SKYFALL: FANS' REACTIONS - GUARANTEED SPOILERS

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    No I haven't, @Samuel001. I don't tend to go to the Bond premiers anymore since the switch from summer to autumn. Can't abide all that standing around in poor weather.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Let's hope there's not a warm day coming up then. I'd hate for you to miss out.
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    bondsum wrote:
    lahaine wrote:
    bondsum wrote:
    I have to say I met him a few times long before he became Bond, not long after he worked on Lara Croft as a matter of fact. He used to work as a part-time barman in Notting Hill (Portobello Gold pub) in between acting jobs and had a flat somewhere North of there. I did find him a bit stand-offish and even though we discussed what it was like when Bill Clinton visited his pub he wasn't the most talkative when the subject came to acting. I know he really liked Abel Ferrara movies which we both shared at the time, but other than that he seemed rather aloof to me.

    he comes off rather not liking to chat about himself and rather shy. Maybe you talked a little too much Bondscum
    Grow up, troll. You don't know the facts as you weren't there.

    I apologise Bondsum, i mistyped your name. I hope i didn't offend you.
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    @lahaine Is an over defensive fanboy/girl. Just ignore him/her.

    Over Defensive over people who think Moore and Brosnan are great Bonds.
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    @Bondsum That's cool that you met him and spent a few hours in his company, i went to the SF Premiere and got his autograph but i only got to say good luck with the film to him and he replied thank you and then moved on but i was impressed with him because he tried his best to give everyone in my area an autograph, even when he got called away by the press he said i will come back in a bit and he did.
    doubleoego wrote:
    Nice review @Pierce2Daniel.

    My thoughts exactly.
  • lahaine wrote:
    @lahaine Is an over defensive fanboy/girl. Just ignore him/her.

    Over Defensive over people who think Moore and Brosnan are great Bonds.

    Well, at least Sir Roger was original in his approach :)


  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Okay this might clear up some arguments why Bond is a seasoned Agents. Yes 4 years passed since the Films QoS and Skyfall, but QoS still takes place in 2006 therefore making Skyfall take place 6 years after QoS not 4.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Murdock wrote:
    Okay this might clear up some arguments why Bond is a seasoned Agents. Yes 4 years passed since the Films QoS and Skyfall, but QoS still takes place in 2006 therefore making Skyfall take place 6 years after QoS not 4.

    I was going to ask how you got to this, but I forgot about the fifty-year old scotch that Bond and Silva share. This now makes me wonder what M "needed Bond" for at the end of QoS.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Okay this might clear up some arguments why Bond is a seasoned Agents. Yes 4 years passed since the Films QoS and Skyfall, but QoS still takes place in 2006 therefore making Skyfall take place 6 years after QoS not 4.

    I was going to ask how you got to this, but I forgot about the fifty-year old scotch that Bond and Silva share. This now makes me wonder what M "needed Bond" for at the end of QoS.

    Well alot of people on here asked how could Bond be a seasoned agent at the bottom of his game after 4 years and when I realized that QoS still takes place in 2006 as it's a direct sequel to CR so I thought I might clear up that thought.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Murdock, I remember the big question derived from the ticket to Greene's fundraiser in QoS. Does it say 2006 or 2008? I'm guessing with the continuation, it should be 2006, but for some reason, I remember it saying 2008.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @Murdock, I remember the big question derived from the ticket to Greene's fundraiser in QoS. Does it say 2006 or 2008? I'm guessing with the continuation, it should be 2006, but for some reason, I remember it saying 2008.

    Hmmmm I never heard of that.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Murdock, I really want to say that the date of the fundraiser is 2008, which makes me wonder if it took two years for Bond to track down Mr. White.
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    Track down? I thought he just threw him into the trunk of a car after Casino and drove into QoS... umm... you mean Casino actually ended in 2008? ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Tuulia wrote:
    Track down? I thought he just threw him into the trunk of a car after Casino and drove into QoS... umm... you mean Casino actually ended in 2008? ;)

    I'm saying it's a possibility that CR ended in 2008 if the charity fundraiser invitation in QoS has a 2008 on it.
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    Right, that's what I thought you were saying. :)
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    lahaine wrote:
    I apologise Bondsum, i mistyped your name. I hope i didn't offend you.
    Thank you, @lahaine. Apologies accepted. :)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Murdock wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @Murdock, I remember the big question derived from the ticket to Greene's fundraiser in QoS. Does it say 2006 or 2008? I'm guessing with the continuation, it should be 2006, but for some reason, I remember it saying 2008.

