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I found a deleted moment from DAD- I guess this was just a tad less acceptable than the para-surf scene...
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Completely agree. It was a far cry from what they did in DAD. Some of us noticed it but it was not offensive. It sort of supplemented the stuntwork for the most part. I'm hoping for even more subtlety going forward, but as I said, I'm a little discerning (picky perhaps) when it comes to this.
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Hm, given that VFX artists have not much consideration from Hollywood, you should rather say "Paid for by Hollywood Studios" :)
If you think VFX artists and stuntmen are "at war" with one another, well, IMO, no, they are both victims of Hollywood for years !
And well, stuntmen are probably asked to perform as motion capture references for some of the effects.
CGI is here to stay and we can count on seeing it in Bond 24...
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As far as that TDKR scene is concerned, I was in fact taken out of the experience, because of Bane´s voice sounding as if it were right inside my own head. What´s all that realism good for if a main character sounds as if he was poorly dubbed in?
What were they trying to achieve? As you say, coming away from certain CGI usage. Realism? Hardly. I know the term was used a lot during the promotion, but that´s nonsense, they just shifted the perception of realism. The crane scene is right at the start of the movie, so it´s part of the elements that set the tone for the film. There are some similar moments throughout the film, e.g. Bond going straight back to the table after having been zapped out of a cardiac arrest, or Bond pulling a 6 inch nail out of his shoulder.
Talking about TSHLM, Strombergs institute rising out off the water shows certain limits of what can be done with models. Many elements are still breathtaking, but the water falling from the structure when it rises is one thing that always annoyed me, because the water just looks magnified and thus makes the structure rising out off it appear unreal. Perhaps CGI could have helped here.
But if you didn´t see it was him doing it for real before, then what´s the point? If in a few years Cruise would say in an interview that he catually didn´t do it for real, would you then degrade the film? Shouldn´t the film by itself make you decide wether or not you like it?
I may be wrong here, but IIRC she says that regarding the satellite, which in fact does look decent even 12 years later.
Exodus had some Ben Hur moments, which look fantastic. And the battle scenes in TLOTR couldn´t have been done without CGI. I even go as far as claiming that the CGI blood flying through the air in Gladiator makes the battle scenes look more realistic.
Trying to refocuss on the thread title, the tube train crashing past Bond in SF looked worse than any CGI in that movie.
re: TDKR, I agree that Bane's voice in the plane sequence is very annoying. It's true that this messes up what could be a near perfect scene. However, I'm still awed by the way they filmed that scene in IMAX. I similarly am very impressed by the money theft/loss scene in Cliffhanger.
re: CR and what they were trying to acheive - I was responding to @chrisisall's point that the crane sequence did not need to be so extravagant, given that they seemed to be shooting for a toned down thriller with CR. Some suspension of disbelief is required (i.e. about the quick recovery from poisoning) perhaps, since he's Bond, but the film did generally have a toned down quality.
re: TSWLM - yes, no doubt there are limitations to models, but that scene is still very well done given it was 1977. I think it's much better than a lot of stuff that was out there at the time
re: Cruise - when I saw the Dubai scene I remember thinking that CGI had come a really long way. I assumed it was CGI but I thought it was exceptional CGI. Once I knew he did it for real, I just had a new appreciation for it. Keep in mind that I really enjoy the China elevator scene in SF too (I did not realize it was CGI when I first saw it). Now, even though I know it's CGI, I still love it. It looks real to me and is suitably tense (with Patrice turning down when Bond grabs the elevator etc.). So I don't mind CGI, as long as I can't tell that it is CGI. I could tell about the bike and the fight on the train.
Yes, agree, the crashing train in SF is rubbish on so many levels.
Yet it's still not as bad for your eyes as watching the DAD parasurfing scene.
That DVD extra is one of the funniest things ever. Some NZ bird who was clearly Tamahori's mate actually keeping a straight face as she says these things. They might be regarded as good FX in NZ love where the audience is mostly sheep are but in the rest of the world they're an embarrassment.
Would be interesting to find out what she's doing now: 5/2: waiting tables, Evens: Hanged herself in shame, 1000/1: Still working in the FX business.
Wait- he was hanging on the ice cliff, and I went to the bathroom & when I got back he was heading to his car... did I miss anything important?
A technical question, and I´m not trying to contradict you here: I never thought much of and about IMAX, so forgive my lack of education, but what is it that makes you awed by that scene being filmed in IMAX? If you have a br frame cut off at the sides, wouldn´t that be the same?
I love how they make the plane into pieces. Without the bleakness of light and colours, and with all the voices sounding natural, I would have that scene in any Bond film without thinking, no matter how ripped-off from LTK it might be. I wouldn´t have had any problem if Bane´s voice would have been partly unintelligible, just the opposite, it would have made him even meaner.
I was just very impressed with the opening heist scene of TDK which was filmed in IMAX - it was super sharp in the large IMAX theatre in which I initially saw the film. The same thing with the TDKR scenes that were filmed in IMAX. They just looked better imo because everything got bigger on screen without losing resolution (in fact I think the resolution is actually enhanced, or at least it seems that way to me - like a super sharp zoom-in). When I later learned how heavy these cameras are, I had even more appreciation for what they must have gone through to film these scenes.
In the theatre, and on my BR copy, the scene is not cut off on the sides though. It just gets bigger (like a zoom-in but without cutting off the top). It's like a full screen shot without cropping. I did enjoy SF in the IMAX theatre as well mind you so I'm not advocating for IMAX cameras necessarily.
Totally agree with you :)
I'm must see this. Is it included on the Bond 50 DAD disc?
Edit: This must be it-
Absolutely golden.
Priceless: 06.21 'It is absolutely stupendous.'
I hope those words are engraved on your headstone.
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And well, this woman continued to work for the movies, including for some movie with blue aliens by James Cameron, and for years she had the job some of you here dream of : reading screenplays after screenplays to estimate the cost of VFX...
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/vfx/cg-actors-logan-never-knew-149013.html
The dragons were convincing - not real for sure and therefore not matching up to the crocodile scenes in LALD (which they were obviously trying to pay homage to); honestly never noticed if the helicopters were real.... Figured the dentures scene was CGI but that was definitely convincing. Mountains out of mole hills here, I think.
I think the facial replacement is just the modern version of the back projection. Just like in the old days, EON want us to think we're seeing the actors do these crazy things, even though we really don't. That being said, I would rather have the facial replacement (though CR proved it wasn't needed) than constant cuts to a Bond actor in front of a choppy screen that really got out of hand in YOLT and OHMSS.
The faces during the motorcycle chase often look pasted on.