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  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    The whole bike ride/chopper chase in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe it's me, but I always find the whole sequence mundane and boring and it goes on far too long. See Kenworth tanker trucks chase in License to Kill for a good equivalent. Also Brosnan and Yeoh's escape from the Carver building in Saigon and drop down the outside of said building/Carver poster, and Brosnan's exaggerations as though he had just run the New York marathon. Yes it's an easy movie to berate, but I do wish some scenes had been omitted
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Master_Dahark wrote:
    Off the top of my head? Jaws & Dolly in Moonraker. Even Roger had a WTF look on his face

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    Ha, that reminds me of DAD when Halle says " I think i got the THRUST of it". Brozza looks annoyed in his next shot a few seconds later (can you really blame him).
  • largo2largo2
    Posts: 469
    Bond in space ? Just cause everyone was getting all excited about the space race, and yes the film did ok in the box office, I thought it was a little far fetched. Also why start Bond off in FYEO at the church yard ? Do not do it unless you were going to follow through with it as the story of the film.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    The whole bike ride/chopper chase in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe it's me, but I always find the whole sequence mundane and boring and it goes on far too long. See Kenworth tanker trucks chase in License to Kill for a good equivalent. Also Brosnan and Yeoh's escape from the Carver building in Saigon and drop down the outside of said building/Carver poster, and Brosnan's exaggerations as though he had just run the New York marathon. Yes it's an easy movie to berate, but I do wish some scenes had been omitted

    Just adding my opinion: I like TND a lot and I especially enjoy the bike ride/chopper chasse. I thought it was exciting, fun, and well paced.

  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    Posts: 1,874
    4EverBonded wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    The whole bike ride/chopper chase in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe it's me, but I always find the whole sequence mundane and boring and it goes on far too long. See Kenworth tanker trucks chase in License to Kill for a good equivalent. Also Brosnan and Yeoh's escape from the Carver building in Saigon and drop down the outside of said building/Carver poster, and Brosnan's exaggerations as though he had just run the New York marathon. Yes it's an easy movie to berate, but I do wish some scenes had been omitted

    Just adding my opinion: I like TND a lot and I especially enjoy the bike ride/chopper chasse. I thought it was exciting, fun, and well paced.

    I too like it, thought it was a great, thrilling piece of action. Only bit I'm curious about is the enigmatic smile giving by the Chinese lady after Bond and Lin have just demolished her room!
  • bondsumbondsum
    Posts: 3,333
    largo2 wrote:
    Bond in space ? Just cause everyone was getting all excited about the space race, and yes the film did ok in the box office, I thought it was a little far fetched. Also why start Bond off in FYEO at the church yard ? Do not do it unless you were going to follow through with it as the story of the film.
    The space race between Russia and the USA was long over by the time MR was released. That was more YOLT in 1967 than MR. However, I agree that the whole secret space station was a step too far along with the throwaway scene of Tracy's grave in FYEO.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited August 2012 Posts: 6,304
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    The whole bike ride/chopper chase in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe it's me, but I always find the whole sequence mundane and boring and it goes on far too long. See Kenworth tanker trucks chase in License to Kill for a good equivalent. Also Brosnan and Yeoh's escape from the Carver building in Saigon and drop down the outside of said building/Carver poster, and Brosnan's exaggerations as though he had just run the New York marathon. Yes it's an easy movie to berate, but I do wish some scenes had been omitted

    Motorcycle chases rarely work onscreen. See Batman or The Bourne Legacy for the latest examples.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Add to that the stealth boat finale and despite all the action, Tomorrow Never Dies gets it all wrong. That's coming after some pretty good work in GoldenEye too.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    echo wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    The whole bike ride/chopper chase in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe it's me, but I always find the whole sequence mundane and boring and it goes on far too long. See Kenworth tanker trucks chase in License to Kill for a good equivalent. Also Brosnan and Yeoh's escape from the Carver building in Saigon and drop down the outside of said building/Carver poster, and Brosnan's exaggerations as though he had just run the New York marathon. Yes it's an easy movie to berate, but I do wish some scenes had been omitted

    Motorcycle chases rarely work onscreen. See Batman or The Bourne Legacy for the latest examples.

    I liked the chase in Batman and in TND (Bourne Legacy isn't out yet over here), and I think motorbike chases do work.
  • BondWillReturnBondWillReturn
    Posts: 816
    Here's a scene I could have done without:

    Happy Felix at the end of Licence to Kill.

    It's totally wrong for the movies' dark and gritty vibe, and it's also out of character. Felix has just lost wife and limb in an extremely horrible situation, and Bond went on a vengeance trip for him. Yet he's happy, checking out the nurse, talking about going fishing.

    I understand they want te audience to know Leiter was still alive. But it could have been done way better.

    I myself came up with this scene to replace it:

    Bond recieves a call from the hospital. A nurse or doctor talks to him. In the BG we see Felix. They tell Bond that Felix is going to make it, but that he'll be wheelchair bound for the rest of his live. Giving the nature of his injuries, and how he came about them, they figure Felix could really use a friend right now, someone whose around him, helps him get back on his feet (not literally ofcourse), to which Bond promtly replies "Yes, I'll be there!"

