Purvis & Wade out - John Logan in for Bond 24

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    Just because Mr. White is alive that doesn't mean Quantum exists. He was a facilitator, and D. Greene told Bond all there is about quantum.

    Yes, this is worth considering. Quantum could conceivably be finished. Bond exposed much of their membership. That might have been enough to shut them down as an Organization going forward.
    Thus with Quantum easily explained away as done and gone, in the wake of their exposure and their failures at both Royale and Bolivia and the Canadian caper too, it opens the door for the re-introduction of Spectre!!!! :)
  • it would be nice if they address who has the 150 million fund that Mr. White took and who now have it...they never address this in QOS
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited October 2012 Posts: 4,399
    timmer wrote:
    Just because Mr. White is alive that doesn't mean Quantum exists. He was a facilitator, and D. Greene told Bond all there is about quantum.

    Yes, this is worth considering. Quantum could conceivably be finished. Bond exposed much of their membership. That might have been enough to shut them down as an Organization going forward.
    Thus with Quantum easily explained away as done and gone, in the wake of their exposure and their failures at both Royale and Bolivia and the Canadian caper too, it opens the door for the re-introduction of Spectre!!!! :)

    substitute one for the other??..... i would rather just continue on with QUANTUM
  • timmer wrote:
    Just because Mr. White is alive that doesn't mean Quantum exists. He was a facilitator, and D. Greene told Bond all there is about quantum.

    Yes, this is worth considering. Quantum could conceivably be finished. Bond exposed much of their membership. That might have been enough to shut them down as an Organization going forward.
    Thus with Quantum easily explained away as done and gone, in the wake of their exposure and their failures at both Royale and Bolivia and the Canadian caper too, it opens the door for the re-introduction of Spectre!!!! :)

    Funny thing is though, the order of CR-QOS seemingly also follow DN-FRWL quite well, and SPECTRE lasted for three more movies.

    In FRWL you can say SPECTRE was exposed following the lektor being stolen and having its structure weakened with Numbers 3, 5 and their top agent Grant dying. Hence, this is why TB begins with SPECTRE being bankrupted and needing money - leading to a more elaborate scheme by Largo compared to the first two films.

    With QOS, if we are assuming that Greene is one of the "numbers" or top officers in the Quantum organization, then most of it would probably be leaked out as well. In addition, Mr. White (who I'm counting as one of the heads as well) has probably been ousted or demoted following his exposure to Mi6, and already one of Quantum's top agents Yusef has been taken into custody.

    So if Logan does plan on doing a GF-TB duo following Skyfall, I can see the team reverting back to Quantum being more bold and drastic compared to the low key schemes of CR (where they were essentially trying to play stocks) or QOS (control through environmentalism).
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    To say Quantum failed in its escapades where as Spectre didn't or wouldn't? Makes me laugh so much! =)) Remember Bond will pretty much win the day regardless, it's all about at what cost to him it involves?
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    The next Bond villain will be Silva's twin brother seeking revenge for Raoul.

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    I'm not sure I care about QUANTUM returning. In fact I hope they don't now as they didn't make much of an impact in QoS. I'd much rather Logan tried his hand at another fraternity of villains instead.
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    bondsum wrote:
    I'm not sure I care about QUANTUM returning. In fact I hope they don't now as they didn't make much of an impact in QoS. I'd much rather Logan tried his hand at another fraternity of villains instead.

    But what would be the point of that? Besides? You would have all the Spectre fans coming out in protest as well! Just give Quantum BETTER villains! Thats all it needs.
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    But that other fraternity of villains could easily be SPECTRE with QUANTUM as a sort of subterfuge - a front to a much larger governing body. The fact is that QUANTUM is simply a pale imitation of The Bohemian Grove Club and could come from the pages of a Dan Brown novel. Unlike you, @RogueAgent, I'm not sure I'd want 007 pursuing conspiracy Illuminati-like behavior when there's a much better option open to them.
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    bondsum wrote:
    But that other fraternity of villains could easily be SPECTRE with QUANTUM as a sort of subterfuge - a front to a much larger governing body. The fact is that QUANTUM is simply a pale imitation of The Bohemian Grove Club and could come from the pages of a Dan Brown novel. Unlike you, @RogueAgent, I'm not sure I'd want 007 pursuing conspiracy Illuminati-like behavior when there's a much better option open to them.

