Will there ever be an R rated Bond film?

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  • edited November 2012 Posts: 4,813
    Here's what's funny about how the criteria and standards of the ratings system has changed: if a movie like SkyFall was released in the 60's or 70's, it likely would have been rated R.
    And that works both ways too-- they cut a lousy two seconds from Licence to Kill to avoid the R rating back in 1989, but if the movie was released today nobody would have thought twice about it.

    I think that no Bond movie will ever be rated R-- but only because all movies push the envelope further as time goes on
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Agreed.
  • An R-rated Bond movie doesn't seem right.
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    BangOnTime wrote:
    An R-rated Bond movie doesn't seem right.

    I agree, I mean first off, it's simply not necessary. All the others have been great without the material suited for an R rating, so it's clearly not a matter of success. Also, a good movie is not determined by the level of inappropriate things thrown in for the public's amusement. Secondly, as you said, it just isn't right. You don't get along 50 years in one film franchise by "mixing it up a little bit" with the ratings just for the sake of it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I wouldn't mind an R rated bond outing. If it was done right of course. But honestly in my opinion a movie does not have to be more serious or better just because it has an R rating. Bond can still hold a PG-13 rating and still be very dark,serious and great at the same tiime. Most R Rated movies slap the rating on sometimes just to make it look cool I think ...but anyways if Bond were to be made R someday I wouldn't mind, I'm assuming there would be more graphic nudity during the bedroom scenes, and perhaps more cursing somewhat. But a good bond movie doesn't necessarily need all that fluff. All I want is a Casino Royale 2.0, unfortunately I dont think I'll be receiving that from EON anytime soon after seeing BoreFall.
    Thanks for bumping up your own thread for us @TouchMyButtons....er I mean @DRESSED_TO_KILL...er I mean @sexpionage. Wait, I'm confused...
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    I wouldn't mind an R rated bond outing. If it was done right of course. But honestly in my opinion a movie does not have to be more serious or better just because it has an R rating. Bond can still hold a PG-13 rating and still be very dark,serious and great at the same tiime. Most R Rated movies slap the rating on sometimes just to make it look cool I think ...but anyways if Bond were to be made R someday I wouldn't mind, I'm assuming there would be more graphic nudity during the bedroom scenes, and perhaps more cursing somewhat. But a good bond movie doesn't necessarily need all that fluff. All I want is a Casino Royale 2.0, unfortunately I dont think I'll be receiving that from EON anytime soon after seeing BoreFall.
    Thanks for bumping up your own thread for us @TouchMyButtons....er I mean @DRESSED_TO_KILL...er I mean @sexpionage. Wait, I'm confused...

    Oh no.....is @TouchMyButtons actually @DRESSED_TO_KILL? I've heard of the sneaky members around here who create multiple user-names for themselves. I wouldn't have figured this out on my own, honestly. Do you really think it's him, Brady? I'd be surprised!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited November 2012 Posts: 16,351
    00Beast wrote:
    I wouldn't mind an R rated bond outing. If it was done right of course. But honestly in my opinion a movie does not have to be more serious or better just because it has an R rating. Bond can still hold a PG-13 rating and still be very dark,serious and great at the same tiime. Most R Rated movies slap the rating on sometimes just to make it look cool I think ...but anyways if Bond were to be made R someday I wouldn't mind, I'm assuming there would be more graphic nudity during the bedroom scenes, and perhaps more cursing somewhat. But a good bond movie doesn't necessarily need all that fluff. All I want is a Casino Royale 2.0, unfortunately I dont think I'll be receiving that from EON anytime soon after seeing BoreFall.
    Thanks for bumping up your own thread for us @TouchMyButtons....er I mean @DRESSED_TO_KILL...er I mean @sexpionage. Wait, I'm confused...

    Oh no.....is @TouchMyButtons actually @DRESSED_TO_KILL? I've heard of the sneaky members around here who create multiple user-names for themselves. I wouldn't have figured this out on my own, honestly. Do you really think it's him, Brady? I'd be surprised!

    It's him for sure. He's posted the same pics of himself from other threads, and he's also posted his famous argument on how 9/11 was an inside Job and how the CIA is responsible for the JFK assassination on both accounts, plus he used the same exact profile picture. It's really sad.
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    I knew about the first two but not about the third user name.
  • mdo007mdo007 Katy, Texas
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    001 wrote:
    Forget r rated ,what about a x rated bond :)

    Oh ya baby now were talking !

