US Election - November 6

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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I wonder what President Ford would have done?
  • RC7RC7
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    00Beast wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    I have to agreeably disagree here. First off, I'll just say that I do not believe that gay people should have any rights to get married. I believe in a God who intended marriage to be between man and woman only, and I back candidates like Romney who see it that way as well. Secondly, I do sympathize for rape victims, I mean it is a terrible tragedy, but I believe that abortion is the equivalent of murder, since it is killing off God's creation in the womb.

    If every American citizen was like you the world would be absolutely f'd.

    Take your head out of that work of fiction and smell the coffee. I'm quite a liberal sort who tends to adhere to the idea that everyone has a valid opinion. I draw the line at this kind of horse sh*t though. Religion and Politics shouldn't be allowed in the same universe. One deals with actuality and as such those who partake in it can be held accountable. The other leads to a situation where your actions are not your own but determined by a man in the sky. You're just as bad as the people you despise in the middle east. Take off the shackles, travel the world, meet people who think differently and open your mind to 'reality'. Sitting behind the safety blanket of the US border will destroy you from the inside.
    Well said @RC7.

    Work of fiction? Hmmm, I don't think so. Why don't you try reading it before that conclusion is made.

    As someone who was raised a catholic and undertook religious studies until 15 I don't need to be lectured. I made my own choices after being brought up in a progressive society where critical thinking is more important than wholesale acceptance of something as rationally plausible as the Lord of the Rings.
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    RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    I have to agreeably disagree here. First off, I'll just say that I do not believe that gay people should have any rights to get married. I believe in a God who intended marriage to be between man and woman only, and I back candidates like Romney who see it that way as well. Secondly, I do sympathize for rape victims, I mean it is a terrible tragedy, but I believe that abortion is the equivalent of murder, since it is killing off God's creation in the womb.

    If every American citizen was like you the world would be absolutely f'd.

    Take your head out of that work of fiction and smell the coffee. I'm quite a liberal sort who tends to adhere to the idea that everyone has a valid opinion. I draw the line at this kind of horse sh*t though. Religion and Politics shouldn't be allowed in the same universe. One deals with actuality and as such those who partake in it can be held accountable. The other leads to a situation where your actions are not your own but determined by a man in the sky. You're just as bad as the people you despise in the middle east. Take off the shackles, travel the world, meet people who think differently and open your mind to 'reality'. Sitting behind the safety blanket of the US border will destroy you from the inside.
    Well said @RC7.

    Work of fiction? Hmmm, I don't think so. Why don't you try reading it before that conclusion is made.

    As someone who was raised a catholic and undertook religious studies until 15 I don't need to be lectured. I made my own choices after being brought up in a progressive society where critical thinking is more important than wholesale acceptance of something as rationally plausible as the Lord of the Rings.

    Be that as it may, I need hardly remind you that Christianity is the widest spreading religion with more followers than any other, and certainly the most influence. It's not like I'm pulling all of this out of a hat just to spark an argument for my own good fun. Millions of other people would say the same thing I am saying.
  • 00Beast wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    I have to agreeably disagree here. First off, I'll just say that I do not believe that gay people should have any rights to get married. I believe in a God who intended marriage to be between man and woman only, and I back candidates like Romney who see it that way as well. Secondly, I do sympathize for rape victims, I mean it is a terrible tragedy, but I believe that abortion is the equivalent of murder, since it is killing off God's creation in the womb.

    If every American citizen was like you the world would be absolutely f'd.

    Take your head out of that work of fiction and smell the coffee. I'm quite a liberal sort who tends to adhere to the idea that everyone has a valid opinion. I draw the line at this kind of horse sh*t though. Religion and Politics shouldn't be allowed in the same universe. One deals with actuality and as such those who partake in it can be held accountable. The other leads to a situation where your actions are not your own but determined by a man in the sky. You're just as bad as the people you despise in the middle east. Take off the shackles, travel the world, meet people who think differently and open your mind to 'reality'. Sitting behind the safety blanket of the US border will destroy you from the inside.
    Well said @RC7.

    Work of fiction? Hmmm, I don't think so. Why don't you try reading it before that conclusion is made.

    As someone who was raised a catholic and undertook religious studies until 15 I don't need to be lectured. I made my own choices after being brought up in a progressive society where critical thinking is more important than wholesale acceptance of something as rationally plausible as the Lord of the Rings.