    Hmmmm I never heard of that.

    I never thought of that! Brilliant!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Nice! I figured a majority of us here knew that, so that's why I never posted it. But yes, that's the only way I could think of the two year gap: Bond took the two years to find him, and that's how QoS is a sequel of sorts, kicking it off immediately after he captures White (and the two year gap from Bond grieving over Vesper's death to arriving at White's villa).
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Nice! I figured a majority of us here knew that, so that's why I never posted it. But yes, that's the only way I could think of the two year gap: Bond took the two years to find him, and that's how QoS is a sequel of sorts, kicking it off immediately after he captures White (and the two year gap from Bond grieving over Vesper's death to arriving at White's villa).
    I really like that idea too, because it makes you feel like Bond has been a 00 much longer than we had originally thought. I would love to hear P&W and Haggis or EON to clear this up for sure.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, same here. I just wonder why the two year wait. I know it ties in with the times, but it makes me think that it took Bond that long to recuperate and grieve for Vesper. Then the revenge began, and yes, he was a 00 for a lot longer than we initially believed.
  • NicNac wrote:
    Great review @Pierce2Daniel.

    Good if you could cut n paste this into the Review thread

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/4494/skyfall-2012#Item_14

    :-)

    Thanks man, and the others who appreciated my review.
  • RC7RC7
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, same here. I just wonder why the two year wait. I know it ties in with the times, but it makes me think that it took Bond that long to recuperate and grieve for Vesper. Then the revenge began, and yes, he was a 00 for a lot longer than we initially believed.

    Think you're looking waaaay too much into this. There is no logical narrative reason. The films were made two years apart. That's it. He's wearing a different suit and driving a different car in QoS continuity was by no means paramount methinks.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @RC7, I also proposed that thought: that it was just a error on their part by putting 2008 on the fundraiser ticket. I'm not looking into it 'wayyyyy too much,' I just stated it earlier and got into a conversation about it with others. Why is it not a possibility?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Bond is still a rookie in QoS though, He wouldn't be that wreckless after two years. The way I see it CR-QoS (2006) Skyfall (2012) Even if this supposed ticket says 2008 it's a bad move by quality control. Why would Bond wait 2 years to catch White when he has him on a platter?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Murdock wrote:
    Bond is still a rookie in QoS though, He wouldn't be that wreckless after two years. The way I see it CR-QoS (2006) Skyfall (2012) Even if this supposed ticket says 2008 it's a bad move by quality control. Why would Bond wait 2 years to catch White when he has him on a platter?
    He only had his name though, on Vesper's phone.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote:
    Bond is still a rookie in QoS though, He wouldn't be that wreckless after two years. The way I see it CR-QoS (2006) Skyfall (2012) Even if this supposed ticket says 2008 it's a bad move by quality control. Why would Bond wait 2 years to catch White when he has him on a platter?
    He only had his name though, on Vesper's phone.

    I'm sure he could have had UK Government satellites track is cell number and track him to the Italian villa.
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    Murdock wrote:
    Bond is still a rookie in QoS though, He wouldn't be that wreckless after two years. The way I see it CR-QoS (2006) Skyfall (2012) Even if this supposed ticket says 2008 it's a bad move by quality control. Why would Bond wait 2 years to catch White when he has him on a platter?
    Wrong thread but who cares. As is eveident from Bond´s suit right at the beginning of QOS, the film takes its liberties. So it could easily project QOS´s background, i.e. CR, into 2008. Anyhow, Bond is impervious to time.

  • RC7RC7
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    boldfinger wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Bond is still a rookie in QoS though, He wouldn't be that wreckless after two years. The way I see it CR-QoS (2006) Skyfall (2012) Even if this supposed ticket says 2008 it's a bad move by quality control. Why would Bond wait 2 years to catch White when he has him on a platter?
    Wrong thread but who cares. As is eveident from Bond´s suit right at the beginning of QOS, the film takes its liberties. So it could easily project QOS´s background, i.e. CR, into 2008. Anyhow, Bond is impervious to time.

