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I was going to pose that question yesterday but then I thought, I'm in such a good mood so why bother? I'm glad you took the iniciative @jetsetwilly.
The casino fight sort of comes out of nowhere. The film up until then had been fairly dark, then you get Severine's tragic backstory and Bond gets attacked, has a fight that has no sense of danger whatsoever, wins because of a gadget, steps on a komodo dragon and spouts two one liners in a row.
I like humour in Bond films and moments that make me smile. What I don't like is cringe-worthy silliness. I don't think SF had that.
I love DL obviously but I can see where you are coming from @Shardlake. I agree about the Q scene in that film. Why would DL risk his job for a man I'm not sure he really liked all that much?
Also, even before the Brosnan films, how many times did DL say "pay attention 007"?
Personally I think SF is a far better film than LTK if anything for its cinematography (though I still enjoy it). I even accept SF is a better film than GE (and I LOVE that film).
But ultimately a good film should stand up as a good film regardless.
I know Skyfall is popular, but so are McDonald's, Lady Gaga and Harry Potter.
I dunno, just wasn't my thing at all. Too dark and too jokey all at once, with a ridiculous ending.
I hope the future Craig films aren't like this, or I'll just do what I did with Brosnan and sit it out until they get good again!
I'm about to watch Dr. No for the first time within the next 1-2 days (just finished rewatching GoldenEye - ADORE that film!) so that should be great!
GE, isn't that the film where its too dark one minute, then too jokey the next?
And you think SF has a ridiculous ending? Your comments don't stack up, mate. Have you watched any of the other Bond films before, because it sounds to me like you haven't. You sound like an alien who has just landed on Planet Earth, and been told for the very first time that there is a fictional character called James Bond.
hm, well, think what you want :)
GoldenEye wasn't dark o.O
And yeah I think Skyfall does have a ridiculous ending... I know that sounds a bit harsh but... it's so similar to Home Alone. It just didn't feel like a James Bond movie.
But anyway I mean, I don't think either one of us will convince each other! All art is subjective at the end of the day, including movies. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that :)
Each to his own. I'm getting a bit sick if this constant barrage of abuse people receive for not liking Skyfall. Any other film is fair game, but a few of you act like you were personally involved in the production, and it is therefore hurtful for others to criticise it.
No, this is not about liking Skyfall or not. I have never attacked anybody for not liking Skyfall, as long as people are reasonable about it. This is about this guy posing as a big Bond fan and talking about what "feels" like a Bond film when in fact he just saw a couple of films, that's all.
I wouldn't go to Star Trek forums criticizing the latest film or judging what a ST film should or not fell/look like because I have no authority to do so. I'm not a Trekkie, and I didn't see all the films and series! So my opinion about them is simply as a standard cinema goer. The same thing applies to Bond and to the people who visit this forum.
We have members who are only here because of the video games, members who are only here because of Daniel Craig, we even have one member that's only here because of Adele. And lots of these members involve themselves with dicussions involving the movies.
So I don't see why @hoppimike can't have the right to come on these forums and talk about what feels like a Bond film even though he hasn't seen them all.
He's liked some of the films he's seen enough to have joined a fan forum about it so what's the problem? And at least he's here because of Bond instead of Adele or a Bond actor.
You know, you have a point. You can compare the same argument to FYEO, which had a much more down to Earth story without outrageous gadgets and villains, but then film would throw in some strange humour like the hockey goons, or the talking parrot.
But I disagree to an extent about the humour-drama balance. Skyfall had a more over-the-top ostentatious villain in Silva and the PTS had some lighter moments as well, so I think that set the tone. FRWL was a pretty serious Bond film overall, but still had some humorous moments, like "The mechanism is... Oh James, James... Will you make love to me all the time in England?" Humour has always been part of the Bond tradition. But I get what your saying abou the "dark" look of the film: all the Underground shots, the nightime shots, the dimly lit interiors.
He criticised SF. Not sure there would be such a hoo-hah over AVTAK.
Thank you for the friendly post :)
I know I've been a bit harsh on Skyfall and I know I'm not as well-versed in the Bond movies as a lot of you. Truth is I just loved the Bond movies I HAVE seen and adored CR and QoS and felt let down by Skyfall, that's all.
Of course, I like a lot of different movies and games and what-not and there are a LOT of Bond films, so I mean, I think there will be a lot of people who have only seen a scattering of them.
I'll try not to lay into Skyfall as much... to be honest I don't know why it bothered me as much as it did o.O
With the DVD coming out I thought all this immaculate best Bond ever hype would be dying down by now to be honest.
He saw a couple of them. A couple of Bond films. Therefore I think he has the right to say if he doesn't think it feels like a Bond film.
If he'd said "SF feels like pure Bond" then I doubt you'd be saying "you can't say that because you haven't seen them all" It's just because he's taken a negative view you'vd decided to bring that up and use it against him.
Truthfully I think I've seen... 7 Bond films and will watch my 8th soon. So not only a couple lol
Plus I played the GoldenEye and QoS video games to death haha ^^
Risky thing to say, @Sandy, but to be fair, I understand where you come from. It takes multiple viewings of all the Bonds and - preferably - at least one passage through all the Fleming novels, before having built up sufficient legitimacy to convincingly analyse the Bondian qualities of a Bond film on a forum crowded with Bond connoisseurs. I'd almost argue that induction, which seems to be @hoppimike's MO, is in these matters weaker than deduction, to which most of us cling.
Well, to be honest, anyone who's seen for example all four of the Brosnans and all three of the Craigs is still far away from 'knowing his Bond' so to speak. It really helps if you've seen them all in the double (or even triple) digits, like most of us. ;-)
Honestly, the games don't matter. ;-)
Its getting more and more not a discussion about topics, but a battle between people, who seem to have taken a dislike towards each other. I always know in advance, who will answer to what I write and more or less, what. Maybe its the other way around, too, but it gets tiring. I have my shadows following me and maybe should be more flattered...hm..
The way out? Not taking stuff personal. Its all just opinions. Peace folks..
I'm afraid I think GoldenEye is utter dross, but the comparison with SF is still apt. I wouldn't quite put SF in the same category as GE purely because Craig is an infinitely better Bond, but I find both films very disappointing.
It just seems you are setting yourselves up for a fall if you haven't.
I wonder which films would be Fleming's favourites :-)
Hmmm... the only 'old films ' it reminded me of were the Purvis and Wade-plotted catastophes of the Brosnan era.
I felt like SF had the best written dialogue of all the Purvis and Wade Bonds, possibly because of John Logan.
It's the great thing about Bond fans. I can't see why you don't like Skyfall and you and I both can't see why others don't like Goldeneye.
It would have been the predictable thing for Kincade to die. I was half expecting it. When Silva walked into the church and shot the wall next to Kincade I half jumped out of my seat. I'm very glad he didn't die. It would have been too much for Bond for sure