished product? How the hell should I know. Its just a teaser. I've seen many amazing teasers only to be sorely disappointed by the actual movie - and vice versa.
Call me crazy, but if I had to choose, i'd rather see Bond turned into into a shakespearean character than see Bond turned into a charmless thug.
I don't think DC is completely devoid of charm. Agreed in QoS he's a bit too "thuggish" but in CR the mix of rutheless killer and elegant gentleman is rather good IMO.
Now did you feel excited/feelgood factor when you walked out of DAD? Didn't think so.
I wanted DC to have a bit more fun too. As he says himself the Vesper story is now over and his misery is over too.
Yes a bit of a lighter touch would be great but that trailer looks as lavish and beautiful as GF and FRWL, which is never a bad thing. So for me it can be 'The Dark Knight Rises' story all it wants as long as it looks this beautiful.
Fleming never write his character like shakespearean wannabe, and btw you are not Crazy if you choose to see Bond turned "into into" Shakespearean character, but i can call you crazy if you think Dalton have charm...to me Dalton Bond also a charmless thug with shakespearean wannabe approach is his cover
The strength of Craig is he follows his character through to the end without any confusing changes to his overall character. In TND we had Brosnan mourning the dead Paris, then having great larks with his BMW in the multi story, 2 minutes later.
Or a moody and angry Dalton getting revenge for Sharkey and then a few minutes later tossing drugs out of the plane and cackling happily to himself.
Craig doesn't do that. He keeps his character on an even keel and when he lightens the mood (such as his handcuffs joke when Fields 'picks him up') it's still within character.
Agreed, Bain. I think that the "charmless thug" description goes too far from reality.
Sometimes some people I've known will have a knee-jerk reaction to something and then, instead of admitting that maybe they over-reacted, they keep saying the same thing over and over again to justify their position. Then again, some people will not like something and then use that as a reason to really *dislike* that thing...but one does not necessarily lead to the other. Someone can lament that cheesy Moore-like one-liners aren't in the current films, but that doesn't mean that there is *no* humour in them.
There are some people who dislike Craig and Dalton and they are entitled to their opinions. But when they talk about how Dalton's Bond was completely without humour or charm they lose me. I remember when TLD came out and the audience laughed at Dalton's jokes ("Amazing, this modern safety glass!" "Kara, we're in a Russian air force base in the middle of Afghanistan..."). This was confirmed when I saw TLD in a theatre again a while back. Just because someone finds LTK to dour doesn't mean that Dalton never had any charm or humour about him.
I feel the same thing with Craig. When someone says he's missing a lightness of touch or isn't good with humour I wonder if they ever saw a film he was in called CR? Joking about shooting the security camera, pointedly going "Oww..." at the tech that implants the tracking, picking up Solange, asking for the valet slip for the DB5, joking with Vesper that her cover name is Stephanie Broadchest (and then hiding the paper from her), saying "I will - thank you." to the hotel receptionist after Vesper storms off...the character is clearly enjoying himself as were the audiences that I saw the film with (three times in theatres).
Before everyone gets upset, I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to dislike Craig's portrayal - I'm just saying that one of the complaints that I heard about him from the beginning doesn't appear to have much of a basis in reality. Just because the films don't have the type of humour that someone likes (single entendre jokes, double-taking pigeons) doesn't mean that they have NO humour...
And the one liner from Bond about being in a Russian airbase was easilly the best delivered funny line from Mr D in either of his films.
However when watching both Craig and Dalton I do feel Craig probably has a bit more of a way with flippant remarks and "one-liners". Actually, in many ways Craig seems the more relaxed of the two. With Dalton...I dunno, sometimes it worked ("you should have brought lillies") and sometimes it didn't ("looks like he came to a dead end").
Incidently I like the way Craig delivers the line:
"what if I felt...compelled to find him?" (referring to Domitrious)
I also remember the line "that last hand...nearly killed me" got a HUGE laugh in the cinema in 2006.
I think its because both have a reputation for being "serious" actors there is an assumption they can't do humour, which is not necessarily true. HOWEVER I do feel Craig has a bit more of that "playful arrogant" manner about him. Hence he can pull off the humour more effectively.
Incidently TWINE was on TV last night, I wonder if Craig will have a line like the infamous last one in that film :)) :))
When I see DC's films this October I'm going to try to see what you guys are talking about but from my memory DC was an ultra serious Bond almost devoid of charm. Maybe it's just the facial expression he uses.
I think that was more the case in QoS to be honest. Sometimes his attempts at humour fell a bit...flat IMO. His monotone voice didn't help.
In CR however he pretty much nailed it and was well served by the script