I've lost respect for Connery

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  • There was also the infamous Barbara Walters interview from the 80's where he said the same thing
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    LeChiffre wrote:
    Correct me if I,m wrong but hasn't Connery come out and advocated violence against women ie it's ok to slap a woman if she's "out of line"? If my respect for him disappeared long before he dissed the 50th celebrations.

    This is a quote from a 60s Sunday Express interview with Roderick Mann. Hardly new information. His views might well have changed over 47 years or so!

    He's also the man who donated his entire paycheck for DAF to charity.

  • What I read (I believe it was reported on the MI6 site actually) was that the supposed "reunion" would not be at the London premiere of SF, but rather at a dinner in Los Angeles. This story came out several months ago if memory serves correct. Just wanted to clarify since some seem to believe this has to do directly with the SF premiere. However, I haven't heard much of it since so at this point who even knows what's what.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    If Connery doesn't wish to attend, because he still has lingering issues with the former producers over money owed - then he is entitled to his opinion and decision, and we must all respect that..... but, as a person, i dont agree with it... Bond made this man an international icon, and he has only Bond to thank to #1 giving him a career, and #2 resurrecting his career.. it was the public and the people who payed their hard earned money to go see his films, and as Cubby said (to Lazenby) "Its the public that makes you a star." ..... if he doesn't want to make an appearance because of lingering personal issues - fine.. then at the very least, do it for the millions of fans and people..... the fact that his publicist came out and said basically "he's retired and doesn't do public appearances anymore." - when he was just at a tennis match, and a few months ago he opened the Wall Street Stock Exchange, is total BS - and a smack to the face of our collective intelligence..
  • Connery might be the top Bond in most people's eyes,but if I was having a drink I'd want to be in Roger's company. Far classier act and not a hint of bitterness.

    Why does anybody assume Barbara or Michael would want him there anyway is beyond me.
  • jerome007 wrote:
    Connery might be the top Bond in most people's eyes,but if I was having a drink I'd want to be in Roger's company.
    Same here-
    In college I had the pleasure of acting on stage with my college professor, who was the best of the best of the best. As awesome as that felt, could you just imagine getting the chance to be in a play with Dalton??
    =P~
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    jerome007 wrote:
    Why does anybody assume Barbara or Michael would want him there anyway is beyond me.

    Because it would give their "event" far more status and create more interest than it would have if he doesn't attend. As I said previously, he is still seen by most people as the best Bond, an unpalatable fact to some, I know.

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    The man is plus 80 years old, should be able to do what he wants to do instead of continue living for the fans.
    If he does not come I do not judge him for living his old days in peace instead of once more walking into the field with those pushy and opiniated 007 fans. After all they drove him away before.

    And darn I would not mind living on the Bahamas, rather sooner than in my old days.
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    SaintMark wrote:
    If he does not come I do not judge him for living his old days in peace instead of once more walking into the field with those pushy and opiniated 007 fans. After all they drove him away before.
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    Strong point.

    Sean's life was made a misery by some of the more obsessive fans in the 60s. Some camped almost permenently outside his London home and often knocked on the door and asked if they could come in for tea!.

    If you've seen the BBC 'Whickers World' documentary about the making of 'You Only Live Twice', there's a scene where he had to have lunch in his hotel room because of the antics of fans and media in the restaurant. Also in Japan, some 'fans' were looking at him use the primative toilet whilst on location!.

    Please don't expect him to want do a lot for 'the fans'.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    This isn't the 1960s to be fair and with that being said, most if these antics are fertile ground fir Connery to file law suits to sue (something he's rather proficient at) so that at least should give him sort if reprieve.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Correct me if I,m wrong but hasn't Connery come out and advocated violence against women ie it's ok to slap a woman if she's "out of line"? If my respect for him disappeared long before he dissed the 50th celebrations.

    This is a quote from a 60s Sunday Express interview with Roderick Mann. Hardly new information. His views might well have changed over 47 years or so!

    He's also the man who donated his entire paycheck for DAF to charity.

    So he should after the mess DAF turned out to be!
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    LeChiffre wrote:

    So he should after the mess DAF turned out to be!