    See: this is more dramatic, realistic, and we have Bond really comitting to a friend, helping them in a way that has nothing to do with their violent line of work. Maybe it's too melodramatic, but it just seems like a fitting end to the Bond/Leiter connection.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    All of Q in LTK.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    Posts: 1,874
    echo wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    The whole bike ride/chopper chase in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe it's me, but I always find the whole sequence mundane and boring and it goes on far too long. See Kenworth tanker trucks chase in License to Kill for a good equivalent. Also Brosnan and Yeoh's escape from the Carver building in Saigon and drop down the outside of said building/Carver poster, and Brosnan's exaggerations as though he had just run the New York marathon. Yes it's an easy movie to berate, but I do wish some scenes had been omitted

    Motorcycle chases rarely work onscreen. See Batman or The Bourne Legacy for the latest examples.

    What! Motorcycle chases are far more exciting than car chases, they are more dangerous to those involved and there is a certain vulnerability being on a bike. I love motorcycle chases and would rather sit through a dozen of them than another car chase with police cars crashing into each other ad nauseam!
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    DarthDimi wrote:
    All of Q in LTK.

    Why? I love the Q scenes in LTK, they're funny and they show Q cares about Bond.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    The Moneypenny / M Briefing in GE. The PC stench is too overpowering. I know it's the 90's, but don't make Bond look weak.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    All of Q in LTK.

    Why? I love the Q scenes in LTK, they're funny and they show Q cares about Bond.

    True, and I would have praised these scenes in almost every other Bond film. But LTK's darker and more dramatic take on Bond, combined with a persistent tone of revenge and pure rage, is suddenly disturbed when out of the blue, happy fun turns up in the form of Q. In a film where Bond puts a knife against a beautiful girl's throat and brutally threatens to gut her if she makes a sound, I could have done without explosive toothpaste or a microphone concealed in a broomstick.

  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
    Posts: 2,635
    QoS M and Bond's Scene near the ending. that was just plot.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    QoS M and Bond's Scene near the ending. that was just plot.

    That's the point! You don't like it because it is plot and adds to the story? What? And not to mention that ending scene is the best part of the film.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
    Posts: 2,635
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    QoS M and Bond's Scene near the ending. that was just plot.

    That's the point! You don't like it because it is plot and adds to the story? What? And not to mention that ending scene is the best part of the film.

    Nope, sorry. i meant it was unnecessary plot.

    The ending is good, but i meant NEAR the ending. just before Bond heads up to Greene's hotel.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    QoS M and Bond's Scene near the ending. that was just plot.

    That's the point! You don't like it because it is plot and adds to the story? What? And not to mention that ending scene is the best part of the film.

    Agreed. The two last scenes are the best in the movie.

  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Brosnan and those stupid X ray specs from The World Is Not Enough, what was the point of that even, apart from Bond having a better glimpse of some Casino girls (and why were they carrying weapons), 'Mr Zukofsky would be delighted to see you'.. Not really necessary

    The long boring rescue on the Liparus tanker as Bond frees the various crews, that seemed to go on forever, The Spy Who Loved Me

    Any attempt by Xenia Onatopp to dispatch men with her thighs, Bond included

    Any showing of David Hedison in Live and Let Die
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    Posts: 1,874
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    Any showing of David Hedison in Live and Let Die

    Actually I liked DH in LALD, I think he worked well with old Roger, what I didn't like was bringing him back for LTK, that was a mistake on the part of the producers who should have kept the actor (John Terry) from TLD, who was more suited to Dalton's Bond and closer in age. DH was like Dalt's grandad! That is the only serious issue I have with LTK (oh, and that they changed the title from Licence Revoked).
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    Brosnan and those stupid X ray specs from The World Is Not Enough, what was the point of that even, apart from Bond having a better glimpse of some Casino girls (and why were they carrying weapons), 'Mr Zukofsky would be delighted to see you'.. Not really necessary

    The long boring rescue on the Liparus tanker as Bond frees the various crews, that seemed to go on forever, The Spy Who Loved Me

    Any attempt by Xenia Onatopp to dispatch men with her thighs, Bond included

    Any showing of David Hedison in Live and Let Die
    WHAT?! @Baltimore_007 criticized LALD?!?! Batten the hatches, the apocalypse is here!
  • largo2largo2
    Posts: 469
    BondWillReturn wrote:
    Here's a scene I could have done without:

    Happy Felix at the end of Licence to Kill.

    It's totally wrong for the movies' dark and gritty vibe, and it's also out of character. Felix has just lost wife and limb in an extremely horrible situation, and Bond went on a vengeance trip for him. Yet he's happy, checking out the nurse, talking about going fishing.

    I understand they want te audience to know Leiter was still alive. But it could have been done way better.

