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Bond Villain A vs. Bond Villain B (Chang vs. Gettler)

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  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Rosa Klebb

    More menacing and cruel hearted than Bunt, though both are very cold indeed. I enjoyed the fact that Klebb actually took it in a straight up fight against Bond instead of Bunt, who was always keeping her safe distance.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Rosa Klebb just seems a clear winner here, the Bunt character just failed to ignite
  • WVPoefWVPoef
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    She had her kicks Rosa klebb.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Let 's remind folks (who haven't read the novels) the poison knife tip in the shoe was Fleming's. It certainly suited the character, too.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    JBFan626 wrote:
    Lotte Lenya is an incredible actress and her Rosa Klebb is very memorable...But I have had to rethink this! Bunt is just so creepy to me. You always knew Klebb is the villain, almost to the point where she is over the top (I almost half expect her to break out into the Can-Can). I also thought the whole poison shoe thing was a bit campy. Why don't Bond and her start doing the Russian leg dance together!

    Bunt on the other hand always had this incredibly scary look in her eye. Plus she took away Bond's love.

    <b>Frau Iram Bunt</b> is the winner for more effective villainess.

    Yes, so affective she doesn't even exist afterwards. :-w

    I think the actress died after OHMSS was released.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    JBFan626 wrote:
    Lotte Lenya is an incredible actress and her Rosa Klebb is very memorable...But I have had to rethink this! Bunt is just so creepy to me. You always knew Klebb is the villain, almost to the point where she is over the top (I almost half expect her to break out into the Can-Can). I also thought the whole poison shoe thing was a bit campy. Why don't Bond and her start doing the Russian leg dance together!

    Bunt on the other hand always had this incredibly scary look in her eye. Plus she took away Bond's love.

    <b>Frau Iram Bunt</b> is the winner for more effective villainess.

    Yes, so affective she doesn't even exist afterwards. :-w

    I think the actress died after OHMSS was released.


    4 days after the international debut. Just another reason why DAF was completely botched in a sense of followup to OHMSS.

  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
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    DAF was botched. It was as if EON was trying to forget that the events of OHMSS ever took place. I mean come on. Bond loses the love of his life and the murderer never was brought to justice. Bunt never got her just deserts.
    I agree she was creepy...
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    DAF was botched. It was as if EON was trying to forget that the events of OHMSS ever took place. I mean come on. Bond loses the love of his life and the murderer never was brought to justice. Bunt never got her just deserts.
    I agree she was creepy...

    She couldn't have done, because the actress died. So you can't really blame EON for that one.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited June 2012 Posts: 12,837
    double post
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    DAF was botched. It was as if EON was trying to forget that the events of OHMSS ever took place. I mean come on. Bond loses the love of his life and the murderer never was brought to justice. Bunt never got her just deserts.
    I agree she was creepy...

    She couldn't have done, because the actress died. So you can't really blame EON for that one.
    Yes you can. We always had a different Blofeld, why not a fill-in Irma?
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    [Speaking to Grunther in German; translated to English] "Make sure that everyone is locked up. The guest is not to be disturbed. Even though you didn't find anything, be on your watch. The director must not be disturbed."
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited June 2012 Posts: 12,837
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    DAF was botched. It was as if EON was trying to forget that the events of OHMSS ever took place. I mean come on. Bond loses the love of his life and the murderer never was brought to justice. Bunt never got her just deserts.
    I agree she was creepy...

    She couldn't have done, because the actress died. So you can't really blame EON for that one.
    Yes you can. We always had a different Blofeld, why not a fill-in Irma?

    True, but none of the other actors who played Blofeld died did they (at least, not before they were replaced). Maybe they decided not to include her to respect the actress.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    DAF was botched. It was as if EON was trying to forget that the events of OHMSS ever took place. I mean come on. Bond loses the love of his life and the murderer never was brought to justice. Bunt never got her just deserts.
    I agree she was creepy...

    She couldn't have done, because the actress died. So you can't really blame EON for that one.
    Yes you can. We always had a different Blofeld, why not a fill-in Irma?

    True, but none of the other actors who played Blofeld died did they (at least, not before they were replaced). Maybe they decided not to include her to respect the actress.

    That is quite possibly the reason, but I'm sure that would have been botched just like everything else pertaining directly to Tracy.

    DAF has a certain level of charm for me when I watch it as a standalone movie. As out of shape as he is, Sir Sean is still my hero. Wint and Kidd are hilarious. Plenty is, well, Plenty. But in a sequel sense, it pales next to Quantum Of Solace, which for it's flaws never forgets about Vesper and doesn't insult us with a half-assed attempt to make us believe Blofeld met a fitting end.



  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    How about Carver vs Graves next?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited June 2012 Posts: 28,694
    Or Kaufman v.s. Graves, an somewhat even match.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I guess that works, too. I just want somebody to go up against Gustav Graves, because I want to see if anybody prefers him to another villain. I certainly prefer him to Goldfinger (then again, I hate Irma Bunt, and I prefer her to Goldfinger).
  • DB5DB5
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    How about Donald (Red) Grant vs Oddjob?
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Rosa Klebb used her poison-tipped bladed shoe to kick Irma Bunt dead!

    Next round: Elliot Carver vs. Gustav Graves
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Ohhh, this'll be tough...because they both aren't very good...
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    My vote goes to Elliot Carver without a doubt. He absolutely destroys Gustav Graves in all too many ways. The scene where he orders Gupta to set up Dr. Kauffman to kill Paris should say it all. He also had some terrific lines and dialogue with Brosnan, such as when they are in a stand-off on the Stealth Boat to trade Gupta for Wai Lin. That dialogue remains a series favorite for me.

    007: "Even trade, Elliot. Gupta for Wai Lin. You can't fire the missile without him."
    Carver: "And it seems you can't resist any woman in my posession."

    OUCH! Carver it is!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Carver.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Boy this is tough, so hard to choose. I'm going to say Elliot Carver despite some rather cheesy dialogue, I think Jonathon Pryce is a better actor. He had a black Blofeld outfit too, so Carver gets my vote.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Pryce's Carver character was a disaster, as much life and vigor as a cardboard box

    Stephen's Graves wasn't that much better, but I did like his character more. The Sword Fight with Brosnan also works in his favor. Carver just appeared non existent

    Graves Wins
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited July 2012 Posts: 2,629
    I vote for Elliot Carver because he wasn't the son of a North Korean general.
  • DRush76DRush76
    Posts: 533
    Honestly, I would pick Gustave Graves over Elliot Carver. The latter was simply too annoying to me.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
    edited July 2012 Posts: 1,492
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    Two aspects of the Brosnan era that sunk it below the waterline forever. I cant chose.

    What were they or the directors thinking?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Both are weak and not very memorable. But I am voting for Graves.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Hmm... Graves has good comedic value ("of course I want to bloody continue") but Carver wins this round. Underneeth the ham there's actually a really good villain. His speech about "the key to a great story" is good, as is the line: "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success". Not to mention the reference to William Randolph Herst.

    Elliot Carver
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Carver by a country mile!

    Although he is not from my favourite era, I thought Pryce was not bad casting and the idea of the media mogul being the central villain was not bad. TND is also Brozza's best outing, so overall an easy choice.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited July 2012 Posts: 28,694
    I am actually going with the bumper sticker spitting man...I mean Graves...Carver is just so droll and unbecoming. He has no danger about him at all, while Graves is at least capable of a scuffle. I just said something positive about DAD. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
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