    Be that as it may, I need hardly remind you that Christianity is the widest spreading religion with more followers than any other, and certainly the most influence. It's not like I'm pulling all of this out of a hat just to spark an argument for my own good fun. Millions of other people would say the same thing I am saying.

    Yeah, and they'd all be wrong too. Religion is the worst thing ever to have happened to mankind...
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    00Beast wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    I have to agreeably disagree here. First off, I'll just say that I do not believe that gay people should have any rights to get married. I believe in a God who intended marriage to be between man and woman only, and I back candidates like Romney who see it that way as well. Secondly, I do sympathize for rape victims, I mean it is a terrible tragedy, but I believe that abortion is the equivalent of murder, since it is killing off God's creation in the womb.

    If every American citizen was like you the world would be absolutely f'd.

    Take your head out of that work of fiction and smell the coffee. I'm quite a liberal sort who tends to adhere to the idea that everyone has a valid opinion. I draw the line at this kind of horse sh*t though. Religion and Politics shouldn't be allowed in the same universe. One deals with actuality and as such those who partake in it can be held accountable. The other leads to a situation where your actions are not your own but determined by a man in the sky. You're just as bad as the people you despise in the middle east. Take off the shackles, travel the world, meet people who think differently and open your mind to 'reality'. Sitting behind the safety blanket of the US border will destroy you from the inside.
    Well said @RC7.

    Work of fiction? Hmmm, I don't think so. Why don't you try reading it before that conclusion is made.

    As someone who was raised a catholic and undertook religious studies until 15 I don't need to be lectured. I made my own choices after being brought up in a progressive society where critical thinking is more important than wholesale acceptance of something as rationally plausible as the Lord of the Rings.

    Be that as it may, I need hardly remind you that Christianity is the widest spreading religion with more followers than any other, and certainly the most influence. It's not like I'm pulling all of this out of a hat just to spark an argument for my own good fun. Millions of other people would say the same thing I am saying.

    Just because that you're a christian doesen't mean that one's opinions need to be to a extreme in all kinds of way.
    Just let everyone marry whoever they want and let people do abortion if they want to, everything is up to one's own opinions and values!
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 4,813
    Let's talk Presidents. Keep the religion for some other thread.

    *that said I sincerely hope you didn't vote for Romney just because he's the same religion as you...
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    Let's talk Presidents. Keep the religion for some other thread.

    *that said I sincerely hope you didn't vote for Romney just because he's the same religion as you...


    That was the intent, but unfortunately, you can't state facts around here without being quickly bombarded by the anti-religion police, even if it deals with the topic on hand. Oh well.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    00Beast wrote:
    Let's talk Presidents. Keep the religion for some other thread.

    *that said I sincerely hope you didn't vote for Romney just because he's the same religion as you...


    That was the intent, but unfortunately, you can't state facts around here without being quickly bombarded by the anti-religion police, even if it deals with the topic on hand. Oh well.

    Religion is not fact. It's a belief system. Belief and fact are two different things.
  • WillardWhyteWillardWhyte Midnight Society #ProjectMoon
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    Just back from voting for Romney....my job here is done. Now hopefully tomorrow I can get through an episode of ESPN Sportscenter without hearing anything about politics ( it didn't happen today).
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Just back from voting for Romney....my job here is done. Now hopefully tomorrow I can get through an episode of ESPN Sportscenter without hearing anything about politics ( it didn't happen today).

    Sports and politics? I don't see how those two come together in any way.
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    00Beast wrote:
    Let's talk Presidents. Keep the religion for some other thread.

    *that said I sincerely hope you didn't vote for Romney just because he's the same religion as you...


    That was the intent, but unfortunately, you can't state facts around here without being quickly bombarded by the anti-religion police, even if it deals with the topic on hand. Oh well.

    Religion is not fact. It's a belief system. Belief and fact are two different things.

    Depends on what religion you're talking about. And there's more than enough proof to turn belief into fact.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    00Beast wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Let's talk Presidents. Keep the religion for some other thread.

    *that said I sincerely hope you didn't vote for Romney just because he's the same religion as you...


    That was the intent, but unfortunately, you can't state facts around here without being quickly bombarded by the anti-religion police, even if it deals with the topic on hand. Oh well.