    Dr.YES, YES, YESSSSS OH YESSSSSS

    Well if that happen at least we get to see how Bond "please" the girl in bed.

    =P~
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    Hollywood doesn't make that many R-rated movies anymore because it doesn't appeal to the younger teen market. Even some horror films are being downgraded to PG13 to capture the younger crowd. I think Bond has always been smartly pitched just at the right age limit and to tamper with it, such as LTK did, would not be seen as a sound financial step in the right direction.
  • DRESSED_TO_KILLDRESSED_TO_KILL Suspended
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    If you honestly believe Oswald shot and killed Kennedy then you are very naive and one dimensional ..do some research buddy
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    If you honestly believe Oswald shot and killed Kennedy then you are very naive and one dimensional ..do some research buddy

    If you honestly believe 9/11 was an inside job that the CIA had caused then you are very naive and one dimensional ..do some research buddy
  • I find it funny how he bumped his own old thread, and disagreed with himself =))

    @Murdock Just to warn you, by research, he means go on this website full of conspiracy theorists like him.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited November 2012 Posts: 16,351
    I find it funny how he bumped his own old thread, and disagreed with himself =))

    @Murdock Just to warn you, by research, he means go on this website full of conspiracy theorists like him.

    Yeah I know, I've seen the website he used to post around as @TouchMyButtons. It's rather sickening, but people have their beliefs.

    As for R-Rated Bond movies? No thanks. Licence to Kill and Skyfall come pretty close and I love those movies ;).

  • One thing that I always liked about Fleming was that he was able to write with what one critic called "a gentleman's restraint". I think that the Bond films can be adult, violent, and sexy without having to be graphic about it. In fact, once one has to become graphic you diminish the power of a scene because it just becomes "obvious".

    Someone said in another thread a while back that he would love Bond to kill a henchman/flunky, then say "F*** you" and spit on the body. This is to me the way a 14 year old who is angry at the world thinks. He's so full of anger and hate at how powerless he is and how horrible that his life is that any situation where someone has power over someone else (such as Bond killing someone) has to be done to such an incredible extreme to combat those feelings of worthlessness. But Bond isn't a 14 year old loser. Projecting the feelings of a 14 year old onto Bond doesn't work because that's not his character. It's like when you read some of the lines that young guys think that Bond should use on women - they are thinking from their own point of view instead of Bond's.

    Basically it comes down to this - I think that a 14 year old like the one described above (and I don't think that's what all 14 year olds are like) should try to be more like Bond, rather than thinking that Bond should be more like him.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I hope he keeps it up - I've stayed on topic, as some of us have tried to do, but all he wants is to derail his own topics...even though he complains that we don't stay ON topic. So, keep up the conspiracy theories and the bad mouthing, and hopefully this will be one more thread full of fighting that gets locked.
  • I think it wouldn't be viable from a financial point of view to have a R rated Bond. I like bond being accessible to a larger audience base.
  • I thought I read at one point Bronsan was sort of pushing to shoot a Bond movie that would have gotten an R rating.

    I don't know; in some ways I think aiming for an R rating would better allow a director to show the levels of violence inherit in Bond's world a little more graphically than they have previously been able to, but is that worth the possible trade-off in potential revenue? I'm not at all sure it is.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @JimThompson45, he was. Brosnan wanted to be the Craig type of Bond: dark, gritty (to an extent), blood, sex. The whole shebang.

    I agree with you that it would show a much more brutal world of Bond, but a bit more blood, gore, and nudity shouldn't be replaced with the possibility of more at the box office. Once they do this, the films will make nowhere near the amount they make today. They should keep at the successful formula they have now.
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    It would be easy to have a R rated: call Marty to direct it an Joe Pesci to be Bond's ally. Add some nudity and voilà.

    But I think Bond movies souldn't be that violent or explicit. Certanly the books are not like that, neither Cubby's picture of the films.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    0013 wrote:
    It would be easy to have a R rated: call Marty to direct it an Joe Pesci to be Bond's ally. Add some nudity and voilà.

    But I think Bond movies souldn't be that violent or explicit. Certanly the books are not like that, neither Cubby's picture of the films.

    As long as Pesci murders someone with a pen, I'm in.
  • 0013 wrote:
    But I think Bond movies souldn't be that violent or explicit. Certainly the books are not like that, neither Cubby's picture of the films.
    A direct translation of the books would almost certainly garner an R rating, don't you think?

