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    Man, I think Ray Fisher is a very good actor, but I’ve never seen someone tank their own career as fast and hard than George Lazenby.

    I did see him reading how to have a casreer in acting by George Lazenby's former manager from 1969 soo that makes sense.

    I also see How to run a record company by Richard Paul Rowe... uh oh.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I know I'm behind the curve, but I'm a couple of episodes into Peacemaker and I'm a real convert; it's absolutely stuffed with great gags.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Glad you're enjoying it @mtm, especially after you weren't on the SS hype train. I really enjoy Cena - he's very much of the Statham mould where he can do physical stuff very well but also has good comic timing.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-hawaii-disorderly-conduct-harassment-arrested/

    I think their career is just as much trouble as Will Smith’s.

    Misbehaving celebs are nothing new, surely. And people forget things. Well, maybe studio execs don't. Here's another actor I like, so I hope this doesn't interfere with his future work.

    I saw someone saying that the studio haven't been able to do the required (and normal) reshoots on The Flash because Miller hasn't made themselves available- and that was before this arrest. I don't know if that's true or just rumour (the person had a blue tick on Twitter but I suppose that's not proof) but if it is I guess it would be a bit of a career ruiner.

    Man, I think Ray Fisher is a very good actor, but I’ve never seen someone tank their own career as fast and hard than George Lazenby.

    Yeah, he had to deal with an unpleasant man for two months half a decade ago: not nice I'm sure and I hope he gets what he's after, but maybe concentrate a bit more on paying those bills.
    Curious career: looks like he only had one TV role before getting the part?

    https://www.cbr.com/ezra-miller-behavior-flash-future-warner-bros/

    Oh boy.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-hawaii-disorderly-conduct-harassment-arrested/

    I think their career is just as much trouble as Will Smith’s.

    Misbehaving celebs are nothing new, surely. And people forget things. Well, maybe studio execs don't. Here's another actor I like, so I hope this doesn't interfere with his future work.

    I saw someone saying that the studio haven't been able to do the required (and normal) reshoots on The Flash because Miller hasn't made themselves available- and that was before this arrest. I don't know if that's true or just rumour (the person had a blue tick on Twitter but I suppose that's not proof) but if it is I guess it would be a bit of a career ruiner.

    Man, I think Ray Fisher is a very good actor, but I’ve never seen someone tank their own career as fast and hard than George Lazenby.

    Yeah, he had to deal with an unpleasant man for two months half a decade ago: not nice I'm sure and I hope he gets what he's after, but maybe concentrate a bit more on paying those bills.
    Curious career: looks like he only had one TV role before getting the part?

    https://www.cbr.com/ezra-miller-behavior-flash-future-warner-bros/

    Oh boy.

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    "Warner execs, if we only hired actors without issues, we'd almost have no one to work with!"
  • Posts: 1,394
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-hawaii-disorderly-conduct-harassment-arrested/

    I think their career is just as much trouble as Will Smith’s.

    Misbehaving celebs are nothing new, surely. And people forget things. Well, maybe studio execs don't. Here's another actor I like, so I hope this doesn't interfere with his future work.

    I must also apologize for not doing the 'they' and 'them' thing. It's got nothing to do with how I feel about people who are gender-neutral, just with simple grammar. "Miller then threw the woman to the floor with their hands around her neck"... ? Yeah, my spelling corrector software just called me an illiterate buffoon so I'm going to stick to singular - singular constructions. Just wanted to make that clear lest I be wrongfully accused of looking down on people who identify as neither male nor female.

    Don’t apologise.Gender is a fact and people who identify as “ non binary “ or “ gender neutral “ are welcome to their own delusions but they ARE delusions.You don’t have to partake in their delusions.

    I stopped watching Star Trek:We hate straight white men in its third season when one of the characters insisted that the crew refer to HER as they/them/whatever.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-hawaii-disorderly-conduct-harassment-arrested/

    I think their career is just as much trouble as Will Smith’s.

    Misbehaving celebs are nothing new, surely. And people forget things. Well, maybe studio execs don't. Here's another actor I like, so I hope this doesn't interfere with his future work.

    I must also apologize for not doing the 'they' and 'them' thing. It's got nothing to do with how I feel about people who are gender-neutral, just with simple grammar. "Miller then threw the woman to the floor with their hands around her neck"... ? Yeah, my spelling corrector software just called me an illiterate buffoon so I'm going to stick to singular - singular constructions. Just wanted to make that clear lest I be wrongfully accused of looking down on people who identify as neither male nor female.

