Skyfall, past Bond references???

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  • I think bond adjust his cuffs in some of the cutscenes from Goldeneye 64.
  • oo7oo7
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    I think bond adjust his cuffs in some of the cutscenes from Goldeneye 64.
    I am with grinderman now we are adding stuff to nothing here, you will all go into this film believing that things are direct references to old bond that has nothing much to do with anything
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    Sinatra adjusted his cuffs in the original "Oceans 11", so this is a clear sign that EON is trying to tell us that Craig's Bond is a Sinatra fan! It's so obvious!!
  • It seems like such a Bondian thing to do, like Sean putting the flower in his lapel as he rides the elevator in DAF, but I can't seem to recall when Bond shot his cuffs. He must have done it at some point and in a fairly obvious way...

    He's probably done it in one of the casino scenes or something. It really does remind me of Brosnan straightening his tie but I doubt that's a reference.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Ahh, I just recalled, Craig does adjust his cuffs at the poker table in CR, after he changes because of the damage his clothes received in the stairwell fight.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Ahh, I just recalled, Craig does adjust his cuffs at the poker table in CR, after he changes because of the damage his clothes received in the stairwell fight.

    As has every man who's ever put on a tuxedo.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Grinderman, we were trying to figure out a scene when he adjusted his cuffs. We aren't speaking about people who do it in real life, not sure why you tried to reveal the obvious.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Maybe the cuff thing could become Craigs trademark, like Brosnans tie straightening, Moore's eyebrow, etc.
    Grinderman wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Ahh, I just recalled, Craig does adjust his cuffs at the poker table in CR, after he changes because of the damage his clothes received in the stairwell fight.

    As has every man who's ever put on a tuxedo.

    If you're just going to post sarcy comments, shoot down ever reference suggestion and generally just act like a dick, why hang around this thread? You've made your point, you don't think there are references, so now just move along.
  • It seems like such a Bondian thing to do, like Sean putting the flower in his lapel as he rides the elevator in DAF, but I can't seem to recall when Bond shot his cuffs. He must have done it at some point and in a fairly obvious way...

    Sean did it after the shocking line...sure of it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @thelivingroyale, I agree. We are talking about Bond and the Bond world, not real life, not other films, but Bond and the references we spot in the SF trailer, and eventually the film. This led to the derailment of the other thread, so there's no point in being here if you don't want to share said references with us.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 165
    I'm not trying to be a dick, just pointing out that there is a difference between references, signatures, and simply two things that are the same.

    For example, Field's death by oil was direct reference to Goldfinger (and a pretty obvious one at that, unfortunately).

    Bond wearing a tux, or saying "Bond......James Bond", or having a car filled with techy gadgets, are signatures of the Bond series.

    The fact that Bond straightens his cuffs, gets tied to chair, or for that matter, speaks in an British accent and shoots right-handed, is nothing more than something that is the same between movies.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Grinderman wrote:
    or having a car filled with techy gadgets

    But if it's the same car (DB5), then it's a reference to past films the car has been in.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I just don't see how people don't make a connection or see a reference in the palm reading PPK.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited August 2012 Posts: 4,512
    Bond girl said something Cigar girl said in The World Is Not Enough about afraid for villian.

    Judi Dench's look and having glass in her hand with talking with another chacter remember me to Twine too when she talk with Bond.

    M looking to villian in cage - In Twine it be the other way around, Villian looking to M in a cage.

    Statue's - Statue's Goldeneye

    Bond waiting on some one who comes outside of some elivator - Bond is waiting on Janus in GE

    Swimming pool - Swimming pool Goldeneye

    Showing Mi6 bulding - Twine.
    M behind the PC - Casino Royale
    Beer water - Die Another Day under the ice.
    Helicopter - Helicopter DAD


    In Another thread i wrote something about grave machiene be a symbol of DC era. Look like a train be symbol too. In QOS you can see a train station with a train. A boat be a Pervis and Wade symbol and nice to see there also find a way to have a boat in Skyfall.
  • doubleonothingdoubleonothing Los Angeles
    edited August 2012 Posts: 864
    Grinderman wrote:
    I'm not trying to be a dick, just pointing out that there is a difference between references, signatures, and simply two things that are the same.

    For example, Field's death by oil was direct reference to Goldfinger (and a pretty obvious one at that, unfortunately).


    Bond wearing a tux, or saying "Bond......James Bond", or having a car filled with techy gadgets, are signatures of the Bond series.

