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Never saw that, I'm sorry, but on the other hand I loved the Batman Animated Series.
Same here! I worship at the throne of Bruce Timm and Paul Dini. The DCAU is my all time favorite set of comic book adaptations from any medium, but I’ve mentioned that thousands of time already :))
True, but it's not like the script willed itself to put Clark in a corner where he was pressured into killing as a last resort. That's all on the writers. And as it was told, it felt kind of unearned.
I have my issues with the Reeve films, but they at least got to tone and jovial attitude right. I simply have no interest in a version of Superman that mopes about the burdens of being a savior and listening to his parents express Ayn Rand sentiments. As bad as that CGI lip was, at least Joss Whedon presented Superman as someone that was enthralled in his role as a superhero. The closest we got that with Snyder Supes was when he flew for the first time, and I feel like we were robbed of more moments like that.
Man, Supes waited til the last second while Zod was trying to evaporate a family stuck in a corner...
Zack showed a realistic version of Superman, also because there’s a very realistic portrayal of how the public opinion would react in such a scenario. Without mentioning that BvS was just the second chapter within a larger 5 film story arc. Superman in JL2 would’ve been much more lighter.
I think the consensus is that the DCAU did the best job of cherry-picking the most worthwhile aspects of DC comics and translating them into moving pictures. The Timm shows were able to honor the comics without having to slavishly follow them. That distance is what's missing in the current DC animated films--they're tied too closely to what the comics are doing and have been obligated to adapt material that either doesn't translate well into animation or doesn't deserve to be adapted in the first place. There have also been some faithful adaptations that were dutiful but unexciting.
Additionally, since the animated films are being steadily cranked out, the powers-that-be have not allocated budgets that allow the look of the comics to be truly emulated. Timm's style worked beautifully because it was designed with limited TV budgets in mind. The current films either go for an anime-influenced style that's far from the comics or with a half-assed comic-book look that doesn't do justice to the original illustrations (as in the film of The Killing Joke).
+1 on everything you just said, although I’d also add the lack of Paul Dini as another reason why I feel the new DC Animated Movies just don’t hit the mark.
That’s the thing: I’m simply not interested in a “realistic” version of Superman. I’m even less interested in Snyder’s vision taking FIVE films to get to a more traditional depiction of Superman. It’s a shame because I think Cavill was well cast in the role but has been largely wasted.
Fair enough. The DCEU has been very uneven, that's for sure. Suicide Squad, Justice League, Aquaman, and Birds of Prey have all been colorful messes in my opinion—some with fewer redeeming points than others—and unfortunately I haven't heard good things at all about WW84 either. It's debuted with a shocking 5.6 on IMDB.
For my own part, I think Man of Steel, Batman Vs. Superman, and Wonder Woman have been the strongest entries, though I do still have to see Shazam!
There we can agree!
I'd maybe agree about Paul Dini if not for the recent Batman: The Adventures Continue comic series, where he drops the ball somewhat regularly. The overall plot is good, but it plays things a little too safe at too many times.
Between that and Batman and Harley Quinn, I'm not quite sure how a full on DCAU revival would ever work, but I'd love to see it happen.
I haven’t read Batman: The Adventure Continues, but I don’t see how bringing Jason Todd into the fold makes any sense from a timeline perspective. Haven’t seen Batman and Harley Quinn either, I only saw the clip where Harley farts in the Batmobile and decided that was enough to make me not watch it.
How about JL vs The Fatal Five, is that any good?
Batman Vs. Superman took some getting used to for me and now I rather like it, but Man of Steel and Wonder Woman do seem to be the best of their output so far. The Suicide Squad is looking good though. The property is right up James Gunn's alley and you can't complain about the cast.
Like that, you mean ?
Don't worry, he got better. They always do, right ?
To be fair, Dini was not involved with that film, though in several ways it was a feature-length expansion of Dini's "Harlequinade" episode of BTAS. In any case, Batman and Harley Quinn can be safely skipped.
It was just okay. Going with Timm's designs was a last-minute decision--Timm remarked that if the decision had been made at the project's start the story would have been much different.
As it is, the Fatal Five are dull villains, the PG-13 dialogue is more juvenile than adult, and the "big three" members of the Justice League take a backseat to Jessica Cruz and Starboy--and neither of those characters did much for me. The film addresses issues like trauma, depression, and anxiety, but its handling of those issues felt trendy and calculated. It tries for a dramatic gravitas that it never earns. The fight scenes and other action sequences move well, but there are several moments of clumsy animation.
In the end, JL vs. The Fatal Five is not essential viewing. The only post-2006 DC animated film that has earned my enthusiasm is Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox.
It's not terrible, but it's not up to par, either.
I did a series of short reviews on the post DCAU films from Superman: Doomsday until Justice League Dark: Apokolips War. They're over in the Last Movie You Watched thread, if you feel like skimming through to find them.
Is he supposed to have a really tiny head? Or is that appallingly drawn?
I’ll check those reviews out.
They’ve been hit and miss with me. Really loved Batman Gotham Knight, Under The Red Hood, and Superman/Batman Public Enemies though
Yes, Under The Red Hood is one of the best of the bunch, and I should have mentioned it alongside Flashpoint Paradox. Also worth seeing is Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, which began as a script for a never-produced feature between the Justice League cartoon and Justice League Unlimited and was later rewritten.
I saw Crisis on Two Earths long ago, but I kind just forgot about it really. I’ll have to go back and revisit it.
It had basically collapsed almost entirely by that point apart from the first Wonder Woman, with Batman v Superman drastically underperforming and Justice League not even breaking even. All this is reflected in the finished film.
Because WB hadn't worked out where they wanted to take the franchise, this movie essentially has to just jog in place and not allow Wonder Woman to develop as a character in case it might risk future movies.
Not to mention how the two and half years this movie spent in post-production likely had something to do with its fractured nature as well.
Of course, it doesn't help that Gal Gadot can't act.
So there's little Wonder in this Woman this time, and that leaves little else for us to enjoy.
Others have already pointed out the confusing morals of the film. I also want to express my disappointment in Zimmer's score. Why
I hate to go "dark" here, but the film feels to me like it comes with an agenda. Almost no violence, very little action, and the villain's plans are thwarted
There's an obvious message of
If Wonder Woman subtly went for "female empowerment", this one goes for "everyone de-powerment". There's no clash of Titans here, only weakened characters pursuing weak goals.
If this had been the pilot episode of a Mandalorian-type of Wonder Woman TV series, I'd have praised the Olympic gods. But this was conceived as an expensive cinematic new chapter, the follow-up to one of the very strongest films in the DCU so far. So why does it feel like the very opposite of PG-13, namely a "max-13"? If your kids need another Full House type of life lesson, this one might be a good Saturday afternoon adventure.
Having seen the film twice now, I can safely say that I have gone from a happy "sure!" to a sour "mèh, not good". Right now, my ranking, sadly, looks a little like this:
1) WW
2) MOS
3) BvS
4) BOP
5) JL
6) H2O-man
7) Shazam!
8) SS
9) WW84
That's beyond harsh.