    Don’t apologise.Gender is a fact and people who identify as “ non binary “ or “ gender neutral “ are welcome to their own delusions but they ARE delusions.You don’t have to partake in their delusions.

    I stopped watching Star Trek:We hate straight white men in its third season when one of the characters insisted that the crew refer to HER as they/them/whatever.

    I understand the whole "we're making our own identity now" thing, but at least keep things grammatically correct. ;-)
  • It’s kind of hard to keep my excitement for The Flash alive, even with Keaton returning and all that.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 2022 Posts: 16,369
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-hawaii-disorderly-conduct-harassment-arrested/

    I think their career is just as much trouble as Will Smith’s.

    Misbehaving celebs are nothing new, surely. And people forget things. Well, maybe studio execs don't. Here's another actor I like, so I hope this doesn't interfere with his future work.

    I saw someone saying that the studio haven't been able to do the required (and normal) reshoots on The Flash because Miller hasn't made themselves available- and that was before this arrest. I don't know if that's true or just rumour (the person had a blue tick on Twitter but I suppose that's not proof) but if it is I guess it would be a bit of a career ruiner.

    Man, I think Ray Fisher is a very good actor, but I’ve never seen someone tank their own career as fast and hard than George Lazenby.

    Yeah, he had to deal with an unpleasant man for two months half a decade ago: not nice I'm sure and I hope he gets what he's after, but maybe concentrate a bit more on paying those bills.
    Curious career: looks like he only had one TV role before getting the part?

    https://www.cbr.com/ezra-miller-behavior-flash-future-warner-bros/

    Oh boy.

    I don't even think Miller is all that great, I've thought they've always been a bit of a weird, uncomfortable presence in the films I've seen with them as the Flash. I'm only interested in seeing The Flash because of Keaton: the lead could quite literally be played by anyone else and I would be as interested in it.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-hawaii-disorderly-conduct-harassment-arrested/

    I think their career is just as much trouble as Will Smith’s.

    Misbehaving celebs are nothing new, surely. And people forget things. Well, maybe studio execs don't. Here's another actor I like, so I hope this doesn't interfere with his future work.

    I must also apologize for not doing the 'they' and 'them' thing. It's got nothing to do with how I feel about people who are gender-neutral, just with simple grammar. "Miller then threw the woman to the floor with their hands around her neck"... ? Yeah, my spelling corrector software just called me an illiterate buffoon so I'm going to stick to singular - singular constructions. Just wanted to make that clear lest I be wrongfully accused of looking down on people who identify as neither male nor female.

    Don’t apologise.Gender is a fact and people who identify as “ non binary “ or “ gender neutral “ are welcome to their own delusions but they ARE delusions.You don’t have to partake in their delusions.

    I stopped watching Star Trek:We hate straight white men in its third season when one of the characters insisted that the crew refer to HER as they/them/whatever.

    I understand the whole "we're making our own identity now" thing, but at least keep things grammatically correct. ;-)

    Language has always changed over time, I don't mind change. Check out Chaucer's spelling :)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    It’s kind of hard to keep my excitement for The Flash alive, even with Keaton returning and all that.

    I feel the same. Keaton is one of the only things I’m interested in. It sounds like Michael Shannon is coming back as General Zod, as one of the villains, for Supergirl. God forbid we other Superman villains.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited April 2022 Posts: 8,182
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-hawaii-disorderly-conduct-harassment-arrested/

    I think their career is just as much trouble as Will Smith’s.

    Misbehaving celebs are nothing new, surely. And people forget things. Well, maybe studio execs don't. Here's another actor I like, so I hope this doesn't interfere with his future work.

    I must also apologize for not doing the 'they' and 'them' thing. It's got nothing to do with how I feel about people who are gender-neutral, just with simple grammar. "Miller then threw the woman to the floor with their hands around her neck"... ? Yeah, my spelling corrector software just called me an illiterate buffoon so I'm going to stick to singular - singular constructions. Just wanted to make that clear lest I be wrongfully accused of looking down on people who identify as neither male nor female.

    Don’t apologise.Gender is a fact and people who identify as “ non binary “ or “ gender neutral “ are welcome to their own delusions but they ARE delusions.You don’t have to partake in their delusions.