    The fact that Bond straightens his cuffs, gets tied to chair, or for that matter, speaks in an British accent and shoots right-handed, is nothing more than something that is the same between movies.

    I agree. There are some obvious references, which are different to staples from the series, just as there are things that are just there and we shouldn't read too much into them.

    The DB5 is a reference, but also a series staple now. It's not like they've just brought it back for Skyfall. The palm reader PPK is a reference to LTK but also a ref to DN and a series staple. Bond being cuffed to his chair is probably just Bond being cuffed to a chair.
  • Creasy47 wrote:
    I just don't see how people don't make a connection or see a reference in the palm reading PPK.

    Ha ha ha if you want a chat or company just say so....but don't deny the most obvious reference ever in the history of ever dude.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @forgotmyusername, I'm confused by your statement.
  • Creasy47 wrote:
    @forgotmyusername, I'm confused by your statement.

    I forgot to read don't in ur quote...so I agree with u
  • HMBFFHMBFF Lisboa, Portugal
    edited August 2012 Posts: 204
    There's a user on the other Bond forum, Shrublands, that have a very interesting theory about Sévérine but mostly he found out the most amazing and subtle reference (reference or not, it's up to you to judge) that you'll probably see in Skyfall. Quoting his post, here's what he says:
    When we see her at the Shanghai Airport, she hands a briefcase to Patrice on the escalator. We’ve established that this is probably a payoff for an assassination.
    She then takes a business man back to her hotel room and waits for the sniper's bullet.

    She is selling stolen art and using it as bait to trap an assassination victim.

    In the Imax trailer, after the window of her room has been shot out, you can see a large painting leaning against the wall in the background. I recognised it as a Modigliani. So I thought I’d run a search for stolen famous art in general and Modigliani in particulate.
    Well, I’ve found the painting.

    It’s ‘Women with Fan’ by Modigliani which was stolen from the Musee d’art Moderne Paris.

    http://artitis.wordpress.com/tag/stolen-modigliani/

    In the above article, the writer even says that he suspects that the stolen painting will end-up in China.
    There seems to be a reoccurring theme regarding famous paintings in Skyfall.

    And using a real life stolen work of art is a nice reference to Dr No.
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    The cuffs, the cuffs - look can we cut to the chase, somebody open a category to deal with the cuffs! Meanwhile anybody notice the suicide mission reference?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Slightly off topic but.... GoldenEye had references to Goldfinger!

    Those High pitch techno hit sounds used in the score and gunbarrel music? Flangered edits of the opening notes from Goldfinger's gunbarrel music! and of course the DB5

    As for Skyfall's Past Bond references, better played than Die Another Day that's for sure.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    edited August 2012 Posts: 7,854
    MartinBond wrote:
    M writing Bond's obituary - Tomorrow Never Dies (Carver writing Bond's) not M, so no reference.

    Why does it matter that it's M writing the obituary? Why isn't the obituary itself a reference?
    MartinBond wrote:
    Bond Dies - You Only Live Twice. Bond dying was a plan in YOLT, in skyfall it isn't, so no reference.

    I could maybe accept this, but I don't see why it can't be a reference.
    MartinBond wrote:
    Explosion at MI6 HQ - The World Is Not Enough this might be, altough really thin.

    Again, I don't see why it can't be a reference.
    MartinBond wrote:
    Scorpion - Diamonds Are Forever part of the drinking game, so definately no reference.

    But I'm certain you say that the scorpions in DAD are a reference to DAF. I mean, after all, they were used on Bond, not a dentist who's a part of a diamond smuggling operation, the connection is obvious.
    MartinBond wrote:
    To Q, "You must be joking" - Goldfinger This is a school example of a reference.

    I have nothing to say here, we're in agreement.
    MartinBond wrote:
    DB5 - Goldfinger Same as above.

    Again, nothing to say.
    MartinBond wrote:
    Bond being issued PPK - Dr. No. Don't know for sure, if it's replacing his current gun, maybe.

    I see this as a reference, since, like in DN, Bond's previous gun is being replaced by the PPK (though, in this case, a PPK is being replaced by a PPK).
    MartinBond wrote:
    Palm reading gun - Licence to Kill Definately.

    I honestly forget there's a palm reading gun in LTK, so I can't say anything here.
    MartinBond wrote:
    "Be careful of what you wish for" - Quantum of Solace. Just script overlapping. In this logic, "Bond, James Bond" should be a reference too.

