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If I had to guess, she'll like it, and really enjoy Harley. She is a big pusher for women in film, so I think she'll dig getting to see Margot cause some fun havoc on screen. We'll have to wait and see.
I agree, I really never know what to expect out of her.
I agree completely. She's very thorough with her analysis and breakdowns and there are times where I'm in full agreement with her and there other times where I'm wondering what planet she's on. Still, I appreciate her input and think, as you said, she'll come out championing SS; I'll be surprised if she doesn't but we'll know soon enough.
I could definitely see Margot being called the small plus in a big negative, though I hope it's not as bad as it's being painted. These critics were many of the same people that also didn't like BvS though, so you'd think that if SS were different from that they'd make a more positive case for it. Some are even flat out saying BvS is gold compared to it. It all leads me to think it's just more of the same, unfortunately. Yeesh.
Unfortunately, you're right, it is more of the same and that's because of the executive "geniuses" over at WB who have no clue what they're doing. Ayer is a talent but when even he makes a film that's being panned on par and in some cases below Snyder's contributions, something is definitely up. I still have every intention of seeing this on Friday but honestly, WB/DC are becoming a joke now. Lets see what the numbers say. OW, I'm predicting around $130million and Total WW gross of around $600million (and I'm being generous).
It's been said the reshoots were to get more action into the film, I'm sure mostly in the third act, but it could have been a big misstep to do it, helping to create that deliriousness the film has been portrayed as having.
According to some that saw an earlier cut of the film, the theatrical cut, complete with the reshoots is a very different film. This final cut compared to the early one is off with its pacing, cut a lot of Joker's scenes out and added more Will Smith. Lol we're definitely getting an extended version at some point.
This all makes me wonder what the last critically lauded film starring Will Smith was. He's going to be facing more awkward questions during this press door, asking him what he thinks about the lukewarm response as he's had to do some much recently. At least he made the right decision in regards to Independence Day 2 and dodged that giant bullet.
MoS should have been followed by MoS 2, then Batman, then WW, then deep breath the Green Lantern, then Aquaman etc. And then assemble sorry gather the team together for ensemble stuff. Money, money, money...that's why i could never give my money to the DC studio because I don't trust them to not leave the creative team/writers and directors alone.
SS had R rating written all over it and then they went for the money and made it PG. Crazy, crazy.
Review in a few hours, she says. :-<
Edit: It seems she hated Harley too. :(
I'm interested to see her review, as she liked BvS. If she was able to handle that with all its flaws in story and character, but didn't like this, good lord that doesn't sound good. X_X
Grace is awesome, so it always pains me to see her hate something I was looking forward to. What's the consensus on Leto's Joker?
@jake24, RE: Leto's Joker,
The only things I've heard from some short reviews here and there is that Leto's Joker is nothing compared to Heath, and not much else. We all knew these comparisons would rain fire on Leto, and sure enough, they have.
I watched Jeremy Jahns' review, who I love, and he mentioned that Joker really isn't in it a great deal, and is more a 3rd party on the side. If what @Sanchairs posted today is true, about a lot of Leto's Joker scenes getting cut, then WB have clearly shown they don't know what their fans want. And apparently Batman is restricted to the start of the film and that's where his part ends, according to Jeremy, so my theory about him kicking off the movie and then never appearing again seem to be correct.
I think Margot's performance has faired well, but I haven't really seen many reviews get into that too much when so much else seems to bug them.
So from what I have gathered from some of the reviewers I respect, this film is somewhere between 'garbage' and 'meh'.
-Leto is barely in it at all, and the trailers didn't show much of his Joker because...there wasn't anything to show in the first place.
-The editing is a mess (worse than BvS's original cut?) and makes it easily apparent that the deleted content is massive in size. The announcement of an extended cut and big apology from WB likely incoming within two week's time.
-The reshoots seemed to be more troubling than we thought, and not as simple or innocent as we hoped. Action likely shot during these shoots was placed haphazardly into the film, largely during the final act by some estimates in order to beef it up and make it more exciting, which actually resulting in it feeling more scattershot and all over the place in content. This may be why some have called it "delirious."
-A lot of telling is going on instead of the filmmakers showing us who these characters are and why we should care about them or their backstories, leading to a big disconnect between them and audiences and lax characterization.
-The movie plays like a rambling mess of images with very little in story to connect them, again hinting at the fact that a lot was edited and cut out entirely.
-And the biggie: Warner's insistence on fixing SS after the negative response to BvS and the DCEU's path and tone as a whole has proven to be an issue. I imagine that Ayer's original vision was altered drastically by top brass to try and appeal to the audiences' cries, which in turn led to the film feeling muddled and unfocused as it separated itself from the original plan, and just plain messy and rambling in its presentation.
It's of great worry that WB are repeating this same exercise for JL, adding in comedy where it doesn't belong in an effort to appeal to audiences who called BvS too dark. With the production of JL starting up just after BvS released, things were already moving fast and it was too late to make any major changes to the film, like replacing Snyder as director. This will no doubt lead to on the fly script changes and heavy editing to try and make the film into something they think audiences want, at the risk of sinking the ship itself as they too step away from the original vision and plan.
It must be awkward at WB/DC right now, and on the JL set in London most of all. So many death stares and hushed tones between them all about the erosion occurring on their once promising brand, and probably many sending invisible daggers into Ayer and Snyder's backs. If I were in charge, I'd get WW sorted and focus only on JL until its release, then hold off on Flash getting going so soon after JL ends post production. I'd wait to see the audience response to JL in theaters and BO, because if that has the same results as BvS and SS have had, then there's no point in continuing. WB/DC would be making some money, sure, but never what they thought they would, and with each disappointing film they risk further upsetting audiences and peeling away their trust, and lessening the chances of being able to break even on each film, especially big-budget money guzzlers like JL.
What a mess...
It occurred to me a long time ago that DC have no real game plan when making these movies, with the possible exception of Wonder Woman; and Grace pretty much echoed my own thoughts on why since Nolan's batflicks they'll never catch up to Marvel. Nolan understood the importance and vitality of making the material more. Irrespective of the outcome of the quality, many people would argue that Nolan's batflicks weren't really comic book films and to be fair that's correct; they relied on genre-specifics as a template to at least have a story to tell and one that's worth telling. Marvel have learned over the years since 2008 that elevating their material to genre types is often the way to go. Winter Soldier was a 70's political thriller, Ant-Man was a heist movie, GoTg was a space opera, Iron Man 3 was a lethal weapon film. Wonder Woman fortunately is a period piece so it has that going for it but we'll see. Either way DC are in serious trouble. Their critical reception has taken 3 hits in a row after all their grandstanding and overhyping. The brand cannot be trusted. Can you imagine? In 2016 where anything is essentially possible to put on film; this is what we get.
Not good. Not good at all.
Jett gives it a B and calls it a breath of fresh air.
On a related note
'Suicide Squad's' Secret Drama: Rushed Production, Competing Cuts, High Anxiety
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693?utm_source=twitter