    I stopped watching Star Trek:We hate straight white men in its third season when one of the characters insisted that the crew refer to HER as they/them/whatever.

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    I don't even think Miller is all that great, I've thought they've always been a bit of a weird, uncomfortable presence in the films I've seen with them as the Flash. I'm only interested in seeing The Flash because of Keaton: the lead could quite literally be played by anyone else and I would be as interested in it.

    Oh I absolutely love Miller in almost everything that he does, from The Perks Of Being A Wallflower and We Need To Talk About Kevin to his role as Flash. It's his Fantastic Beasts stuff that doesn't sit particularly well with me.

    Regarding The Flash, there's more that interests me than merely the cast. The story, for example, ought to be based on one of the best recent DC storylines. I love what they did with the animated version of that story and I'm looking for something awesome in the live-action film too.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    As someone that grew up with Keaton’s Batman, I’m not particularly hyped about him returning to the role. It’s like getting Pierce Brosnan back as Bond. I don’t see the point.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    As someone that grew up with Keaton’s Batman, I’m not particularly hyped about him returning to the role. It’s like getting Pierce Brosnan back as Bond. I don’t see the point.



    The studio executives and the actor making a character comeback.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited April 2022 Posts: 8,182
    Well, that goes without saying.
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    I think doing flashpoint as the first Flash movie is a massive mistake.The Flash as a character is good enough to stand on his own without having special guest star cameos proping him up.It’s like making Days Of Futures Past as the first X Men film.

    It beggars belief that they’ve made over 150 episodes of The Flash on tv over the last eight years but have struggled to put together a Flash movie all this time.

    And really,Miller should have been fired from the role before filming began after that strangling incident last year.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes it is curious that they decided to gamble all that money on someone who seemed unstable at the time. Maybe a new Flash takes over at the end of this movie or something.
  • For me it’s a very trying time being a fan of these characters. This Flash movie is probably the film that I’ve lost the most anticipation for. I’m intrigued to see Keaton back as Batman, but that’s probably the only thing that I’m excited for in the movie. Black Adam has my interest due to the likes of Brosnan as Dr. Fate, and some of the heroes their introducing. But other than that, it’s hard to get excited for the films these days aside from offshoots like The Batman or Joker.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I think doing flashpoint as the first Flash movie is a massive mistake.The Flash as a character is good enough to stand on his own without having special guest star cameos proping him up.It’s like making Days Of Futures Past as the first X Men film.

    It beggars belief that they’ve made over 150 episodes of The Flash on tv over the last eight years but have struggled to put together a Flash movie all this time.

    And really,Miller should have been fired from the role before filming began after that strangling incident last year.

    This is because there’s a split between the film and TV divisions. The people who are working on the TV shows are major geeks who are almost given free reign on what they can do an who they can work with. The film division is much more chaotic, with a lot of people who don’t even believe in the source material but want to chase that Marvel money so badly while not looking like they’re outright copying.

    They also have a very snobbish attitude towards creatives in comic books and television. That they’re “not suited for film business” so they only want to hire people known for films. Guys like Grant Morrison would turn in a script that would be rejected in favor of a script by David S Goyer.