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    Well Fleming never wrote the F word but yes, there was some nudity, of course in the classic scene of Honey Ryder.
  • Posts: 1,817
    Creasy47 wrote:
    0013 wrote:
    It would be easy to have a R rated: call Marty to direct it an Joe Pesci to be Bond's ally. Add some nudity and voilà.

    But I think Bond movies souldn't be that violent or explicit. Certanly the books are not like that, neither Cubby's picture of the films.

    As long as Pesci murders someone with a pen, I'm in.

    It could be Frank Vincent.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    If you honestly believe Oswald shot and killed Kennedy then you are very naive and one dimensional ..do some research buddy

    You probably don't even know the real facts of the date in question. What a joke. Go on infowars and spam it up with your theories. Don't bring them here and make your own thread you created with another account go more off topic than it already has.
  • I had a coworker once who swore all the time and would use the "f word" in every sentence. What was interesting was the viciousness with which he said it. It really illuminated the old quote that swearing is the only way that a weak, uneducated mind can think of to make a point forcefully. If you're well-spoken and intelligent you can say say things that take a person's breath away without having to resort to clumsiness.

    I feel the same way about nudity and violence in a Bond film. I think that CR did a great job of making the violence more potent and real without having to show anything that would suit the TV show Dexter better. Seeing Bond all bloody after the stairwell fight was plenty effective, and still is now even though the immediate contrast to previous Bond films (when his hair wouldn't even get mussed) has diminished.

    As for Brosnan, as I recall he was strangely angry that they had to keep reshooting his love scene with Elektra because her nipple showed in the shot. He asked why it would have been so bad to have seen it but the obvious counterpoint is how would it have made the scene better?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I had a coworker once who swore all the time and would use the "f word" in every sentence. What was interesting was the viciousness with which he said it. It really illuminated the old quote that swearing is the only way that a weak, uneducated mind can think of to make a point forcefully. If you're well-spoken and intelligent you can say say things that take a person's breath away without having to resort to clumsiness.

    I feel the same way about nudity and violence in a Bond film. I think that CR did a great job of making the violence more potent and real without having to show anything that would suit the TV show Dexter better. Seeing Bond all bloody after the stairwell fight was plenty effective, and still is now even though the immediate contrast to previous Bond films (when his hair wouldn't even get mussed) has diminished.

    As for Brosnan, as I recall he was strangely angry that they had to keep reshooting his love scene with Elektra because her nipple showed in the shot. He asked why it would have been so bad to have seen it but the obvious counterpoint is how would it have made the scene better?
    Wait, hold the phone. So EON had a problem with Sophie showing some of her nipple in her clothing, but they completely went all in for Denise's wet t shirt in the climax?! What the hell?!?!

  • As for Brosnan, as I recall he was strangely angry that they had to keep reshooting his love scene with Elektra because her nipple showed in the shot. He asked why it would have been so bad to have seen it but the obvious counterpoint is how would it have made the scene better?
    Wait, hold the phone. So EON had a problem with Sophie showing some of her nipple in her clothing, but they completely went all in for Denise's wet t shirt in the climax?! What the hell?!?!

    It wouldn't have been EON, it would have been "the studio" concerned about the rating the film would receive. There's a big difference between seeing a naked nipple and seeing someone wearing a wet tee shirt (at least according to the film ratings boards). At least in North America you couldn't really see anything with Richard's wet shirt.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    As for Brosnan, as I recall he was strangely angry that they had to keep reshooting his love scene with Elektra because her nipple showed in the shot. He asked why it would have been so bad to have seen it but the obvious counterpoint is how would it have made the scene better?
    Wait, hold the phone. So EON had a problem with Sophie showing some of her nipple in her clothing, but they completely went all in for Denise's wet t shirt in the climax?! What the hell?!?!

    It wouldn't have been EON, it would have been "the studio" concerned about the rating the film would receive. There's a big difference between seeing a naked nipple and seeing someone wearing a wet tee shirt (at least according to the film ratings boards). At least in North America you couldn't really see anything with Richard's wet shirt.
    Oh yeah, nothing at all...

    http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/11800000/the-world-is-not-enough-denise-richards-11831724-1024-768.jpg
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Breasts have been shown many times in PG-13 films. I'm not suggesting they be in Bond films, but it's happened in the past. That does include earlier Bond movies, but I'm not talking about times that stretch back to the 60's.
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