    Someone brought up having SPECTRE take over Quantum, perhaps a 'gang war' style or whatever.
    That'd be interesting.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 3,333
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Someone brought up having SPECTRE take over Quantum, perhaps a 'gang war' style or whatever.
    That'd be interesting.
    I agree. That would be a more interesting idea than the current Bohemian Grove Club one which will be just more of the same: making decisions that rule the world; manipulating interest rates and choosing political candidates shlock. There's probably not many places that Quantum can go without treading on Dan Brown's toes.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 4,622
    One thing that differentiated Quantum from Spectre is that Quantum truly did operate in the shadows. Mi6 didn't even know that it existed, until Bond got to White. Meanwhile Blofeld was happy to flaunt Spectre's existence, although you could argue that if DN hadn't opened his big mouth to what he thought was a doomed Bond, Blofeld and Spectre might have stayed in the shadows. However if you go back to Spectre's roots in the TB novel, Blofeld wasn't shy about trumpeting his organization's existence nor was he shy about this in the film.
    On the other hand, exposure to the extent that we saw in the Tosca scene in QoS, conceivably could be the end of Quantum.
    However it wouldn't take much for filmmakers to contrive a rebuilt Quantum. It doesn't have to be dead but it would also be quite easy to explain that it was.
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    I am fine with logan continuing I think Skyfall from what i seen is a good fun film I'd like the next one to be a shade darker though.
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    bondsum wrote:
    But that other fraternity of villains could easily be SPECTRE with QUANTUM as a sort of subterfuge - a front to a much larger governing body. The fact is that QUANTUM is simply a pale imitation of The Bohemian Grove Club and could come from the pages of a Dan Brown novel. Unlike you, @RogueAgent, I'm not sure I'd want 007 pursuing conspiracy Illuminati-like behavior when there's a much better option open to them.

    They created Quantum for a reason? That reason i am guessing will be Bond 24 and 25 now? Or atleast i hope so!
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    Yes, @RogueAgent, Quantum filled in for SMERSH from the Casino Royale novel as the latter is now redundant and the writers had to come up with a replacement. That was why it was created, but like I said above it's really The Bohemian Grove Club renamed as Quantum.
  • someone tell Logan a Gamekeeper should know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    craigrules wrote:
    someone tell Logan a Gamekeeper should know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle.

    This isn't funny, this is pure trolling.

  • No it's not.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited October 2012 Posts: 3,497
    Yes, it is, DaltonCraig.
  • He was no fan of mine.
  • I'm going to try to explain why I feel Quantum and Blofeld should/must return in Bond 24, and what I hope Logan is going to try and do with them going forward. For the most part, I think many Bond fans would agree that even if they aren't their favorite films, the Connery era was the golden age of Bond, and that in some way the Craig era is trying to mimic that magic. In those early films, Specter and Blofeld was featured prominently, but introduced slowly. In DR we only get a hint of what Specter is, then in FRWL we get a small glimpse of the organizations inner-circle and the as-yet-unnamed Blofeld. GF is a stand-alone and skips over Specter, while in TB we get a very detailed look at how Specter operates with the board-room scene. Then in YOLT we get to see Blofeld and hear his name, and from then on he becomes Bonds arch nemesis.

    Building up to this point took 3 films, and I think that it is Logan's hope to have this new Bond era reach this same point in either Bond 24 or Bond 25. If you think about it, Quantum is referred to in CR by the presence of Mr. White, and then QoS gives us a glimpse of the organizations oppressions much like DN, and FRWL did respectively. Continuing to mimic Connery era, the third film in the Craig era is Skyfall, a standalone much like Goldfinger. This means that the next logical step would be to have Bond 24 be either like TB where we see Quantum undertaking a world domination type scheme where Blofeld is introduced slightly, or a YOLT type film where Blofeld is the main villain and becomes Bonds main nemesis.

