Roger Moore: Daniel Craig is the Best Bond Actor

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  • edited August 2012 Posts: 11,425
    Rog's trick was that while inwardly chuckling at how silly it all was, he actually usually played it fairly straight. Add in charm and a strong screen presence and he was onto a winner.
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    Getafix wrote:
    Rog's trick was that while inwardly chuckling at how silly it all was, he actually usually played it fairly straight. Add in charm and a strong screen presence and he was onto a winner.

    You could be right with that.

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    Getafix wrote:
    Rog's trick was that while inwardly chuckling at how silly it all was, he actually usually played it fairly straight. Add in charm and a strong screen presence and he was onto a winner.

    To be honest he only played it straight when told too. John Glen kicked tougher performances out of Rog in his last three films.

    As much as I love Rog he did send it up. Look at his expressions all the way through MR. He isnt taking it seriously. And if he isnt taking it seriously then noone else is taking it seriously hence every action scene ends in a silly joke and there is no tension or menace.He sent ir up so much it almost became Casino Royale 67 silliness.

    I do love the man but he never played it straight unless he was ordered to do so...

  • @Getafix Yep, it's a shame we disagree on Brosnan because we seem to agree on tons of other stuff. I think you have fair arguments for disliking him and I think sometimes you bashing him can be funny because you go so over the top with it, but I just disagree with you. I'm never going to change your mind on this and you won't change mine, so we may as well leave it at that.
    Getafix wrote:
    Rog's trick was that while inwardly chuckling at how silly it all was, he actually usually played it fairly straight. Add in charm and a strong screen presence and he was onto a winner.

    I agree with you here. Even though sometimes stupid stuff happened around him, like the sound/sight gags (I like some of them but lots of them just go too campy for me), he was just laughing about it all and most of the time was actually fairly serious. The comedy that actually came from him, like his one liners, were just the same as Connery's, they never went too far.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    And I see Sir Rog saves the world again :D
  • Posts: 11,189
    actonsteve wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Rog's trick was that while inwardly chuckling at how silly it all was, he actually usually played it fairly straight. Add in charm and a strong screen presence and he was onto a winner.

    To be honest he only played it straight when told too. John Glen kicked tougher performances out of Rog in his last three films.

    As much as I love Rog he did send it up. Look at his expressions all the way through MR. He isnt taking it seriously. And if he isnt taking it seriously then noone else is taking it seriously hence every action scene ends in a silly joke and there is no tension or menace.He sent ir up so much it almost became Casino Royale 67 silliness.

    I do love the man but he never played it straight unless he was ordered to do so...

    Agreed 100%. I always considered MR to be the film where Moore is at his most smug.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    My favourite Bond, what more can I say?

    Moore is your favourite Bond?

    Oh sure, I often said it. DC is just my fav Bond actor. There is a difference.
    But Moores portrayal for me was Bond - more so then Connery. I had trouble adjusting to DC's Bond, but loving the man greatly helped ;)

    So you are not completely obsessed with DC
    Germanlady wrote:
    I think, he has the light touch of Moore, but nothing of the brooding macculinity of Connery or DC. Like all the others, he was very much his own man in bringing in, what he could do best.

    He had Connerys charm, Moore's light touch, a bit of Daltons emotion/ruthlessness and his own sort of coolness and confidence that he bought.

    I honestly don't get it when people go on about how Craig is close to Connery. They look nothing like eachother and act nothing like eachother.

    Craig comes across as a mix of Dalton and Lazenby to me. He has Daltons ruthlessness and emotion and he has Lazenbys fighting skills.
    Germanlady wrote:
    For once, I agree - as Brosnan, as I said, had a lighter touch, but didn't stick to it. He tried to build the bridge between Conneresque Bond and Moore Bond and that didn't work IMO.

    People always say this and I don't see how it didn't work. What exactly was wrong with it? He had lighter moments (like his one liners after some fight scenes) and darker moments (like killing Alec or Elektra), and he blended them well together.

    We seem to see eye to eye on many issues, so it pains me to say...