    Religion is not fact. It's a belief system. Belief and fact are two different things.

    Depends on what religion you're talking about. And there's more than enough proof to turn belief into fact.

    And you're going to present this proof... when? No religion is fact, as I said before, it is a belief system. All of them are belief systems. They were invented by humans as a way to explain the unexplainable, Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and all others just exist to split people into camps, so that one group can decide they're better than another simply because they believe this or believe that. Just like politics, in fact.
  • Posts: 4,762
    00Beast wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Let's talk Presidents. Keep the religion for some other thread.

    *that said I sincerely hope you didn't vote for Romney just because he's the same religion as you...


    That was the intent, but unfortunately, you can't state facts around here without being quickly bombarded by the anti-religion police, even if it deals with the topic on hand. Oh well.

    Religion is not fact. It's a belief system. Belief and fact are two different things.

    Depends on what religion you're talking about. And there's more than enough proof to turn belief into fact.

    And you're going to present this proof... when? No religion is fact, as I said before, it is a belief system. All of them are belief systems. They were invented by humans as a way to explain the unexplainable, Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and all others just exist to split people into camps, so that one group can decide they're better than another simply because they believe this or believe that. Just like politics, in fact.

    Can you disprove Genesis 1:1? If so, I'd love to hear that one.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 4,813
    But consider this:


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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    00Beast wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Let's talk Presidents. Keep the religion for some other thread.

    *that said I sincerely hope you didn't vote for Romney just because he's the same religion as you...


    That was the intent, but unfortunately, you can't state facts around here without being quickly bombarded by the anti-religion police, even if it deals with the topic on hand. Oh well.

    Religion is not fact. It's a belief system. Belief and fact are two different things.

    Depends on what religion you're talking about. And there's more than enough proof to turn belief into fact.

    And you're going to present this proof... when? No religion is fact, as I said before, it is a belief system. All of them are belief systems. They were invented by humans as a way to explain the unexplainable, Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and all others just exist to split people into camps, so that one group can decide they're better than another simply because they believe this or believe that. Just like politics, in fact.

    Can you disprove Genesis 1:1? If so, I'd love to hear that one.

    Only when you start giving me proof that it's true. Also, my Bible's not in the room, can you please remind me what it is?
  • WillardWhyteWillardWhyte Midnight Society #ProjectMoon
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    Just back from voting for Romney....my job here is done. Now hopefully tomorrow I can get through an episode of ESPN Sportscenter without hearing anything about politics ( it didn't happen today).

    Sports and politics? I don't see how those two come together in any way.

    Well it happened today during one of their shows...that had interviews with both candidates....it was ridiculous! All I was trying to do was see highlights from the Eagles/Saints game.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Just back from voting for Romney....my job here is done. Now hopefully tomorrow I can get through an episode of ESPN Sportscenter without hearing anything about politics ( it didn't happen today).

    Sports and politics? I don't see how those two come together in any way.

    Well it happened today during one of their shows...that had interviews with both candidates....it was ridiculous! All I was trying to do was see highlights from the Eagles/Saints game.

    Outrageous.
  • Posts: 4,762
    00Beast wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Let's talk Presidents. Keep the religion for some other thread.

    *that said I sincerely hope you didn't vote for Romney just because he's the same religion as you...


    That was the intent, but unfortunately, you can't state facts around here without being quickly bombarded by the anti-religion police, even if it deals with the topic on hand. Oh well.

    Religion is not fact. It's a belief system. Belief and fact are two different things.

    Depends on what religion you're talking about. And there's more than enough proof to turn belief into fact.

    And you're going to present this proof... when? No religion is fact, as I said before, it is a belief system. All of them are belief systems. They were invented by humans as a way to explain the unexplainable, Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and all others just exist to split people into camps, so that one group can decide they're better than another simply because they believe this or believe that. Just like politics, in fact.

    Can you disprove Genesis 1:1? If so, I'd love to hear that one.

    Only when you start giving me proof that it's true. Also, my Bible's not in the room, can you please remind me what it is?

    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." First verse of the Bible, incredibly simple, and quite frankly, makes life tons easier not having to think of all this "who am I?" or "where did I come from?" or "what is life" that so many people attempt to find answers for.


