The Score of Skyfall

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  • EmilioEmilio Palmyra, Nassau
    edited December 2011 Posts: 175
    tqb wrote:
    Emilio wrote:
    it's all speculation, the only sure thing is David Arnold has not been confirmed.

    Anyway I would love A LOT of "The James Bond theme" in the score, after all is the 50th anniversary...

    Moreover I tend to enjoy a scene better when the background is JB theme, such as in FRWL, LALD, TND...

    as much as i like the theme, the more it's played in a movie- the less powerful it is.

    not for me, the theme gives always an extra plus to scenes, i especially like when is played in "normal" scenes, such as arriving in hotels, walking in streets.....only FRWL and TND have this in common.....

    Also in action ones thou, just think of Bond on the camera in the Liparus of TSWLM, try to watch it without the theme, it totally changes......
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited December 2011 Posts: 14,585
    When the JB theme plays during a scene where Bond's just walking around, not doing much, I find it somewhat amusing. It's like Wow- look! Bond's in his hotel room! Now he's throwing his gun holster on the bed! And now he's scanning the room for bugs! You gotta love it. I hope the theme plays more often in future films, but only when he does something Bondian (so, hopefully all the time).
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,718
    I hope in SkyFall that Bond will walk through an airport with the Bond theme playing full blast.
  • Posts: 1,310
    Quantum of Solace was devoid of Bond theme for no real reason. At the end of Casino Royale, the Bond theme blared over the end credits kind of like, 'Bond is back.' So, naturally, I was expecting the Bond theme in Quantum of Solace...and it wasn't there. Why, David Arnold? Why? Why? Why?

    Skyfall needs more Bond theme.

    (GOTTA HAVE MORE BOND THEME, BABY)
  • EmilioEmilio Palmyra, Nassau
    Posts: 175
    I like it also when is just suggested, such as in Bolivian taxi ride from QOS...it creates the link, after all the changes over the years, the theme remains......
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 2,599
    Now days I only like to hear subtle versions of the Bond theme.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Breaking news: we still don't know anything about the score.

  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    Breaking news: we still don't know anything about the score.


    it would be rude of EON to just drop him without even talking to him/ giving him a reason etc.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Next year should bring good news on this front. Hopefully...
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 5,745
    If he's out for Skyfall, I don't think he's out for good.

    I'm sure Eon would contact him in some form if Newman takes over for Skyfall.

    If this is the case, I'm sure Eon will be eyeballing how Newman does to see if they'll bring Arnold back for 24 (or 25 if Mendes does a double). If Newman does a good score with a good reception, then Arnold probably wont return, even if Newman doesn't return. But if Newman's isn't anything special I'm sure they'd bring Arnold back.
  • Posts: 3,276
    002 wrote:
    <blockquote rel="Zekidk"><blockquote rel="DaltonCraig007"><blockquote rel="Zekidk">Great news. I love his soundtracks, especially TND. After John Barry - he's the best composer.</blockquote>

    TND is a horrible score.
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    Well, that's your opinion.

    I love the soundtrack. It has so many wonderful tracks, 'White Knight', 'Paris and Bond', etc.</blockquote>

    TND's score is basicly the Bond theme over and over again.


    how is that a bad thing? the theme rocks and i love the bit at the end before the "in memory of Albert Broccolli"

    Even Barry reused the Bond theme "over and over again" in OP, and everyone seems to love him!

    I don't mind them bringing someone else in for a change, as long as he understands and stays true to the classic "Bond-sound" using strings and brass, and do go for a contemporary different approach like Conti and Serra.
  • This came in on November 20th. I tweeted David Arnold and according to him there was no news to report.
    I just tweeted @DavidGArnold: "@DavidGArnold Well Mister -twitter addict- Arnold. Are you on the production team of #Skyfall or not :-P ?"

    His reaction to me was both crisp and clear: "@GertJanWaterink no news"

    So David Arnold still hasn't heard a thing from EON Productions. And as the Sound Mixing Department is already in place, with Scott Millan on board as re-recording mixer (4 time Oscar winner for 'Apollo 13', 'Ray', 'Gladiator' and 'The Bourne Ultimatum'), I think we can start assuming that EON Productions are actually looking for another composer to helm the Skyfall-score.