    Still in the top 50% of the series

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    I agree with others who'd much rather have a beverage or 2 in the company of the self-deprecating Sir Roger than any grumpy old tax exile. I'd also like a few beers in the company of Mr Craig the man rapidly becoming my favourite Bond of all time. I realise I'm partly biased as we noth used to live in the same area!
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    I really haven't a clue which Bond I'd rather have a drink with.

    In this thread I've tried to address why Connery has a perfect right not to attend the "reunion" and why it might be a good idea not to attend.

    BTW Will Brosnan be attending? I wouldn't blame him if he didn't turn up. An excellent Bond who got landed with some truly awful Bond movies and then got dumped.

    Could be down to just four.
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    Am I the only one that is starting to see striking similarities between this and the Axl Rose - Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame debacle of earlier in the year? Will he show/will he not show???
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    LeChiffre wrote:
    I agree with others who'd much rather have a beverage or 2 in the company of the self-deprecating Sir Roger than any grumpy old tax exile. I'd also like a few beers in the company of Mr Craig the man rapidly becoming my favourite Bond of all time. I realise I'm partly biased as we noth used to live in the same area!

    Hmm. After giving it some thought I would say Dan and Sean would be both good value down the pub for a pint. However the fact that you could banter with Dan about the dismal situation at Anfield would give him the edge over Big Tam who came close to signing for the scum.

    Then again I bet George has some tales to tell and doesnt mind the odd pint.

    Obviously somewhere a bit more upmarket for cocktails or a G&T then Rog without question would be great entertainment.

    Tim I can see being a real ale man and would be good for a quiet pint in a country pub, perhaps even a game of dominos thrown in.

    Pierce the tricky one. I dont really see him fitting in at a pub and hes a bit of a poor mns Rog if youre going somewhere posh. Would like to get him well oiled though and here just exactly what happened when EON sacked him.

    This is in danger of turning into Up With the Partridge -

    'I'd like to go to Legoland Windsor with Sean Connery and afterwards go for a nice lamb lunch.'
  • It really wouldn't hurt the man to make an appearance this year for an all ex-Bond get together, the Scot is in reasonable health as I understand, still able-bodied and it would be something to have him at an event with the other previous actors, but we can appreciate his decision if he decides not to participate. It's the 50th year for Bond, big celebrations for the franchise, and having an Icon of 007 involved or back again for the half century extravaganza would of been ideal for most, but it's the man's own decision. We have to abide by that. Will be a disappointment for some, but there's still time for him to maybe reconsider or even make an appearance later this year
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    My grandmother, who's 80+ years old and still in reasonably good health too, has also stepped down from public life, unable to cope with certain stress factors we, young ones, have little difficulty to ignore. I think it'd be surprising how many of us will eventually find themselves trapped in social isolation even before we've turned 80, especially with all the social fuss and pressures we already need to endure today. I call it a social burn-out and it will be a problem of our future society.

    Either way, Connery's refusal to show up, if the rumor is correct, doesn't surprise me at all. That BAFTA tribute to James Bond they did in (I believe it was) 2002 had all the Bonds present, except Connery who had just recorded a few words.

    Good heavens, if his introductory scene in DN was all he'd ever given us, I'd still grant him the prerogative to do exactly as he likes. He owes us nothing, we owe him so much.
  • Am I the only one that is starting to see striking similarities between this and the Axl Rose - Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame debacle of earlier in the year? Will he show/will he not show???

    I'd forgotten all about that! This does seem similar yeah.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I'm always very critical of Timothy Dalton, but I can say hand on heart he is the one I think I would enjoy having a pint with. I can imagine both Brosnan and Lazenby being a little bit full of themselves (Brosnan would be looking around to see if anyone has seen him), Sir Rog would tell great stories, but I can see Dalton being the one who would be interested in you as a person.
    I've never been a very good judge of character though so I'm probably wrong.
  • edited September 2012 Posts: 11,425
    LeChiffre wrote:
    I agree with others who'd much rather have a beverage or 2 in the company of the self-deprecating Sir Roger than any grumpy old tax exile. I'd also like a few beers in the company of Mr Craig the man rapidly becoming my favourite Bond of all time. I realise I'm partly biased as we noth used to live in the same area!