    It’s a pity. If they had just had the guys at DCAU like Bruce Timm and Paul Dini we’d have had a solid plan and lineup for a DC film universe. But that’s not how WB wants to play.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I don't think I have enough drugs in the house to get me through a Grant Morrison script. 😄
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It would be a better trip than SUICIDE SQUAD!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    ^This pretty much sums up yet another frustrating conversation I just had with a self-proclaimed "true" fan who can't get over the fact that Reeve has been dead for eighteen years and won't ever be Superman again. It took him less than five minutes to jump from "I hate Superman Returns" because they're trying to be too much like the old Reeve films, to "I hate the DCEU Superman" because they're trying to be too much not like the old Reeve films. I then proceeded to ask if he'd rather they never made another Superman film again. "No no, just close enough to Reeve but also different enough." Oh come on. Get over it, angry Superman fans. Reeve made two films worth watching, over four decades ago. He's never coming back, and neither is his Superman. The old red-white-and-blue Superman is as outdated now as '60s Batman is. I'm not saying people have to like the DCEU at all; I just wish they'd say so rather than try to find silly arguments to turn the debate into hard science, as some do. You don't like it, oh well then you don't like it. But absolutist statements such as "Reeve is the only Superman!", or "Superman doesn't emo!" reveal that some people are stuck in the past, trapped in nostalgia, caged in mortal fear of evolving characters.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
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    ^This pretty much sums up yet another frustrating conversation I just had with a self-proclaimed "true" fan who can't get over the fact that Reeve has been dead for eighteen years and won't ever be Superman again. It took him less than five minutes to jump from "I hate Superman Returns" because they're trying to be too much like the old Reeve films, to "I hate the DCEU Superman" because they're trying to be too much not like the old Reeve films. I then proceeded to ask if he'd rather they never made another Superman film again. "No no, just close enough to Reeve but also different enough." Oh come on. Get over it, angry Superman fans. Reeve made two films worth watching, over four decades ago. He's never coming back, and neither is his Superman. The old red-white-and-blue Superman is as outdated now as '60s Batman is. I'm not saying people have to like the DCEU at all; I just wish they'd say so rather than try to find silly arguments to turn the debate into hard science, as some do. You don't like it, oh well then you don't like it. But absolutist statements such as "Reeve is the only Superman!", or "Superman doesn't emo!" reveal that some people are stuck in the past, trapped in nostalgia, caged in mortal fear of evolving characters.

    Yep.Fully agree.I’d say the criticism goes back even further than Superman Returns.Superman 3 got criticism for having too many jokes and Man Of Steel gets criticism for having very little humour ( Though the humour is there,it’s just more subtle than MCU sit com humour ).
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
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    ^This pretty much sums up yet another frustrating conversation I just had with a self-proclaimed "true" fan who can't get over the fact that Reeve has been dead for eighteen years and won't ever be Superman again. It took him less than five minutes to jump from "I hate Superman Returns" because they're trying to be too much like the old Reeve films, to "I hate the DCEU Superman" because they're trying to be too much not like the old Reeve films. I then proceeded to ask if he'd rather they never made another Superman film again. "No no, just close enough to Reeve but also different enough." Oh come on. Get over it, angry Superman fans. Reeve made two films worth watching, over four decades ago. He's never coming back, and neither is his Superman. The old red-white-and-blue Superman is as outdated now as '60s Batman is. I'm not saying people have to like the DCEU at all; I just wish they'd say so rather than try to find silly arguments to turn the debate into hard science, as some do. You don't like it, oh well then you don't like it. But absolutist statements such as "Reeve is the only Superman!", or "Superman doesn't emo!" reveal that some people are stuck in the past, trapped in nostalgia, caged in mortal fear of evolving characters.

    Yep.Fully agree.I’d say the criticism goes back even further than Superman Returns.Superman 3 got criticism for having too many jokes and Man Of Steel gets criticism for having very little humour ( Though the humour is there,it’s just more subtle than MCU sit com humour ).

    I'll just say it, I think MOS has heart, whereas S3 and QFP were buffoonish exploitations of Donner's masterpiece, neither helped by the fiercely cut budgets nor by Reeve's dried-up enthusiasm for the Superman role. Cavill's Superman addresses an interesting post-Watchmen theme: how do superheroes impact the world in all its facets, beyond the superficial layer of saving us from cosmic harm? And since it is often said that this is a "recent" trend, I will happily remind people that DC went there hard and heavy in the middle of the '80s, what with The Dark Knight Returns and all. I for one love this added layer of complexity--the fact that superheroes operate in a world of gossip, backlash, complicated geopolitics, polarized public opinions, media spinning and more. Zod wants to harm us, so Supes will step in, except that he rarely hits thin air; there's collateral damage with every punch this alien god throw at each other. At the very least, let this young Superman contemplate the consequences of his actions, the cost of his love for Lois, and more.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I don’t even think SR did a good job as a continuation of the Reeve films. It has the same problems that plagued MOS, too dour and self serious. The filmmakers act as if Superman can’t be fun. He has to have some kind of burden. That a classical Superman can’t work for modern audiences. I don’t get that rhetoric, because the original Superman came out at a time when we had just gotten through Vietnam, Watergate, and much of cinema was very nihilistic and dark. I’m sure folks then would have made same claims that a Superman film wouldn’t work because he’s too old fashioned and whatever.

