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I can't speak for Steve on this, but my statement isn't willfully trying to confuse anyone, let alone myself. I've been a fan way too long to be confused, before most of you were even born to be honest. Anyway, there was a definite lack of lightness of tone in the Dalton films as well that cannot be seriously disputed, but both are firmly in my top 5. And people still like them. I want to see Bond kicking serious arse, that is what a real life operative does, that is the way Fleming made him to be, and that is what I want to see. There are one liners the way Sir Sean and Sir Roger delivered them, and then there are cheesy bad one liners that plagued the Brosnan era. Robbie Coltrane as Zukovsky was twice as funny as Bond himself. Bond, Moneypenny, and Q should be delivering the humor. There is both lots of action and great fun in the Connery era, and then there is the foppery of the Moore era complete with sight and sound gags and other aberrations such as characters also doing humor that copy spy genre spoofs rather than set a trend. MR isn't fun, it's slapstick nonsense and about as un-Bondian as you can get. A return to the Moore and Brosnan eras is something I hope I never see again in my lifetime to be quite honest, although I still afford both a measure of respect as a true Bond fan because two of Brosnan's movies were rather good as were a good portion of Moore's. I compare everyone to Sir Sean, and Dalton did a great job (except for the one liners which was just not his forte at the time although he has gotten much better over the years) as Bond and so has Craig to this point considering he hasn't been truly afforded a chance to be the full Bond until this year. He has made me laugh many times with his one liners, he has a great comedic touch and I expect to laugh much more in the future.
I also feel Craig and EON know that the movies need to be lighter in tone, and I am confident they can deliver. They gave Brosnan all the elements to be Bond, the full characterization, and the era failed. Rookie Bond Craig hasn't been given that chance, but when he has (a good portion of CR) he did better than all four Brosnan efforts and quite a few Moore films as well. No, I don't think I am confused at all. And to be honest, a lot of what Steve says, I agree with.
DC, what exactly then IS your definition of Bondian based on the above statement? I find it difficult to believe that anyone cannot pick up Bondian moments in the Craig films, especially in CR.
That scene looks totally badass, doesn't it? I love it.
Opinion: I liked the trailer.
Other Opinion: I didn't like the trailer.
Question: Why?
Response: Because its new and bold and conveys a very striking tone that I hope the movie embodies.
Other Response: Because its too different, and I fear that the filmmakers are losing sight on the character the films, and not the books, have created.
And Fin.
Why must it get worse than that?
You can't really have a debate about very personal preferences and opinions of what constitutes Bond.
Why? Because for CR and QoS there were only two, but they gave much more of the plot away, and were a tad longer.
I still think we'll get a second teaser-ish trailer revealing some of the plot, and then the full almost 3 minute trailer. So the 1st mid-May, the 2nd mid-July, and the 3rd mid-late-September.
Or at least I hope :)
Oh, and I saw the Bond trailer as a You-Tube advert. It didn't deserve the option to skip :)
same here I was like the first time I'm not gonna skip
Me three! :)
Oh, how naive!
Went to watch a clip from Fast Five, and heard Leo roar, and knew it was from Skyfall.
It's going be very interesting watching the reaction...
I have no doubt it will be a box-office hit though, that's a sure thing.
Yes, definitely a money-maker. I think while Skyfall will definitely have that unercurrent of unhappiness, its shows Bond in a new light. It truly shows Fleming's Bond: tired of his job, of his life, and questioning himself. Sort of 'lazy' in his job and what he should be doing. I think anyone who has looked into the novels will respect that aspect of Skyfall.
Also, the morose tone is more centered around M, and not Bond, this time. Bond now, instead of being in the middle of the depression, has to deal with its consequences. He has to save a friend in M (I'm presuming) who's going through a tragic event in life. One that is itself life-threatening.