    @Master_Dahark: What? How is that relevant at all?
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    00Beast wrote:
    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." First verse of the Bible, incredibly simple, and quite frankly, makes life tons easier not having to think of all this "who am I?" or "where did I come from?" or "what is life" that so many people attempt to find answers for.

    The Big Bang. Seems pretty simple to me.

    In a slightly more explanatory way, we've either already discovered the particles left over from the Big Bang, or we've discovered what we think are the particles left over from the Big Bang, one or the other. Plus, what's wrong with trying to find the answers? Are you trying to say that thinking is overrated, and we should just believe the Bible because we're stupid?
  • 00Beast wrote:
    @Master_Dahark: What? How is that relevant at all?
    Just some much-needed levity up in this beeyotch.
    Here's some more- my poor cat has no idea what's going on

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    I hope when the winner is announced we'll all shake hands (in forum terms) and hope that whoever is elected does a good job
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Well, of course we'll all hope that whoever's elected does a good job. Though I want Obama to win, I'll still want Romney to do a good job if he's elected. I can't exactly leave the country, so I'll be stuck with "supporting" whoever ends up in the White House.
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    00Beast wrote:
    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." First verse of the Bible, incredibly simple, and quite frankly, makes life tons easier not having to think of all this "who am I?" or "where did I come from?" or "what is life" that so many people attempt to find answers for.

    The Big Bang. Seems pretty simple to me.

    In a slightly more explanatory way, we've either already discovered the particles left over from the Big Bang, or we've discovered what we think are the particles left over from the Big Bang, one or the other. Plus, what's wrong with trying to find the answers? Are you trying to say that thinking is overrated, and we should just believe the Bible because we're stupid?

    Believe the Bible because it is ten thousand more times logical than any explosion! There's no kind of explosion that can create an entire universe, all plants, minerals, animals, the sun, the moon, and PEOPLE for goodness sake! Humans are entirely too complex for any random explosion to create. If there's nothing at all before this "Big Bang", then where did the matter from the explosion come from? It's absurd. You don't need to find any answers, because they've already been found in The Word. You don't have to believe me, that's just what I know.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    00Beast wrote:
    Believe the Bible because it is ten thousand more times logical than any explosion!

    I'm quite certain a cosmic storm makes ten thousand times more sense than voice from the sky.
    00Beast wrote:
    There's no kind of explosion that can create an entire universe, all plants, minerals, animals, the sun, the moon, and PEOPLE for goodness sake! Humans are entirely too complex for any random explosion to create.

    So, I guess you come from one of those places that refuses to teach evolution.
    00Beast wrote:
    If there's nothing at all before this "Big Bang", then where did the matter from the explosion come from?

    I pose the same question to you: Where did God come from? The Big Bang was an explosion in which matter and anti-matter collided, thereby creating what we call the universe. It didn't "come from" anywhere, it was already there and simply changed form. Law of Conservation of Mass - "matter cannot be created or destroyed, and simply changes form".
    00Beast wrote:
    It's absurd. You don't need to find any answers, because they've already been found in The Word. You don't have to believe me, that's just what I know.

    I didn't find those answers. I make my decisions, I decide what I believe. What you're telling me is that I should just defer to the people who wrote the words that make up that book that you put so far above the human beings right beside you simply because the "answers" are already there. The Bible gives no answers, it just gives words. Words no different than those that I'm typing in this post. I'm not demanding that somebody just worship me simply because I have the ability to put words down (if you do so, that is your choice, but know this: I cannot perform miracles).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    In a slightly more explanatory way, we've either already discovered the particles left over from the Big Bang, or we've discovered what we think are the particles left over from the Big Bang
    Please, that hurts my brain, I like when people hand me superhero fairy tales (minus the tights) to explain the world, then my life is simpler & easier. And like McDonalds fans, billions served! Can't be wrong going with the most popular, right?
  • SAY we're still talking about religion! I don't have cable- can anyone fill me in on who's ahead in the polls?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Romney is ahead.... as of now....
    I sadly fear the worst. (Legend ref)
  • Thanks Chris-- I did look online but I mostly see news on 'voting lines' and 'could go either way' type of things
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    Romney projected to win Indiana. Obama projected to win Vermont.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    bondbat007 wrote:
    Romney projected to win Indiana.

    Oh, Lord, does that anger me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Oh, Lord, does that anger me.
    Anger leads to the Dark Side...

    Just sayin'. b-(
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