    That’s nonsense. Nobody has TRIED a tradition Superman movie since the 80s to prove that a traditional film can’t work. I think why Henry Cavill hasn’t gotten a sequel is because he’s been pretty outspoken about wanting to do a more traditional and optimistic Superman film. WB doesn’t want to make that kind of film.

    https://comicbook.com/dc/amp/news/henry-cavill-wants-superman-brainaic-face-off-man-of-steel/
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
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    ^This pretty much sums up yet another frustrating conversation I just had with a self-proclaimed "true" fan who can't get over the fact that Reeve has been dead for eighteen years and won't ever be Superman again. It took him less than five minutes to jump from "I hate Superman Returns" because they're trying to be too much like the old Reeve films, to "I hate the DCEU Superman" because they're trying to be too much not like the old Reeve films. I then proceeded to ask if he'd rather they never made another Superman film again. "No no, just close enough to Reeve but also different enough." Oh come on. Get over it, angry Superman fans. Reeve made two films worth watching, over four decades ago. He's never coming back, and neither is his Superman. The old red-white-and-blue Superman is as outdated now as '60s Batman is. I'm not saying people have to like the DCEU at all; I just wish they'd say so rather than try to find silly arguments to turn the debate into hard science, as some do. You don't like it, oh well then you don't like it. But absolutist statements such as "Reeve is the only Superman!", or "Superman doesn't emo!" reveal that some people are stuck in the past, trapped in nostalgia, caged in mortal fear of evolving characters.

    Yep.Fully agree.I’d say the criticism goes back even further than Superman Returns.Superman 3 got criticism for having too many jokes and Man Of Steel gets criticism for having very little humour ( Though the humour is there,it’s just more subtle than MCU sit com humour ).

    I'll just say it, I think MOS has heart, whereas S3 and QFP were buffoonish exploitations of Donner's masterpiece, neither helped by the fiercely cut budgets nor by Reeve's dried-up enthusiasm for the Superman role. Cavill's Superman addresses an interesting post-Watchmen theme: how do superheroes impact the world in all its facets, beyond the superficial layer of saving us from cosmic harm? And since it is often said that this is a "recent" trend, I will happily remind people that DC went there hard and heavy in the middle of the '80s, what with The Dark Knight Returns and all. I for one love this added layer of complexity--the fact that superheroes operate in a world of gossip, backlash, complicated geopolitics, polarized public opinions, media spinning and more. Zod wants to harm us, so Supes will step in, except that he rarely hits thin air; there's collateral damage with every punch this alien god throw at each other. At the very least, let this young Superman contemplate the consequences of his actions, the cost of his love for Lois, and more.

    Yeah we can’t go back to the 80s anymore.And Cavills Superman IS optimistic.By the end of ZSJL he has found his place as earths protector,and has a new extended family in the Justice League.

    WB if they had any sense would have greenlit a new solo MOS film after the release of The Snyder Cut but no,they ( allegedly ) want to wipe out all the great work Snyder did with this Flash movie because they are idiots.
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    The filmmakers act as if Superman can’t be fun. He has to have some kind of burden. That a classical Superman can’t work for modern audiences. I don’t get that rhetoric, because the original Superman came out at a time when we had just gotten through Vietnam, Watergate, and much of cinema was very nihilistic and dark. I’m sure folks then would have made same claims that a Superman film wouldn’t work because he’s too old fashioned and whatever.

    Exactly. That was an even less fitting time for the idea of Superman, but the filmmakers were able to convey the spirit of the character to the audience. Anyone with Superman's powers ought to be seen enjoying them, at the very least for the idea's immense visual potential--I loved how in the Silver Age comics he could whip up ridiculous giant-sized contraptions and props.

    That doesn't mean a Superman film needs to avoid serious situations and drama. The animated series episodes "Apokolips...Now!" and Legacy" show how Superman can be put to the test (and through the wringer) but still retain what makes him Superman.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    TAS is a near perfect blueprint on how to strike the right tone. A perfect middle ground between the Donner film of the Silver Age and the Snyder film of the modern era.
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    I think with Discovery having bought wb my guess is Cavill MOS 2 is a go which for Cavill as bond fans sadly this means no chance he will be 007... but this opens the door for other actors


    as for me the first Superman film and only one i have seen was Batman v Superman. sorry never got into the boy scout always preferred Batman...

    I would like a Superman film to move past Luthor though...


    in much the same way I will take any unused villain for The Batman (yes even condiment King or Nicholas Cage as EggHead he says he has brilliant idea for Egg Head lets see it)

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