    Brozza sucked, big time! :-q

    For me he never convinced on any level. I know these things are subjective, but from the moment he first appeared upside down in a toilet in GE my heart sunk. And I have to say that it was partly because I was such a Dalts fan and my expectations had been raised so high that PB was such a crushing disappointment. Which makes it all the more surprising to me that you rate them both so highly. Of course, that's your prerogative to like them both, but for me they are the polar opposites in terms of approach.

    I am a fairly fanatical Bond fan and in this context I am not too embarassed to admit that I had an almost scene-by-scene critique of why I felt GE was so awful back in 1995. I remember coming out of the cinema and the group I was with had all loved it and I was there in a profound depression. Obviously it's largely due to me being a grumpy b******, but my view didn't change much with 3 subsequent films. TND was the 'high-point' for me. Up until the disappointing final scenes, it moves along at a nice pace and has a couple of decent scenes. But throughout it all, I was totally underwhelmed by Brozza. To me he was like an Austin Reed model who'd got lost and somehow wandered on to the Pinewood set - preening and smarmy but without charisma or presence. A fish out of water and for me personally the least convincing actor to have stepped into the role. And for my money he was physically the least convincing - a weak face and annoying voice.

    Any way. I think I've said my piece. Again. And will now retire to a safe distance behind some large concrete objects before the Brozzites spray me with indiscriminate machine gun fire.

    You may not like Brozza but the guy does have charisma and presence. I know I've made this point before but its why he's (still) one of the more popular Bonds and why Brosnan has done pretty well for himself outside of the series. People like watching the man and find him entertaining and alluring.

    Watch him in this scene:


    Perhaps his voice is a little "soft" but how can you say he doesn't have a physical presence? Personally I like his stern expressions, especially when he's looking at the newspaper stand - that sells him for me. You can also tell him and Desmond are having fun together.

    Back to GE. "Profound depression"? You having a laugh? :)) It's only a movie. I was disappointed by QoS but not "profoundly depressed".

    Frankly to me you lost any credibility the moment you said NSNA was better than GE. Of course you're entitled to your view but that and CR1967 are the only films I don't own and have no desire to. I love ol' Sean but I'd take Brosnan in GE (and for that matter his other three films) ANY day over the ageing leering Connery in Never (he was more like a dad trying to prove he was still cool). Also, at least Brosnan was keen in GE - Connery has gone on record saying he hated making NSNA.

    In fact Connery was miles cooler in The Rock 13 years later.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Getafix wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    My favourite Bond, what more can I say?

    Moore is your favourite Bond?

    Oh sure, I often said it. DC is just my fav Bond actor. There is a difference.
    But Moores portrayal for me was Bond - more so then Connery. I had trouble adjusting to DC's Bond, but loving the man greatly helped ;)

    So you are not completely obsessed with DC
    Germanlady wrote:
    I think, he has the light touch of Moore, but nothing of the brooding macculinity of Connery or DC. Like all the others, he was very much his own man in bringing in, what he could do best.

    He had Connerys charm, Moore's light touch, a bit of Daltons emotion/ruthlessness and his own sort of coolness and confidence that he bought.

    I honestly don't get it when people go on about how Craig is close to Connery. They look nothing like eachother and act nothing like eachother.

    Craig comes across as a mix of Dalton and Lazenby to me. He has Daltons ruthlessness and emotion and he has Lazenbys fighting skills.
    Germanlady wrote:
    For once, I agree - as Brosnan, as I said, had a lighter touch, but didn't stick to it. He tried to build the bridge between Conneresque Bond and Moore Bond and that didn't work IMO.

    People always say this and I don't see how it didn't work. What exactly was wrong with it? He had lighter moments (like his one liners after some fight scenes) and darker moments (like killing Alec or Elektra), and he blended them well together.

    We seem to see eye to eye on many issues, so it pains me to say...

    Brozza sucked, big time! :-q

    For me he never convinced on any level. I know these things are subjective, but from the moment he first appeared upside down in a toilet in GE my heart sunk. And I have to say that it was partly because I was such a Dalts fan and my expectations had been raised so high that PB was such a crushing disappointment. Which makes it all the more surprising to me that you rate them both so highly. Of course, that's your prerogative to like them both, but for me they are the polar opposites in terms of approach.