It won't be the same as QoS, but its still Craig's Bond, and definitely pulls more of Bond's original character from the novels. That's not something I'm afraid of, but some here are attached to the movie-Bond, and I can respect that. They just wont get a Craig film with the same 'pizzaz' of the past.
agree I sick of ppl saying craig is no fun........stop with the old formula that does not work
Excited for the soundtrack too
Craig's going to have more fun in this one, he's already said. I think his new haircut does make him look older.
Totally disagree with you about TLD, which is, IMO, a classic Bond movie, with all the essential ingredients, including humour and light, all present and correct. As I've said on countless occassions before, Dalton's performance in TLD is not defined by 'darkness' or a 'lack of lightness of tone', although he certainly plays it a lot more straight than Sir Rog generally did. The opening scene of TLD is a little Bond masterpiece of high tension and humour and sets up the tone of the film perfectly. LTK is a different matter and I think we could dispute all day whether 'people still like' that one (which is not to say that I don't appreciate it).
Yes, I agree with most of what you and ActonSteve say as well. I just find it annoying when people disagree for the sake of it. I and a few others had noted that the teaser had a generally down-beat feel and therefore expressed the fear that SF might be a continuation of the rather humourless first two DC entries. This was apparently too much for ActonSteve to take. I am actually a big fan of DC and particularly enjoyed QoS but felt both films lacked some essential ingredients that define a good Bond movie - genuine Bondian wit and humour - ingredients that had also been missing from all the Brosnan films. My feeling, which I've already stated above, is not that DC cannot do humour, but that he (perhaps to a certain extent like Brosnan) has not been given scripts that actually allow him to fully develop this part of the character.
And yes, you were wilfully confusing 'fun' (which is what you claim MR and DAD contain) and the lightness of tone and humour that every other Bond fan is able to recognise as an essential part of Bond. To labour the point (again), there is a huge difference in tone between MR and LTK, and it is somewhere in that middle ground that most of us would like to find Mr. Bond. But if you can't (or simply won't) recognise this, then fair enough, we can keep on shouting at each other and agree on nothing.
Any way, in case you missed it, DC and BB happen to agree (quotes courtesy of Volex).
“You have to have a script that has the bones of comedy,” Craig tells us. “Comedy in Bond films, for me, comes out of the situations people get into. They're exciting, and hopefully heart-stopping, and the comedy comes out of one-liners and things. When Sam [Mendes] came in, it was key for all of us that there's a lightness of touch in the writing that's not been as evident in the past two.”
Producer Barbara Broccoli agrees. “It's got those situations where you think, 'You could only see this in a Bond movie,'” she adds. “That's where the wit comes into it.”
So, to re-cap, what exactly are you and ActonSteve arguing about?
In roughly 48 hours it has four and a half million views.
Is that high?
Q, Moneypenny, gadgets, one-liners (atleast more memorable than those in CR), fun, glamour, escapism, larger-than-life adventure, epic scope, grand scale..... didn't find any of that in CR.
..It would be great to not have EVERY thread became a homerun for 2 or 3 people discussing the same ole over and over again. Fact is - when you go through this thread, you can notice, that people TRY to get back on topic, discuss the trailer, but its being interrupted again and again by the same people repeating themselves.
Well said young Lady.....er.. "GermanLady".. sorry!! :-B
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Totally disagree with you about TLD CR, which is, IMO, a classic Bond movie, with all the essential ingredients, including humour and light, all present and correct. As I've said on countless occassions before, Dalton's Craigs performance in TLD CR is not defined by 'darkness' or a 'lack of lightness of tone', although he certainly plays it a lot more straight than Sir Rog generally did. The opening scene of TLD CR is a little Bond masterpiece of high tension and humour and sets up the tone of the film perfectly. LTK QoS is a different matter and I think we could dispute all day whether 'people still like' that one (which is not to say that I don't appreciate it).
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Just some minor changes :p
If the opening of CR doesn't set the tone for the film I don't know what does.
I seriously bet they could