    I myself came up with this scene to replace it:

    Bond recieves a call from the hospital. A nurse or doctor talks to him. In the BG we see Felix. They tell Bond that Felix is going to make it, but that he'll be wheelchair bound for the rest of his live. Giving the nature of his injuries, and how he came about them, they figure Felix could really use a friend right now, someone whose around him, helps him get back on his feet (not literally ofcourse), to which Bond promtly replies "Yes, I'll be there!"

    See: this is more dramatic, realistic, and we have Bond really comitting to a friend, helping them in a way that has nothing to do with their violent line of work. Maybe it's too melodramatic, but it just seems like a fitting end to the Bond/Leiter connection.

    Sounds good to me - I have to agree if I was Felix and I have just lost my leg and wife then the last thing I would be wanting to do is smile and flirt with the nurses


  • SharkySharky
    Posts: 266
    The two which grate on me most are Jaws and Dolly and the CGI ice surfing, they are the most cringe worthy IMO. there are plenty of scenes we could do without and i think the majority have already been mentioned, but i think i could live with just about all of them but the two i mentioned make me cringe.
  • SJK91SJK91
    edited August 2012 Posts: 1,310
    Despite my love for the franchise, there are quite a number of scenes I could live without. That's right...it's a film by film breakdown.

    Dr. No - None. Probably a surprise to many of you as DN is admittedly a slower film, but for some reason it has worked for me

    From Russia With Love - None

    Goldfinger - None...yes - I love GF

    Thunderball - Cut the underwater scenes' runtime by 50%

    You Only Live Twice - That helicopter battle has aged terribly - worse than the DN rear-projections if you ask me. An overall trim of 5-10 minutes

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service - Less of Bond imitating Hillary Bray...or dropping the dubbed voice altogether

    Diamonds Are Forever - The scene where the woman turns into an ape (what the hell was that all about?), Blofeld as a woman; the whole movie needed about 10-15 minutes trimmed come to think of it

    Live and Let Die - The majority of JW Pepper, Rosie's scenes, the plane escape scene with the old woman, snip the boat chase in half...another one that could have benefitted from an overall trimming of roughly 10-15 minutes

    The Man with the Golden Gun - The slide whistle (naturally), all of JW Pepper, sumo wrestler's ass cheeks, Mary Goodnight's talking scenes etc.

    The Spy Who Loved Me - Moore's line, "I've had lunch, but I've seemed to have missed dessert." Ick. Jaws dropping the rock on his feet

    Moonraker - The 'Bondola', all of the scenes with Jaws and Goldie Locks, Magnificent Seven music, the horrible cable car fight, Jaws' reaction face when he realizes he's about to go over the waterfall

    For Your Eyes Only - The pre-titles sequence and Margaret Thatcher, either get rid of Bibi or reduce her screen-time dramatically

    Octopussy - George of the Jungle wail, checking his watch in the gorilla suit, the hot air balloon

    A View to a Kill - Beach boys, Tanya Robert's scenes, Bond and May Day's love scene (yikes), the French cab driver, those AWFUL fistfights especially the one at the stables, firetruck chase with the stupid sheriff

    The Living Daylights - Love the film, but was never too keen on the cello case or the scene where the Aston uses the garage as cover. Also where the busty russian agent stuffs the guy in her cleavage to distract him...meh. Sorry, TLD, I'm nitpicky only because I love you ;)

    Licence to Kill - "I love James SOOO much!", Dalton's line "Looks like he came to a dead end", Felix in the hospital at the end, the winking fish

    GoldenEye - I'd say cut Boris' screen-time by at least half if not more

    Tomorrow Never Dies - Cut down the bike chase and the final gun battle by half

    The World Is Not Enough - The awkward ski action scene, Brosnan and Elektra's confrontation ("Drop the act!")

    Die Another Day - All of Halle Berry's scenes, CGI parasailing, the virtual Moneypenny/Bond love scene, cut down the amount of one liners by roughly 75%

    Casino Royale - Honestly, none

    Quantum of Solace - All of Gregory Beam's scenes
  • Goldeneye95Goldeneye95
    edited January 2013 Posts: 546
    License to Kill-The Winking Fish
  • Sammm04Sammm04
    Posts: 479
    Anything featued in Quantum Of Solace, I will never watch that film again.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
    Posts: 3,144
    The stupid Kung fu by carver in TND is the only bit of a bond movie that gets me narked .
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited January 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Why Beam's scenes in QoS? I thought he was the perfect foil to Felix, and showed how loyal Felix was in giving Bond the information he needed on Greene, going against the wishes of the CIA and Beam.
    Sammm04 wrote:
    Anything featued in Quantum Of Solace, I will never watch that film again.

    Oh, a little harsh, aren't we?
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    I could've done without the boat chase in QOS. Just didn't think it was very good. I'd keep the plane chase but I'd take out the free fall (which looked really naff I thought) and just have them destroy the other planes and crash land next to the sink hole or something.

    I'd also cut out the bit in QOS where Mathis says his name is a code name.
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