    I am a fairly fanatical Bond fan and in this context I am not too embarassed to admit that I had an almost scene-by-scene critique of why I felt GE was so awful back in 1995. I remember coming out of the cinema and the group I was with had all loved it and I was there in a profound depression. Obviously it's largely due to me being a grumpy b******, but my view didn't change much with 3 subsequent films. TND was the 'high-point' for me. Up until the disappointing final scenes, it moves along at a nice pace and has a couple of decent scenes. But throughout it all, I was totally underwhelmed by Brozza. To me he was like an Austin Reed model who'd got lost and somehow wandered on to the Pinewood set - preening and smarmy but without charisma or presence. A fish out of water and for me personally the least convincing actor to have stepped into the role. And for my money he was physically the least convincing - a weak face and annoying voice.

    Any way. I think I've said my piece. Again. And will now retire to a safe distance behind some large concrete objects before the Brozzites spray me with indiscriminate machine gun fire.


    We might not agree on everything but I think you perfectly conceptualised my feelings on Brosnan, I was one of those rare people who back in 1995 dared to pour scorn on the Brozzer, I was quite relieved when I joined the Bond forums to find I wasn't on my own.

    Each to is own I guess, I had been very happy with Dalton bringing some grit and Fleming back to the character after the pensioner stuntman shenanigans of Mr Moore and Brosnan might have tried to give us something new with G.E but by TND is was like they remade SWLM which was actually a remake already.
  • edited September 2012 Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    We seem to see eye to eye on many issues, so it pains me to say...

    Brozza sucked, big time! :-q

    For me he never convinced on any level. I know these things are subjective, but from the moment he first appeared upside down in a toilet in GE my heart sunk. And I have to say that it was partly because I was such a Dalts fan and my expectations had been raised so high that PB was such a crushing disappointment. Which makes it all the more surprising to me that you rate them both so highly. Of course, that's your prerogative to like them both, but for me they are the polar opposites in terms of approach.

    I am a fairly fanatical Bond fan and in this context I am not too embarassed to admit that I had an almost scene-by-scene critique of why I felt GE was so awful back in 1995. I remember coming out of the cinema and the group I was with had all loved it and I was there in a profound depression. Obviously it's largely due to me being a grumpy b******, but my view didn't change much with 3 subsequent films. TND was the 'high-point' for me. Up until the disappointing final scenes, it moves along at a nice pace and has a couple of decent scenes. But throughout it all, I was totally underwhelmed by Brozza. To me he was like an Austin Reed model who'd got lost and somehow wandered on to the Pinewood set - preening and smarmy but without charisma or presence. A fish out of water and for me personally the least convincing actor to have stepped into the role. And for my money he was physically the least convincing - a weak face and annoying voice.

    Any way. I think I've said my piece. Again. And will now retire to a safe distance behind some large concrete objects before the Brozzites spray me with indiscriminate machine gun fire.

    You may not like Brozza but the guy does have charisma and presence. I know I've made this point before but its why he's (still) one of the more popular Bonds and why Brosnan has done pretty well for himself outside of the series. People like watching the man and find him entertaining and alluring.

    Watch him in this scene:


    Perhaps his voice is a little "soft" but how can you say he doesn't have a physical presence? Personally I like his stern expressions, especially when he's looking at the newspaper stand - that sells him for me. You can also tell him and Desmond are having fun together.

    Back to GE. "Profound depression"? You having a laugh? :)) It's only a movie. I was disappointed by QoS but not "profoundly depressed".

    Frankly to me you lost any credibility the moment you said NSNA was better than GE. Of course you're entitled to your view but that and CR1967 are the only films I don't own and have no desire to. I love ol' Sean but I'd take Brosnan in GE (and for that matter his other three films) ANY day over the ageing leering Connery in Never (he was more like a dad trying to prove he was still cool). Also, at least Brosnan was keen in GE - Connery has gone on record saying he hated making NSNA.

