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He's right though. Bond isn't a normal man, even in the books and the more realistic films he's a bit of a superman. If you don't like that version of Bond which Bond films do you actually like?
He isn't a superman. He's a man with human qualities ie reflection, ennui, arrogance, snobbery, compulsive obcessiveness, jadedness, cynicism and loyalty.
Some actors and films turned him into a cartoon. I wonder which ones?
After seeing CR I finally thought to myself, "Dear God EON finally did it, they made the perfect Bond, a bond movie that could both appease the Bond Fleming Fans and the Bond Cinema fans. Again after seeing CR I assumed the bond franchise was finally heading into a new direction that would be gritty, darker and overall more serious. But after seeing Skyfail all of my expectations of that have completely disappeared. I feel as if skyfail was a script written for Pierce Brosnan, rather than Daniel Craig. I also feel like EON felt rushed and introduced the classic characters like Q, Moneypenny and the new M in too quickly/sloppfully just for the pure reason of the anniversary , rather than taking the time to incorporate them into a well-crafted story that truly could have introduced them in a more original fashion.
I feel like the reboot era of Craig is slowly turning the clocks back and is entering into a route already taken with Brosnan. It amazes me how so many people on here praise skyfail? seriously how?
In Licence To Kill he dodges machine gun fire, hijacks an oil tank truck and dodges an RPG by tilting the truck onto two wheels.
In The Living Daylights he escapes armed police by sliding away on a cello case.
In Casino Royale despite only having a wall covering half his body, some glass and a human shield (who only gets hit once if I remember), he makes it through a corridor being pelted with machine gun fire.
In Skyfall he gets shot twice, falls off a train into a river and survives, he also manages to take down an entire army of goons with barely any weapons (and only 2 old people as allies).
Could a normal guy do all that?
"He isn't a superman. He's a man with human
qualities ie reflection, ennui, arrogance,
snobbery, compulsive obcessiveness,
jadedness, cynicism and loyalty.
Some actors and films turned him into a
cartoon. I wonder which ones?"
Basically every one of them except Dr.No, FRWL, CR and LTK. And even LTK had some corny moment ln it, Bond doing a wheelie in a semi-truck? come on are you kidding me? what idiot thought of that scene. but all in all I will throw LTK into the more realistic list.
MOST REALISTIC AND SERIOUS BONDS IN ORDER
1 FRWL
2 DR NO
3 CR
4 LTK
as for the rest, they all have cartoon bond moments, especially Moore's outings. dear god:/
and even the ones I listed in the realistic list have they're cartoony moments, except maybe FRWL. I am going to say FRWL is the most realistic bond out of all
@actonsteve, everything I listed was from Bond films. It was what the character was all about. He did all those things. Didn't he?
Or have I been watching cartoons all these years?
I like the fact the series changes. It has to adapt and adopt, it's the only way things can progress. However Bond has always been something of a superman, a smart Alec, a show off. It isn't a cartoon it's the way Bond has always been, and the way he is now. In SF he handled a bike like a pro, jumped onto a moving tube train, survived a fall from a bridge etc, the same things he has always been doing to differing degrees.
I~ am talking about the books dear. Thats the DNA of the character. Some Bond actors played the character as themselves and twisted the character to that mould.
KI expect so..
By your answer, if Bond changes and progresses then he is perfectly entitled to take a more human path and more serious take. The superman Bond always ends up as a cartoon eventually.
I like Craig and find his first two films very good, i like his bond in CR and QoS, they got what Craig was good at brutal and physical a bond who was imposing and not to be messed with.
I don't hate Craig's efforts or the current story curve, but I don't love it, I've seen SF twice and I liked it better the second time and the ending gave me hope again in the same way that I loved CR from the off and had great hopes, I still think that there is a great deal of potential for his style and portrayal, but IMO it'll take a really good imaginative script to take the series forward, a single stand alone story with no references to what's past, so I say, give John Logan a chance, Barbara & Michael G stay away, let this guy show his talent, let him write an original script and let's see what happens......?
I thought were talking about the films. Fair enough the books are more realistic. But even they have OTT moments in them. I think the books are the DNA of the character but I like how the series changes. My favourite Bond is Dalton, who was really close to the books, but I like all of them and I think if they were all close to the books it'd get boring.
In the films, he's always a bit of a superman.
@DRESSED_TO_KILL I don't get why you're a fan of the Bond films at all. Like I said, he's always a bit of a superman. You don't like the comedy, the gadgets, etc. You don't like lots of the stuff that's part of the cinematic Bond so why not just stick to the books (which can also be pretty unrealistic).
How very true they just can't help it make a great Bond then stick two fingers up to the fans
. It's good to see others who feel the same way around here for once, rather than the usual mainstream slaves who eat everything they're fed by the politically correct mainstream culture.
That's a stupid way to look at people who don't share your opinion with things.
OH I HATE SKYFALL THAT MAKES ME AWESOME, EVERYONE WHO LIKES SKYFALL ARE DUMB DOWN MASSES WHO EAT UP THIS SLOP HAR DE HAR HAR!
Some people like Skyfall get over it pal.
Anyone on this forum who does not like it is called a troll or worse they should get over it
Skyfall had a very sombre tone in the first hour and is an excellent psychological thriller.