    So how is the situation now? I mean, come on. The production of 'Skyfall' is well under way. They are busy filming for more than a month now. And so far it seems this Bond film could go into post production much sooner than its three recent predecessors.

    Could the editors of MI6 not publish a question about the scoring of 'Skyfall'? I mean, I think the chances of David Arnold not scoring 'Skyfall' seems to grow a bit now.
  • And this down below is dated December 10th. And still Arnold's answer is "No news yet". Hmmm....
    Breaking news: we still don't know anything about the score.


  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    My gut says DA is out this time.
  • RC7 wrote:
    My gut says DA is out this time.

    Same here.

    Tonight I am going to see 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol'. The official score by Michael Giacchino is now on YouTube. I must say, I ADORE his version of Lalo Schifrin's original theme! Completely instrumental, NO electronics, but instead a very sixties approach of the theme. I love the strings sections in this one:
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    Babs and Michael? Can I say something? Hire him!
  • Posts: 5,745
    Tell you what, no one else's espionage scores make me want to get up and kill people more than Giacchino, and the other one was for a kids movie!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    If Arnold returns, I'd rather have more of a TND score. An overuse of the James Bond isn't a bad thing to me. Michael Giacchino would fit in perfectly and if Arnold doesn't return I'd hope to have him or Thomas Newman. Honestly I'd like to have some new blood in the Musical Department.
  • I think at this stage it's fair to say that the Bond producers AND Danny Craig (off course. From now on we can safely say his creative ideas are also used in part) are looking for some new blood in the music department. David Arnold himself several times admitted (on Twitter) that they haven't approached him yet. For me that's a signal that Babs, Michael & Danny are looking for something else. Also, the production is now almost 3 months underway. For the past Bond films, at this stage, David Arnold was already signed onto the music department.
  • Posts: 1,894
    Tonight I am going to see 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol'. The official score by Michael Giacchino is now on YouTube. I must say, I ADORE his version of Lalo Schifrin's original theme! Completely instrumental, NO electronics, but instead a very sixties approach of the theme. I love the strings sections in this one:

    Babs and Michael? Can I say something? Hire him!
    For once, I have to agree with The Shark on something with regards to scores - Giacchino's GHOST PROTOCOL score was horrid. It was just so bland. The entire film could have been played without music and I wouldn't have noticed the difference.

  • Babs and Michael? Can I say something? Hire him!
    For once, I have to agree with The Shark on something with regards to scores - Giacchino's GHOST PROTOCOL score was horrid. It was just so bland. The entire film could have been played without music and I wouldn't have noticed the difference.
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    Really? I thought he had nice variety of scores and was very adaptive for the locations they were at...but yeah, his score wasn't near his best in Lost or The Incredibles.
  • Posts: 12,526
    to be honest i have no idea? But who is it that produced the score for pirates of the carribean? That tune always sets me up for the film with a smile and some anticipation for the film?
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 11,119
    I think....Michael Giacchino knows perfectly how to bring certain cultural sounds in his music. Take these themes for example. I'd say: Wunderful.

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    This is.....India 2011 AD completely. And I adore these tracks. IMO David Arnold keeps faltering in composing easy-to-listen tunes that represent certain countries on this planet.

    Then there is this great pumping Budapest opener. The tune is very basic, but it builds up wunderfully. Very Bond-ish. The helicopter shots of the city reminded me of the Lago di Garda shots from QOS:

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    I also want to mention -again- two other composers that are in my opinion contenders to take over from David Arnold. John Powell did some great work for movies like 'Paycheck' and 'The Bourne Supremacy'. Ab-so-lu-te-ly thrilling, perfect build up and you can hum the themes with your own voice:

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    If you listen to the theme of 'Paycheck', you can actually hear some Bond tunes in it.

