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Ranking the villains' speeches
How would you rank the rhetoric abilities of the evil masters in Bond?
Mine are like this:
1- Blofeld: "Siamese fighting fish. Fascinating creatures. Brave, but on the whole stupid. Yes, they're stupid. Except for the occasional one such as we have here. He lets the other two fight while he waits. Waits until the survivor is so exhausted that he cannot defend himself. And then, like SPECTRE, he strikes."
2. Drax: "First there was a dream. Now there is reality. Here in the untainted cradle of the heavens will be created a new super-race, a race of perfect physical specimens..."
3- Scaramanga: "You see, Mr Bond, like every great artist, l want to create an indisputable masterpiece once in my lifetime. The death of mano a mano, face to face, will be mine..."
4- Golfinger: "Man has climbed Mount Everest, gone to the bottom of the ocean. He has fired rockets to the moon. Split the atom. Achieved miracles in every field of human endeavour... except crime!"
5- Trevelyan: "... We're both orphans, James. But where your parents had the luxury of dying in a climbing accident, mine survived the British betrayal and Stalin's execution squads..."
6- Blofeld: "My dear Prime Minister, two atomic bombs..."
Those that are not that good are the ones from Graves, Carver, Zorin and Greene. On the other hand, it would been great if Whitaker had gave a long speech on military history.
Mine are like this:
1- Blofeld: "Siamese fighting fish. Fascinating creatures. Brave, but on the whole stupid. Yes, they're stupid. Except for the occasional one such as we have here. He lets the other two fight while he waits. Waits until the survivor is so exhausted that he cannot defend himself. And then, like SPECTRE, he strikes."
2. Drax: "First there was a dream. Now there is reality. Here in the untainted cradle of the heavens will be created a new super-race, a race of perfect physical specimens..."
3- Scaramanga: "You see, Mr Bond, like every great artist, l want to create an indisputable masterpiece once in my lifetime. The death of mano a mano, face to face, will be mine..."
4- Golfinger: "Man has climbed Mount Everest, gone to the bottom of the ocean. He has fired rockets to the moon. Split the atom. Achieved miracles in every field of human endeavour... except crime!"
5- Trevelyan: "... We're both orphans, James. But where your parents had the luxury of dying in a climbing accident, mine survived the British betrayal and Stalin's execution squads..."
6- Blofeld: "My dear Prime Minister, two atomic bombs..."
Those that are not that good are the ones from Graves, Carver, Zorin and Greene. On the other hand, it would been great if Whitaker had gave a long speech on military history.
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"SPECTRE. Special Executive for Counter intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion."
A fabulous little scene.
I also love Blofeld's first speech you mentioned, it is from FRWL as far as I can remember?
That speech gives me the chills
My definition of "it says here" dialogue. Just so out of place and obviously inserted. Maybe my least favourite dialogue of the franchise until Jinx comes along.
GF is my favourite comparing great science and discovery with great crime. Drax is wonderfully eloquent as well.
I thought the Trevelyan speech was good :( Not the very best but still a decent, memorable scene. Love the atmosphere thats set up prior to Trevelyan's reveal.
Miles ahead of "now there's a mouthful" :-& :-& :-&
Oh thats a good one And Laz sits there fuming at his own stupidity....
Orlov spitting out the truth about lack of blame for the nuclear accident is pretty good as well.
Simply get rid of the "We're both orphans." It's unnecessary. God forbid the general audience has to take hints around something.
That's a good scene but is Orlov the "main" villain or is that technically Kamahl?
Shame Grant isn't technically the main villain in FRWL. The scene when Grant reveals his true self on the train is, in my opinion, a strong contender for best scene in the series.
I quite liked that reference to Bond's parents dying in a climbing accident. In fact that's how I first found out Bond was an orphan.
Yes, true he is the secondary one. And its Rog who puts the puzzle together once he says "against whom?" Its Rogers speech not the villains.