    In fact Connery was miles cooler in The Rock 13 years later.

    Have to say that is one of the worst scenes in Bond history.Pierce looks like a sleazy business exec out to cheat on his wife. Embarassing and humiliating for Desmond too as he hands over a German radio-controlled saloon car while advertising an American car rental company. Q had fallen a long way from the days when he'd turn up in some exotic location and hand over the latest British amphibious babe magnet in his Bermuda shorts.

    Aaah.... those were the days.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited September 2012 Posts: 12,480
    Brosnan is wonderful with Q, they have such good chemistry and fun together. Really enjoyable, as were most of Brosnan's films. A fine Bond, with charm and presence.

    As for Moore and Craig, I do read it that Roger is saying Craig is a fine actor; not specifically saying he is the best Bond.
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    As for Moore and Craig, I do read it that Roger is saying Craig is a fine actor; not specifically saying he is the best Bond.

    Exactly...I think, he isn't too keen on the violence. Like he said "My Bond was a lover, his is a killer"
  • I think Roger has said more than once that he thinks Connery was the best Bond.
  • Posts: 6,601
    I think Roger has said more than once that he thinks Connery was the best Bond.

    Then this might be the truth, as there is a significant difference between best Bond and best actor. Dunno which one I prefer personally. Guess I am fine with best actor..
  • Shardlake wrote:

    Brozza sucked, big time! :-q

    For me he never convinced on any level. I know these things are subjective, but from the moment he first appeared upside down in a toilet in GE my heart sunk. And I have to say that it was partly because I was such a Dalts fan and my expectations had been raised so high that PB was such a crushing disappointment. Which makes it all the more surprising to me that you rate them both so highly. Of course, that's your prerogative to like them both, but for me they are the polar opposites in terms of approach.

    I am a fairly fanatical Bond fan and in this context I am not too embarassed to admit that I had an almost scene-by-scene critique of why I felt GE was so awful back in 1995. I remember coming out of the cinema and the group I was with had all loved it and I was there in a profound depression. Obviously it's largely due to me being a grumpy b******, but my view didn't change much with 3 subsequent films. TND was the 'high-point' for me. Up until the disappointing final scenes, it moves along at a nice pace and has a couple of decent scenes. But throughout it all, I was totally underwhelmed by Brozza. To me he was like an Austin Reed model who'd got lost and somehow wandered on to the Pinewood set - preening and smarmy but without charisma or presence. A fish out of water and for me personally the least convincing actor to have stepped into the role. And for my money he was physically the least convincing - a weak face and annoying voice.

    Any way. I think I've said my piece. Again. And will now retire to a safe distance behind some large concrete objects before the Brozzites spray me with indiscriminate machine gun fire.


    We might not agree on everything but I think you perfectly conceptualised my feelings on Brosnan, I was one of those rare people who back in 1995 dared to pour scorn on the Brozzer, I was quite relieved when I joined the Bond forums to find I wasn't on my own.

    Each to is own I guess, I had been very happy with Dalton bringing some grit and Fleming back to the character after the pensioner stuntman shenanigans of Mr Moore and Brosnan might have tried to give us something new with G.E but by TND is was like they remade SWLM which was actually a remake already.
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    Snipped for length, apologies if things seem out of context...

    I had a very different reaction when GE came out. I was a huge Dalton fan and was very upset that he wasn't coming back...but I had seen the writing on the wall. People here forget that Bond wasn't as cemented into permanence as he is now and there were legitimate fears that the series was over after LTK. When the rumours first started that Bond would start up again I figured it would only happen if a more "popular" star took over.

    So when I and a couple of friends - big Bond fans who loved Dalton and Connery and the more serious entries in the series - went to see GE opening weekend we went with some trepidation. We expected Brosnan to be the second coming of Roger Moore. We were probably basing that on his performance as Remington Steele, a pretty light, comic, and certainly not at all tough or manly character. So we were pleasantly surprised at how convincing he was as Bond. That fact that he appeared actually tough despite being at his most manorexic was quite impressive. Also, we loved the "old school" and classy feeling of GE. It seemed like a return to the glamour of the 60s Bonds (and we loved the "secret base" at the end - and the cheesy model work!).