    Alexandre Desplat is also one of my favourites to do a Bond score. His work on 'The Ghost Writer' was full of suspense. A bit like the old espionage days in FRWL:

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    So, I think I would be happy if one of the above composers would be composing 'Skyfall'. And, I say it again, I want David Arnold OFF the Bond projects now. Time for new blood.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Arnold has had a fair crack now and never really delivered a killer score. To his credit I don't think he's ever messed up completely (listen to the utterly appalling GE soundtrack to remind yourself how bad it can be) but that is not good enough. As others have noted, he has a perculiar aversion to using the Bond theme at 'obvious' moments when this is what the film is crying out for. the early Bonds happily used the theme as almost a throw-away incidental tune and it usually worked brilliantly. If you are going to leave the theme out entirely as in CR you better make damn sure your score is excellent, which it was not.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 11,119
    Getafix wrote:
    Arnold has had a fair crack now and never really delivered a killer score. To his credit I don't think he's ever messed up completely (listen to the utterly appalling GE soundtrack to remind yourself how bad it can be) but that is not good enough. As others have noted, he has a perculiar aversion to using the Bond theme at 'obvious' moments when this is what the film is crying out for. the early Bonds happily used the theme as almost a throw-away incidental tune and it usually worked brilliantly. If you are going to leave the theme out entirely as in CR you better make damn sure your score is excellent, which it was not.

    And if I hear Sam Mendes, Daniel Craig and Babs & Michael talking about 'Skyfall', they will NOT take scores that are 'just good enough' for granted. For 'Skyfall', they are really dragging all talents out of every team member: Actors, production staff AND music department staff alike. And they won't say it openly, but I think Babs & Michael are desperate to get an Oscar nomination.

    To summarize in short the problems I have with David Arnold:

    A) He has never been completely the self-made man in the music department he would like to be. Conducting is not his strongsuit. He actually needs Nicholas Dodd for that. Writing music on paper....well, that's not his strongsuit either. He always composes by watching first edited film rolls. IMO a let-down.

    B) Then there are all these filler themes; background music. John Barry always composed it himself. David Arnold on the contrary always asked other music colleagues to do him a favour. For instance, Four Tet for 'Crawl End Crawl' (We still don't know what percentage of this score IS actually his own original composition) and Propellorheads for 'Backseat Driver'. But one can also mention the Carver Party music in 'Tomorrow Never Dies'. That music is great, but it is not HIS.

    C) I am also not satisfied with his way of composing. It is just not his talent. He is a great guy getting together a great team. A great 'string puller' so to say. But as stand alone composer he lacks talent. He can not create those memorable unforgettable melodies that actually made watching 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' and 'The Living Daylights' great musical fun! Tracks that are easy-to-whistle so to say.

    That's why I say. Bring on one of the three composers down below and get rid of Arnold in a neat way :):
    - John Powell
    - Alexandre Desplat
    - Michael Giacchino
  • Posts: 11,425
    Ah the OHMSS chase tune. Now THAT'S a theme.
  • Getafix wrote:
    Ah the OHMSS chase tune. Now THAT'S a theme.

    You mean this one ;)?
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    You are right 200% Getafix. A theme that, sadly, David Arnold could not do.
  • Posts: 11,425
    This kind of quality is beyond him but then we are comparing him to one of the all time greats. The Propellorheads collaboration on TND was about as good as its got with DA. That said, his Surrender from TND wasn't a bad title track and I like You Know my Name. Slim pickings tho.
  • I really hope this returns in some way in the next film.. :)

  • Posts: 1,894
    I think....Michael Giacchino knows perfectly how to bring certain cultural sounds in his music. Take these themes for example. I'd say: Wunderful.
    And I say zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Sorry, but I found there to be nothing exciting about Giacchino's score.
    And, I say it again, I want David Arnold OFF the Bond projects now. Time for new blood.
    Well, thank the stars you aren't making the big decisions about the films. If David Arnold is replaced, it will be because EON feel there is a better candidate available. But if Arnold is the best candidate, he will be retained. You're too emotionally-invested in the choice of composer to be able to make the right choice - if Arnold produced a recording of a score that John Barry would have been proud of, you would probably still have him removed.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 5,767
    I think....Michael Giacchino knows perfectly how to bring certain cultural sounds in his music. Take these themes for example. I'd say: Wunderful.
    And I say zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Sorry, but I found there to be nothing exciting about Giacchino's score.
    Funny, that´s exactly what came to my mind too.
    I would add an ´s´ after ´score´. I´m not very fond of his work. And I don´t think much more of Powell. Arnold is more messy in way and much less theme-insistent, but he´s still way ahead of those two when it comes to big noisy pictures. Desplat is very good at small scale drama, but he always failed miserably when he did something cinemascopic.

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