    Agreed.
  • Just saw SF for the second time today - when we got out there was a fair-sized lineup waiting to get in to the later matinee.

    Like both LTK and CR, after my first viewing of SF I was left thinking...wow, that was so...different. Each was so different from my expectations that I couldn't fully form my opinion until having had seen them a second time.

    So, having seen it a second time, what was my reaction? The same as the second time I saw LTK and CR - that was bloody incredible!

    I'll post more detailed thoughts later, but a few things that went through my head after it was over:

    1) I liked the music much better this time. There are some nice, sweeping themes during establishing shots but for the most part it's understated, which works very well for this film (no using the Bond theme four times in the first half hour like in TND). I still think that it could have sounded more "Bond-y" but it played better to me this time.

    2) Things that seemed strange or like plot holes made sense this time. For example, when Kincaid and M go through the priesthole he takes the flashlight with him and turns it on. But you don't see him using it on the moor until after Skyfall and the helicopter explode. The two of them watch and then turn away, their manner suggesting that they think "It's over now". Why would explain why Kincaid then lights the way to the chapel (although the uneven ground is another good reason!).

    3) Holy cow was the acting good in this! Everyone was at their top-level, even minor characters.

    4) Even when the film slows down, it still carries you along. The pacing is fantastic.

    5) When Bond parries Silva's advances with "What makes you think this is my first time?" Silva immediately drops that act and switches tack. Clearly it was only to try to throw Bond off his game and mess with him.

    6) Being able to concentrate more (because the shock of the unexpected has worn off) it was interesting and how great Craig was in changing his intonation during certain lines. There's a moment when his voice goes soft when talking to M during their roadside stop in Scotland. It's almost as if he switched into "child mode" as he was remembering growing up there. Again, fantastic performances all around.

    More later...
  • Just saw SF for the second time today - when we got out there was a fair-sized lineup waiting to get in to the later matinee.

    Like both LTK and CR, after my first viewing of SF I was left thinking...wow, that was so...different. Each was so different from my expectations that I couldn't fully form my opinion until having had seen them a second time.

    So, having seen it a second time, what was my reaction? The same as the second time I saw LTK and CR - that was bloody incredible!

    I'll post more detailed thoughts later, but a few things that went through my head after it was over:

    1) I liked the music much better this time. There are some nice, sweeping themes during establishing shots but for the most part it's understated, which works very well for this film (no using the Bond theme four times in the first half hour like in TND). I still think that it could have sounded more "Bond-y" but it played better to me this time.

    2) Things that seemed strange or like plot holes made sense this time. For example, when Kincaid and M go through the priesthole he takes the flashlight with him and turns it on. But you don't see him using it on the moor until after Skyfall and the helicopter explode. The two of them watch and then turn away, their manner suggesting that they think "It's over now". Why would explain why Kincaid then lights the way to the chapel (although the uneven ground is another good reason!).

    3) Holy cow was the acting good in this! Everyone was at their top-level, even minor characters.

    4) Even when the film slows down, it still carries you along. The pacing is fantastic.

    5) When Bond parries Silva's advances with "What makes you think this is my first time?" Silva immediately drops that act and switches tack. Clearly it was only to try to throw Bond off his game and mess with him.

    6) Being able to concentrate more (because the shock of the unexpected has worn off) it was interesting and how great Craig was in changing his intonation during certain lines. There's a moment when his voice goes soft when talking to M during their roadside stop in Scotland. It's almost as if he switched into "child mode" as he was remembering growing up there. Again, fantastic performances all around.

    More later...

    Two other quick points...

    1) For those who complain that Bond didn't care when Severine died, he's clearly upset. When Silva asks him for a reaction, there's a moment where he pauses and is it a loss for words. He turns his head away from Silva to cover this and then quips about the waste of scotch. Again, it continues the chess game between them of Silva doing anything to throw Bond off of his game and Bond parrying Silva's every move.

    2) One thing that disappointed me the first time that I saw it was that it wasn't as "fun" as I was expecting. On my second viewing I found it much more enjoyable, not at all as dark and dreary as I had first thought. The characters have to fight and earn their victories (big or small) and there's the sense - or threat - of things ending or changing, but like the end of LTK it just means that everything is earned and more satisfying. Again, like LTK, I can't think of any other Bond film that does this as well or has as much of a sense of a "journey" to it.
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