Rog is good in that scene
"On your feet General. You're going to stop that train"
I'm seeing him next month :D
Joseph Wiseman was also quite brilliant with this, the dinner scene with Connery and Andress has reached legendary status for me, one of the things always worth waiting for in Doctor No
Chris Lee also, another dinner talk, this time with Moore and Ekland in Golden Gun -'You work for peanuts etc', great talking from a great actor
Johnathan Pryce, and actor of caliber, was wasted in Tomorrow Never Dies, his Carver character, despite a few droll quips, really wasn't nasty enough, wasted potential there. I think in another release and maybe with another Bond, it could of worked, but that year was a major disappointment all round
Savalas also gets a mention, for his elaboration of his angels of death to Lazenby when his Hilary Bray persona is rumbled
A second date? I hope you get him to pay...
If he really is the gentleman people say he is he'd offer ;)
2. Dr. No's speech at the dinner table- "Unfortunately I misjudged you, you are just a stupid policeman, whose luck has run out."
3. Elliot Carver's speech on the Stealth Boat- "Look at William Randolph Hearst, who told his photographers, you provide the pictures, I'll provide the war. I've just taken it one step further."
4. Ernst Stavro Blofeld at Piz Gloria (yes, I admit, it is from OHMSS, surprisingly)- "If my demands are not met, I will proceed with the systematic extinction of all plants and livestock all over the world."
5. Dr. Kananga at the Fillet of Soul basement hideout- "The question remains, asked by the gentleman concerned.......did you touch her?"
6. Francisco Scaramanga at the dinner table- "But then again, the English don't find it sporting to kill in cold blood."
Those are the most stand-out villain speeches that come to mind as of right now!
Someone surely must have mentioned Grant on the Orient Express as he has Bond on his knees in Russia. It's an almost certainty, but I felt like an inclusion nonetheless
Charles Gray and Connery in Diamonds, about his master plan, and before the 'wrong pussy' incident
Moore and Jourdan over dinner in Octopussy, 'hardly, we are much more civilized than that'
Trevelyan and Brosnan in Goldeneye at the Janus meeting, said so many times before
Carver and Bond in Saigon as he prepares his headlines (ridiculous typing scene), TND
Stephens and Brosnan, DAD, before Frost switches sides
I guess we can include LeChiffre and Craig in this during the 'genitals violation' sequence also
I'm usually the one to comment on Whitaker as he is in my opinion so underated.
His first scene with Pushkin is quite good and I think that by not giving him over the top speech made the sequence seem realistic. The mannequins dressed as evil dictators I'm sure gave the first time audience an idea that this fellow has some sort of mental problem.
Maybe the script could have referenced Hitler or other warmongers a bit more?
Can you come up with a speech as I would like to know as a Whitaker fan?
My fav line of his was with 007 "you could have been a live rich man instead of a poor dead one" again maybe underated.
I agree however that he could have had a better speech session with 007 before his gunfight.
Big improvement.
They are good, but a longer speech coudn't hurt, like comparing that while positivism claimed science is the engine of history, and marxism said that struggle of class is, he believe that the real inner force of the history of mankind is war.
For me it was very good, not over-the-top but realistic but also symbolic.
1. Dr No Does Not Like Bond as a Dinner Guest
2. Blofeld's Fishy Tale
3. Rats! It's Silva
4. Blofeld's Electrifying Thunderball Speech and Ransom Demand
5. Scaramanga's Magical Mushrooms
6. Telly and Tracy's Poetry Reading
7. Why I Hate England by Alec Trevelyan
8. Quit Busting Bond's Balls Le Chiffre
9. Sanchez Drug Dealer Unification Speech
10. Goldfinger Manipulates the Mob
But I'll leave Telly and Tracy's Poetry Reading for the top literary references (or intertexts) along with: Tennyson's Ulysses (the best in my opinion, follow by "Thy Dawn, O Master of the Word..." that you cited), the Genesis in MR, Heminway's A Farewell to Arms and François de La Rochefoucauld in DAF. (That's as far as I remember.)
Also, Toby Stephen's snarling speech about how he modeled Gustav Graves after Bond is one of the very few good points in Die Another Day.
Agreed on that - shades of the filmic Francisco Scaramanga in The Man with the Golden Gun there!
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