    I agree here, though they may have been thinking of the scene in question when the new one was written.
    MartinBond wrote:
    Bond, tied to a chair, with Silva - Casino Royale. Definately not.

    Much like the above example, I agree, but they may have had the CR scene in mind.
    MartinBond wrote:
    Silva next to fallen statue - GoldenEye. Thin, but I'll count it in.

    Maybe. It could be a reference, but it doesn't need to be. Though if it were the case, if I stand next to a fallen statue, it's a reference to GoldenEye.
    MartinBond wrote:
    Train top fight - Octopussy This is a big one.

    I'll allow it ((c)Mills Lane)
    MartinBond wrote:
    Shower sex scene - AVTAK. No.

    It could be a reference to AVTAK, or a reference to the Bond/Vesper scene in CR. Or neither.
    MartinBond wrote:
    Secluded villain's island - Dr. No / TMWTGG. Not really.

    I was completely unaware a villain's secluded island was a location in Skyfall, but why can't it be a reference to DN/YOLT/LALD/TMWTGG?
    MartinBond wrote:
    Scotland locations w/ Helicopter - FRWL. Very thin.

    Maybe, maybe not.
    MartinBond wrote:
    Stag statue - Thunderball Unless he flies over it or mentions it, no reference.

    Maybe, maybe not.
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    Wow! Just watched the trailer, and I can`t believe EON are making another Bond with past refferences....this will upset a few people around here!
    DAD part 2 anyone? (runs and hides in a tree!)
    Seriously, I`m none to keen on the idea myself. And, I see Dench has put her overdramatic stamp on it with her trademark "bloody" and "what the hell" remarks. Jeez....
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    Doesn't anyone think that the obituary might be a reference to Fleming's You Only Live Twice? You know, where there's a massive obituary from M in The Times? Or doesn't anyone read the books anymore?

    Also, between the end of YOLT and TMWTGG books Bond is missing, presumed dead.

    My thoughts exactly - didn't even think of TND!
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    Bond running--all Bond films.
    Bond shooting--all Bond films.
    Bond wearing a tux--all Bond films.

    Okay, I'm not in the spirit of this thread. A reference is a deliberate reminder of a previous film. We saw a few of those very clearly in Casino Royale in order to link the new Bond with the old: Bond coming out of the water (DN), the classic Aston Martin, Goldfinger look-alike with Land Rover and at the bar, etc. At this point in the Craig series, I don't believe the producers are trying to reference previous films. Similarities are not references. Did the same thing in OHMSS with opening credits and Lazenby looking at memorabilia from previous adventures.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 774
    I agree with @CrabKey. I think we can only call something a reference if it's intentional. Everything else is an 'incidental' reference; a reference is there if you look closely enough but whatever it is is not intentionally included as a 'reference'. For example, the scorpion is an 'incidental' reference, while "You must be joking" is an intentional reference.

    Inclusion of the DB5, I feel is a character thing (it's his car, it's part of his identity as 'Bond') rather than a reference but I completely understand and support people saying it's a reference.
  • I more or less agree with you @Volante, with some references being incidental, etc. But I'd say the DB5 IS a reference, just one that's been used before. I don't think it's really a character thing because he didn't drive it for ages.
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    CrabKey wrote:
    Bond running--all Bond films.
    Bond shooting--all Bond films.
    Bond wearing a tux--all Bond films.

    Okay, I'm not in the spirit of this thread. A reference is a deliberate reminder of a previous film. We saw a few of those very clearly in Casino Royale in order to link the new Bond with the old: Bond coming out of the water (DN), the classic Aston Martin, Goldfinger look-alike with Land Rover and at the bar, etc. At this point in the Craig series, I don't believe the producers are trying to reference previous films. Similarities are not references. Did the same thing in OHMSS with opening credits and Lazenby looking at memorabilia from previous adventures.

    Yes. Thank you! The point I've been trying to make, but expressed much clearer.

    The argument here isn't so much Bond trivia based, it's a question of the proper use of the english language (and yes, I admit right up front I'm a bit of a language geek.) If you want to point out similarites between films, great. But you defeat your argument (and confuse a lot of people) by continuing to misuse words like "reference".
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 12,526
    I saw a few to me that reminded me of other films, but not to an over the top extent which pleases me. No doubt there may be one i have missed? But will enjoy realising them as i watch the film more in the future.
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    it's all just lazy rehash, so much for the great script and making the best bond film we can.
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