    Hmm. After giving it some thought I would say Dan and Sean would be both good value down the pub for a pint. However the fact that you could banter with Dan about the dismal situation at Anfield would give him the edge over Big Tam who came close to signing for the scum.

    Then again I bet George has some tales to tell and doesnt mind the odd pint.

    Obviously somewhere a bit more upmarket for cocktails or a G&T then Rog without question would be great entertainment.

    Tim I can see being a real ale man and would be good for a quiet pint in a country pub, perhaps even a game of dominos thrown in.

    Pierce the tricky one. I dont really see him fitting in at a pub and hes a bit of a poor mns Rog if youre going somewhere posh. Would like to get him well oiled though and here just exactly what happened when EON sacked him.

    This is in danger of turning into Up With the Partridge -

    'I'd like to go to Legoland Windsor with Sean Connery and afterwards go for a nice lamb lunch.'

    Pierce does belong in the pub but an Irish one not an English boozer. You have to imagine him on his tenth Guiness, stood round the piano in a country bar with Shane MacGowan singing a duet of Christmas in New York. That would actually be excellent.
  • I think Sir Sean must attend the reunion.

    Sure, he is entitled to have his own decisions, especially in his old age. But the one thing he's forgetting is that he 's a celebrity, a public icon who has the eyes of the people wherever he goes... and a celebrity must be willing to share a part of him to the fans who helped him achieve what he wants to be. Which is exactly what Sir Sean must do.

    All the "reasons" for him not to attend are preposterous. His so-called retirement from public appearances unbelievable. (He publicly watched tennis games, so I think that counts) His age or his health doesn't seem like a problem too; Roger Moore, who is older than him would certainly attend, and I think Sean's pretty healthy as well. All of these are obviously alibis for snobbing the franchise which cemented his cinematic legacy, and he snobbed it along with us, his fans :-S And that's really disappointing.

    I respect Sean Connery's legacy which is James Bond more than Sean Connery himself. I don't loathe him, it's just pretty upsetting to wonder what's on him. He got a considerable pay raise in 1971, ripped off the franchise 12 years later so what else does he want? He probably thinks that he's the core of the entire James Bond license, not the character, and not Ian Fleming.
  • I have no problem with Connery deciding not to attend an event. I have more of a problem with his opinions on when it's appropriate to smack your wife about. He's been one of my favourite screen actors for most of my life but that's about as far as my admiration for the man goes.
  • He got a considerable pay raise in 1971, ripped off the franchise 12 years later

    How did Connery rip off the franchise in 1983? A production company legitimately obtained the rights for a Thunderball remake and legally employed Connery.

    Don't take this as a criticism. There is a tendency among fans to refer to the 1967 Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again as "rogue" Bond movies (among other labels. Whatever you think of the movies (and there's plenty of fodder for criticism for both), they're not ripoffs or infringment upon the rights Eon held at the time both were made. The rights situation, of course, has changed subsequently.

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    I think Sir Sean must attend the reunion.

    Sure, he is entitled to have his own decisions, especially in his old age. But the one thing he's forgetting is that he 's a celebrity, a public icon who has the eyes of the people wherever he goes... and a celebrity must be willing to share a part of him to the fans who helped him achieve what he wants to be. Which is exactly what Sir Sean must do.

    Good point, I agree. Sean's attendance is not about pleasing the big-wigs and Cubby's daughter, or even about honoring the series that got him started, it's about giving back to the fans.

    It's like when you have a family reunion that you don't want to go to... you just go anyway, because you know it's the right thing to do.
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    Bond wrote:
    I think Sir Sean must attend the reunion.

    Sure, he is entitled to have his own decisions, especially in his old age. But the one thing he's forgetting is that he 's a celebrity, a public icon who has the eyes of the people wherever he goes... and a celebrity must be willing to share a part of him to the fans who helped him achieve what he wants to be. Which is exactly what Sir Sean must do.

