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And I love the tone of Snyder DC films.It’s welcome change of pace from the kiddie friendly,sit comish vibe of most MCU films.
The closest DC has to something as successful as the MCU is Bruce Timm's DC Animated Universe. That got the tone PERFECT, and in a lot of ways does it even better than Marvel.
I think overall, when it comes to DC, most of their success comes from the Batman character/universe mainly, in whatever context. It also explains why the new upcoming Flash movie seems more like a Batman movie than anything else.
Nolan's trilogy was appropriately dark, but it wasn't aggressively dour like Snyder's films. That's the big difference.
I'm sure it'll very much be a Flash film first once the marketing machine really kicks into high gear with trailers, etc. Trying to fit other properties in the same tone as Nolan's was definitely something WB did a decade ago. However, AQUAMAN proved that didn't have to be the case. That movie was big, colorful, silly, and FUN, and is the only DCEU film to make a billion dollars so far. So I definitely think the idea that all DC films should have the same tone as Batman is a falsehood.
Hopefully whenever Superman gets another film, they'll return to the more fun and adventurous tone of the traditional depiction of Superman. I'm not just talking Chris Reeve version, but what we saw throughout history with John Byrne's reboot in the 80s, Bruce Timm's animated show in the 90s, and All Star Superman in the 2000s.
People do love that bright and optimistic version of that character, it's just that WB has never truly given us that kind of film for a VERY long time now. SUPERMAN RETURNS was too glum and dour which is why even Donner fans like me can't stand it. And then there's MAN OF STEEL, which I think we've talked about enough at this point.
All I'll say is that I personally like it when they take comic books seriously and try to adapt them to the screen in a way that makes them not only feel fresh and cinematic, but feel like the comic book brought to life.
It's the main reason I personally really enjoyed The Suicide Squad, and why The Batman feels like the Batman adaptation I've been waiting for. As for Superman and the other Justice League members, I've never really got into those characters or comics so I can't really say what would work for those properties going forward. The Flash is gonna be an interesting experiment that's for sure.
Anyway 81% Friday to Friday drop for TSS. I believe HBO Max is killing the simultaneous release’s legs in a way Disney+ Premier Access isn’t.
DUNE is absolutely screwed.
Something to get excited for!
To say that comic books are “ ultimately kiddie stuff “ is ridiculous.It’s another form of telling stories.Are you saying famous comic books like Watchmen,V for Vendetta, and The Dark Knight Returns are kiddie stuff? Come on!
Even some of Marvels output tends to skew older.I’m glad Daredevil got made at Netflix as that character demands a darker more mature tone than what the Marvel Comedy Universe tends to put out.
Comics aren't just for kids, nor are they just for the people who presume their personal tastes are "mature". Comics have a large audience, on both ends of the spectrum.
Also, "Marvel Comedy Universe"? Creative. One thing the MCU doesn't do as often as DC is crap on the competition while losing millions of dollars at the box office.
You were doing so well until this.
They’re exceptions, not the rule.
Also, why would you bother making a cinematic universe to compete with Marvel’s but only target it towards mature audiences? That’s why BvS didn’t do as well as WB wanted, and why even the four hour R rated Snyder Cut didn’t break HBO Max records. Snyder’s films is for a niche audience, not a broad audience. WB realized that and that’s why Snyder has not been brought back to “restore” his vision on the rest of the cinematic universe.
But I’ll give WB credit that they didn’t totally shelve R rated properties. They still went onto green lit JOKER, BIRDS OF PREY, and THE SUICIDE SQUAD, but with an understanding that they’re exceptional films given to mature audiences, while the bigger tentpole titles like AQUAMAN, SHAZAAM, WONDER WOMAN, and THE FLASH are going to keep aiming for broader audiences. That’s a given.
It’s just too bad Cavill is never going to be given his solo Superman sequel. I wish WB had more confidence in Superman than they’ve ever shown.
Whereas I imagine most kids would get bored of Snyder’s Justice League. But then again it’s rated R and Snyder himself said it’s “for grown ups”, so whatevs.
2013- Man Of Steel is released.Critical reaction: “ Where are the jokes? Why are they taking Superman so seriously? “
Only the first film by Donner got the balance just right as far as Superman movies are concerned.
Very different critics and audiences in extremely different time periods. There's little to no real comparison here, save for the fact that the two films are on different extremes of the same spectrum.
All of the very obvious England locations doubling for the US made it feel that way at times! :D
I did prefer the lighter tone of this one.
Gadot is the closest thing we have to Chris Reeve at the moment I’d say though. Charismatic, born to play the role of an innocent, idealistic superhero.
I felt the film to be too light in tone, especially compared to its predecessor. In fact, I was astonished by how little Diana gets to use her lasso, shield and sword. I'm fine with a film that tones down the violence and tries to manage its conflicts with a touch of pacifism, but this is a film in which the hero talks the villain into defeat. That is original for sure, but it's also extremely lame. And the whole subplot revolving around Chris Pine's character of Steve Trevor is just weird. I get that they wanted Pine back: we all loved him in that first film. But they did nothing with him, nothing that's useful, likeable or engaging. In fact, think one step beyond what's on-screen, and there's something really off-putting about how she treats him (and his avatar) in this story.
This I can certainly agree with. Gal Gadot is a gift from the heavens in the DC universe.
Yes!
As a lover of the first film I was so disappointed in this film; it was so incredibly bad. One of the biggest misfires was the awkward plot device used to bring back Chris Pine. His character died, they should have moved on.
She never stops using the lasso- I thought that was great actually, very inventive and she looked cool swinging about on it. The mall opening is excellent.
You’re right that I don’t think I saw the sword and shield at all, but that’s okay- she’s super strong and the lasso is cooler anyway.
Personally I think that’s great, the problem was her speech just wasn’t written very well. Another bit that needed a prune to make it snappier.
Punching people to beat them isn’t always all that great, and she got to have a fight with Wiig’s character, who was the physical challenge.
I don’t really agree with that: their love story is pretty engaging, Pine plays it well, it ties in to the themes of the movie and draws an effective line under their relationship.
The film has problems but wasn’t the disaster I’d heard it was. But I think rather than a ‘Snyder cut’ I’d like to see a studio cut where it’s a bit shorter! :D