I think it is a great James Bond story and very believable, The film was gritty and the audience were transfixed. The audience was quiet apart from a few scenes like the couple at the underground station when Bond jumps on the tube train.
This is a film that stands on it's own and I cannot with any logic compare it to a previous pre-reboot Bond film.
This is a film showing James Bond and the reality of his job as well as consequences.
I went to see it with four people and they all said they think the film was a change in direction and in a positive way too. Gritty and not treating the audience like an idiot is how they described it.
And the ending was very sad with M and I felt true emotion from Bond like in LTK.
I thought Daniel did a great job as Bond and did not make anything too obvious or predictable which some previous Bond films are guilty of.
This is a Bond film which will appeal even to people who do not like Bond based on the past films.
How is it possible that it is highjacked by the same people that find SF bloody brilliant and love Saint Craig. If you are not dissapointed you bugger of to your threads and leave us dissapointees all to ourselves while you "dears" go to your thread for happy campers go and feel bloody superiour.
Well I liked it but I was disappointed in some parts and I like talking to people or reading posts that have different opinions to me.
I do not mind that at all but as so often we get the crowd in here that start bashing all previous Bonds in oreder to tell you why SF is better.
There are some people just dissatisfied with the Craig movies due to their content and they should be able to speak up about it without a Brosnan, Moore or Lazenby bashing which they excel in but leave no space for others to tell why they love it.
I do agree with you, sometimes it feels like you can't say anything negative about some Bonds but others (mainly Brosnan) get bashed on here almost every day.
Though I enjoyed the film, if you read between the lines of what I wrote, it is a departure which is why I can see why some traditionalist Bond fans will not like.
This movie is radically different from the Goldfinger or TSWLM.
Me, though I love old Bond, believe you cannot keep flogging a dead horse.
I don't care if @DRESSED_TO_KILL hates Skyfall, but I don't like being called "the usual mainstream slaves who eat everything they're fed" Because I do like Skyfall.
Out of curiosity, how would you rate SF... out of 10, @acoppola?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1074638/board/thread/206887021?p=1
Teaser..
1. Range Rovers on dirt roads are quicker than trains.
2. M is short for emma
3. A physical with MI6 doesn't see shrapnel as needing immediate medical attention.
4. Rats can be conditioned to eat each other.
5. Bond will *beep* a sex slave.
6. Bond feels he is more accurate holding a gun with one hand and not two.
7. M knows how to make pipe bombs.
8. Bond has gone to bat for the other team.
15. M was the real Bond Girl of this movie, despite her age.
20. Silva must steal an island, steal a hard-drive containing a NATO list, hack into MI6 and create an explosion, lure James Bond back into action and leave a trail back to Silva causing him to be caught and held hostage at the MI6 headquarters, plan a complex and unreliable escape through the London underground...
... All so Silva can waltz into a courtroom guns blazing in a completely unorganized assault on M where a lot of armed guards are present.
23. Standard operating procedure to search and clear a house for a particular person you want alive and unharmed. First, send in a dozen men trained to kill. Second, use a helicopter's mounted machine gun on the house until everything is cut to Swiss cheese. Third, throw firebombs in until the place is a raging inferno. Fourth, instruct whoever is left standing that they shouldn't harm a single hair on that one person's head who for all intents and purposes shouldn't be alive inside
31. While in the long and complex process of being a spy turned international terrorist mercenary who is planning the revenge against everyone one has ever known, one can make time to purchase centuries old dueling pistols and fine scotch.
32. James Bond just can't stop finding himself.
33. A Bond movie is now a weird mixture of a reference catalogue, a Nolan Batman film, and a British crime drama.
34. A proper time to reintroduce Q is a movie without gadgets. (No, the 48 years old Aston Martin does not count and comes from old Q anyway.)
35. 007 can break an enemy's neck even when he's in mid-air.
37. Q gives Bond a radio transmitter and a gun and then says "Try to bring back the equipment in one piece". Aha
36. When your plan to protect your superior consists of nothing but an isolated house without weapons and backup, then your superior will die.
38. Moneypenny is black.
39. And an action figure.
44. The best agent in the world loses his skills within a few weeks.
49. Unarmed Silva can kill two guards that stand several feet away from him. The Force? Or could he be Professor Xavier?
51. Bond stays at home.
55. The Walther PPK can open an iron door.
56. Silva owns London (men, uniforms, cars, explosives).
57. Sévérine's bodyguards don't carry guns and therefore have to borrow one from Bond.
58. When you take a knife in the back, you should get angry and walk in slo-mo towards your attacker instead of just grabbing the gun you had 2 seconds ago and with your dying breath, shoot the woman you swore vengeance on (which is what you were going to do anyways before you got hit with the knife).
59. If you want to attract a hot woman, have a long conversation about fear and death.
62. If you're the director, kill the hottest woman halfway through so that your young male-dominated audience will only have a cranky old lady to stare at for the rest of the film.
65. A house explosion that causes enough shrapnel to take out an armored helicopter will not tear apart an unprotected villain who is standing nearby.
100 Things We Learned From Skyfall
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1074638/board/thread/206887021?p=1
Enjoy!
I got a good laugh out of some of those.