    Personally, I hope that Bond 24 is a hybrid of TB and YOLT where Bond must thwart a Quantum scheme and ends up coming face-to-face with the organizations leader Blofeld. Rather than use Bond 24 as a film to continue Bonds character development, I want the film to develop Quantum and the character Blofeld. Unfortunately though I wouldn't be suprised if Logan wrote Bond 24 as a re-imagination of OHMSS and use it as yet further emotional character building for Bond so that going into Bond 25 he will have a personal hatred for Blofeld, and Bond 25 would end up being like YOLT the book and see Blofeld die, ending a two film story ark.
  • @sirseanisbond

    Agreed. I think the end of SF is the biggest indication yet that it's harking back to the Connery era.

    The fact that most people you speak to now consider Craig and Connery as the best bonds also goes someway to explain the route their going.

    John Logan is a brilliant writer in my mind and I'm counting down the days already
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    I am very excited Bond 24 is not only officaly happening but within 2 years Really would like Risico for the title....
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    why is Logan considered a franchise killer? was ST: Nemisis that bad? I didn't think so ... With SF being great, I hope good things are ahead for bond
  • I just watched the premiere footage. Theres a priceless moment when Ralph Fiennes is interviewed on the red carpet and says 'well John Logan wrote a terrific script' as if P&W didnt even exist. I suspect these two were something of a laughing stock between Mendes, DC and the distinguished cast and as far as anyone on the film was concerned it was Logans work.

    I love to imagine Mendes, Dan, Javier, Ralph and Judi in a trailer one day ripping the piss out of how clueless P&W were and Babs walked past and overheard and finally saw the light that these clowns were just amateurs holding the series back. She realised if she didnt sack them sharpish they would be laughing at her next.

    This has happened constantly throughout the promotion for SF. Logans name mentioned by cast and crew but no mention of Purvis and Wade. I really question sometimes of how much involvement they had during the writing process of SF.

    I recently watched the documentary script to screen on the DAD bluray. The film may have its problems but the documentary is definately worth watching to see how these two worked on the film. Considering the time they had to come up with a screenplay for that film you would think that the end result would have been far more interesting. The documentary does show though how much Lee Tamahori injected complete and utter nonsense into the final film. (There is a moment in the docu where Tamahori is talking and BB is in the background biting her nails thinking what on earth have i hired!)

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    As far as I remember, the DAD novelisation wasn't bad which was obviously based on P & W's script before Tamahori messed the whole thing up.

    I think P & W would have had quite a lot of involvement but who knows how much was changed after their draft of the screenplay by other writers, the director and Craig.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,261
    robboadam wrote:
    And CORIOLANUS, Ralph Fiennes' directorial debut (which, BTW, did not get a distributation in Germany movien theaters, it was a straight to DVD release)).... I know, it is Shakespeare, but Branagh got a nomination Best adapted screenplay for HAMLET, when all he did was, that we got Hamlet uncut and at 4 hours running time....

    Hmm......


    Love this one...
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  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    And this might happen to the script which needs just a small rewrite...

  • edited December 2012 Posts: 546
    I'm glad Purvis & Wade are out! I blame them for Die Another Day getting mix reviews. I don't dislike them, but I'm glad their gone. Great news!
  • I could see a scenario where Quantum regroups and goes back into "the shadows", so to speak. All of Quantum's members that were exposed by Bond at the opera, including Mr. White, could turn up assassinated by Quantum in order to maintain secrecy. This isn't too far fetched considering that SPECTRE killed its incompetent members in practically every movie. I think Quantum needs to become more menacing anyway if it is going to have any more presence in the films.

    In the PTS of Bond 24, 007 could be investigating an unrelated mission, only to discover some sort of computer document indicating that Quantum is involved.
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