    Good point, I agree. Sean's attendance is not about pleasing the big-wigs and Cubby's daughter, or even about honoring the series that got him started, it's about giving back to the fans.

    It's like when you have a family reunion that you don't want to go to... you just go anyway, because you know it's the right thing to do.

    I think that you are both wrong and feel far to entitled, the man is plus 80 and has retired. Like any person retirement means you no longer have to work, and doing advertisement"work" for the 007 series is just that.

    And as a fan you have no right to demand anything that the actor/star/celebrity is not willing to give. There is a line where privacy should be accepted, and the man has a hard time enough to remain out of the light enough with these lunatic papparazzi chasing him to make a quick buck.

    As a true fan you should respect SC's retirement, and if he decides to appear consider yourself lucky. If the man wants to live his life in the shadows without those pesky photographers and pushy fans that is his right. ANd the rights of former employers and fans be damned.

    This discussion seems to be more about entitlement people seem to feel they have than respecting the privacy and decissions made by an actor who actively wants to remain out of the spotlight. And his occasional appearance does not alter that at all.

    When I read all the replies I must admit I lose respect for the fans.

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    I'm with you @SaintMark I'd love for Connery to go to the premier but we don't really have the right to demand anything from him.

    Even if he's healthy and has no real reason not to, if he doesn't want to, he doesn't have to.
    As for which Bond to have a pint with, Dalton, Lazenby or Brosnan I think would make the best drinking buddy.

    I think Moore would be the best one to meet and really talk to though.
  • SaintMark wrote:
    Bond wrote:
    I think Sir Sean must attend the reunion.

    Sure, he is entitled to have his own decisions, especially in his old age. But the one thing he's forgetting is that he 's a celebrity, a public icon who has the eyes of the people wherever he goes... and a celebrity must be willing to share a part of him to the fans who helped him achieve what he wants to be. Which is exactly what Sir Sean must do.

    Good point, I agree. Sean's attendance is not about pleasing the big-wigs and Cubby's daughter, or even about honoring the series that got him started, it's about giving back to the fans.

    It's like when you have a family reunion that you don't want to go to... you just go anyway, because you know it's the right thing to do.

    I think that you are both wrong and feel far to entitled, the man is plus 80 and has retired. Like any person retirement means you no longer have to work, and doing advertisement"work" for the 007 series is just that.

    And as a fan you have no right to demand anything that the actor/star/celebrity is not willing to give. There is a line where privacy should be accepted, and the man has a hard time enough to remain out of the light enough with these lunatic papparazzi chasing him to make a quick buck.

    As a true fan you should respect SC's retirement, and if he decides to appear consider yourself lucky. If the man wants to live his life in the shadows without those pesky photographers and pushy fans that is his right. ANd the rights of former employers and fans be damned.

    This discussion seems to be more about entitlement people seem to feel they have than respecting the privacy and decissions made by an actor who actively wants to remain out of the spotlight. And his occasional appearance does not alter that at all.

    When I read all the replies I must admit I lose respect for the fans.

    I agree with you on this. As much as it is disappointing, we as fans have absolutely no right to demand anything from him. He is a person, just like us, and is in his right to live his life the way he chooses, especially at his age. It is wrong for us to feel entitled, and if he does show up, we should consider ourselves, as you say, lucky.

  • edited September 2012 Posts: 229
    I think Sir Sean must attend the reunion.

    Sure, he is entitled to have his own decisions, especially in his old age. But the one thing he's forgetting is that he 's a celebrity, a public icon who has the eyes of the people wherever he goes... and a celebrity must be willing to share a part of him to the fans who helped him achieve what he wants to be. Which is exactly what Sir Sean must do.
    Legally nothing forces him to attend the reunion.
    He owes us nothing. He did a great job being Bond. Bond made him famous, but probably without him and his charisma, Bond would'nt have been so successful.

    Plus people went to see his Bonds because they love the films, and not out of some kind of charity for Sean Connery.
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    The fan's aren't owed anything. They paid their money and watched the films and that's where it ends. There is no more entitlement than that.

    Connery did a job of work and moved on.

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