    I still have a soft spot for GE and Brosnan in it. He may have always delivered his lines in the most obvious way and became increasingly smug as the films went on but he was always fun to watch. I'd rather have seen him continue in the style of his performance of GE but I think that Campbell played a large role in that, and I realize that a lot of people liked his more smug, smarmy interpretation of his other films more. Personally, I liked his "strong, silent type" Bond in GE and thought it a good way of overcoming some of his limitations. But mostly there was a sense of relief after we saw GE and we all talked about how much more we liked Brosnan than we thought we would.
  • edited September 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    We seem to see eye to eye on many issues, so it pains me to say...

    Brozza sucked, big time! :-q

    For me he never convinced on any level. I know these things are subjective, but from the moment he first appeared upside down in a toilet in GE my heart sunk. And I have to say that it was partly because I was such a Dalts fan and my expectations had been raised so high that PB was such a crushing disappointment. Which makes it all the more surprising to me that you rate them both so highly. Of course, that's your prerogative to like them both, but for me they are the polar opposites in terms of approach.

    I am a fairly fanatical Bond fan and in this context I am not too embarassed to admit that I had an almost scene-by-scene critique of why I felt GE was so awful back in 1995. I remember coming out of the cinema and the group I was with had all loved it and I was there in a profound depression. Obviously it's largely due to me being a grumpy b******, but my view didn't change much with 3 subsequent films. TND was the 'high-point' for me. Up until the disappointing final scenes, it moves along at a nice pace and has a couple of decent scenes. But throughout it all, I was totally underwhelmed by Brozza. To me he was like an Austin Reed model who'd got lost and somehow wandered on to the Pinewood set - preening and smarmy but without charisma or presence. A fish out of water and for me personally the least convincing actor to have stepped into the role. And for my money he was physically the least convincing - a weak face and annoying voice.

    Any way. I think I've said my piece. Again. And will now retire to a safe distance behind some large concrete objects before the Brozzites spray me with indiscriminate machine gun fire.

    You may not like Brozza but the guy does have charisma and presence. I know I've made this point before but its why he's (still) one of the more popular Bonds and why Brosnan has done pretty well for himself outside of the series. People like watching the man and find him entertaining and alluring.

    Watch him in this scene:


    Perhaps his voice is a little "soft" but how can you say he doesn't have a physical presence? Personally I like his stern expressions, especially when he's looking at the newspaper stand - that sells him for me. You can also tell him and Desmond are having fun together.

    Back to GE. "Profound depression"? You having a laugh? :)) It's only a movie. I was disappointed by QoS but not "profoundly depressed".

    Frankly to me you lost any credibility the moment you said NSNA was better than GE. Of course you're entitled to your view but that and CR1967 are the only films I don't own and have no desire to. I love ol' Sean but I'd take Brosnan in GE (and for that matter his other three films) ANY day over the ageing leering Connery in Never (he was more like a dad trying to prove he was still cool). Also, at least Brosnan was keen in GE - Connery has gone on record saying he hated making NSNA.

    In fact Connery was miles cooler in The Rock 13 years later.

    Have to say that is one of the worst scenes in Bond history.Pierce looks like a sleazy business exec out to cheat on his wife. Embarassing and humiliating for Desmond too as he hands over a German radio-controlled saloon car while advertising an American car rental company. Q had fallen a long way from the days when he'd turn up in some exotic location and hand over the latest British amphibious babe magnet in his Bermuda shorts.

    Aaah.... those were the days.

    Pft... It's an ok scene. Bit cheesy but better than the one in GE easily. Both Broz and Des look more comfortable.

    I think Brosnan looks fine. I've seen Bond look far worse in other films (just to show I can be critical of PB I never liked his black polo neck in DAD).

    Sometimes I genuinely think you just criticise Pierce for the sake of it. First it was an Austin Reed model, now its a sleazy businessman.

    Personally I prefer the "sleazy businessman" look to the "scruffy secondary school teacher" look on Bond anyway ;) .



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