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Craig toasting the bad guys (SPOILERS)

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  • DRESSED_TO_KILLDRESSED_TO_KILL Suspended
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    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Zekidk wrote:
    @Germanlady
    You are missing my point. I don't mind Bond being saved by someone else or a gadget. I just thought he was mostly incompetent in SF.

    Really??? If Bond was incompetent in SF then for most of the 23 movies Bond is pretty much brain dead and don't get me started on Bond's super ineptitude in GF.
    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash

    You're clearly new to Bond movies.
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash
    What an absurd opinion to have. :))
  • battleshipgreygtbattleshipgreygt
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    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash
    Just out of curiosity, how do you manage to be a Bond fan and find something like that to be such a problem? Things like that are so characteristic of Bond.
  • 00130013
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    Germanlady wrote:
    Also this scene shortly afterwards, when he was pointing out to the guys, before ramming the attaché case into their throats.

    This one, the toasting, the "let me in" are one of my favorite moments in SF. The capability of mixing this comic side with the dramatic and intense scenes makes me believe this is one of the greastest portrayals of Bond, along with Connery's FRWL and TB. I won't be surprise if I put it on the top in a few years.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    doubleoego wrote:
    Zekidk wrote:
    @Germanlady
    You are missing my point. I don't mind Bond being saved by someone else or a gadget. I just thought he was mostly incompetent in SF.

    Really??? If Bond was incompetent in SF then for most of the 23 movies Bond is pretty much brain dead and don't get me started on Bond's super ineptitude in GF.

    The only reason Bond won in GF is because Pussy Galore wanted to have sex with Sean Connery. He got insanely lucky there, no question.

    I reckon Bond was at his most competent in LTK. Even when he messed up (failing to kill Sanchez), he quickly came up with a new plan (using his newfound trust to destroy Sanchez's organisation).
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I reckon Bond was at his most competent in LTK. Even when he messed up (failing to kill Sanchez), he quickly came up with a new plan (using his newfound trust to destroy Sanchez's organisation).
    Well, he was also pretty competent in Quantum of Solace, if you really think about it.

  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,261
    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Also this scene shortly afterwards, when he was pointing out to the guys, before ramming the attaché case into their throats.

    5 million euros in a suitcase would be very hard to just swing around as a weapon. I found this scene very unrealistic and plain kiddy. Craig made way too many jokes and quips in skyfall, they all felt forced and out of place for his style of Bond. Casino Royale was his best performance, and clearly is the best movie he has done as Bond.

    Sorry, could not resist ...
    :\"> :-S

  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    JimThompson45 wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I reckon Bond was at his most competent in LTK. Even when he messed up (failing to kill Sanchez), he quickly came up with a new plan (using his newfound trust to destroy Sanchez's organisation).
    Well, he was also pretty competent in Quantum of Solace, if you really think about it.

    I don't think he was. He literally stumbled across the villians evil plan because his plane was shot down.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @thelivingroyale, I wouldn't say that makes him incompetent, though. I haven't seen QoS in a few months, so bear with me, but didn't he go up in the plane with Camille to scout the desert and see what he could find? I would think him crashing and finding out Greene's plan makes him lucky, not so much incompetent.
  • JamesStockJamesStock
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    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash
    Lol, 'go blow up your pants!' Seriously, are you on these forums simply for the sake of arguing? It seems like nearly everything you criticize Skyfall for is itself a criticism of the James Bond franchise.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    JamesStock wrote:
    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash
    Lol, 'go blow up your pants!' Seriously, are you on these forums simply for the sake of arguing? It seems like nearly everything you criticize Skyfall for is itself a criticism of the James Bond franchise.

    Pretty much. Whether it relates to SF or not, he enters any thread he can to trash the film. And SF isn't another DAD: this is a film that is highly praised by many fans and critics alike, yet this one viewer who considers himself a big enough Bond fan to join a forum dedicated to the world of James Bond cannot just praise the good in the film?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I mean, even I can say some nice things about DAD.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    I mean, even I can say some nice things about DAD.

    And that's saying something. ;)

    In all honesty, as much as we all loathe DAD, I still enjoy it for the good parts.
  • PositiveTouchPositiveTouch
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    I also really loved the "I'll do my best" line with Bond and Kincade. To me, it was just a little smidgeon of Bond, the boy, coming out for that one minute. Really adds to the feeling that Kincade may have been more than just the gamekeeper to Bond. A mentor, a secondary father, like Hannes Oberhauser was in the books.

    You don't see ANYTHING from their past, but boy do Craig and Finney sell it!

    Craig really is being him and not playing him. There is a difference. And if he doesn't topple Connery off of the top of the list from best to worst, then he's sure on the same level. But Craig's EVERY. SINGLE. NUANCE. I saw in Skyfall looks just like it's coming off of the pages of some lost Fleming work. The boredom in his "enjoying death" phase and the physical exams scenes were what got me, and this is the first time in a long time, I'm talking since Dalton in LTK, where we see a VERY human, fallible character like what Fleming gave us. When he whacks the floor in anger when Patrice plunges to his death without giving up information. The conversation with Severine. I don't know how they did it, making this film so Fleming-esque. But it's been the best effort yet and I do hope it keeps going like this with Craig. I dare say, if they keep Craig past Bond 25, I would like to see them do the older Bond storyline like in the Gardner books, re-activated 00-section, something like that. Lots of potential. What I am basically saying is, it's going to be hard for the next fella to hold a candle to Daniel Craig, so why not keep him as long as possible?
  • bondboy007bondboy007
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    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash

    Really? You can go back to GF and say would a licensed hitman for the British government really wink at a Chinese guard before trying to escape from his cell? Also what "line" are you referring to?

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondboy007 wrote:
    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash

    Really? You can go back to GF and say would a licensed hitman for the British government really wink at a Chinese guard before trying to escape from his cell? Also what "line" are you referring to?
    That scene in GF creeps the hell out of me every time I see it. I can't be the only one to feel this way...

    :-S
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I'm in the same boat as you, my friend. I know what happens, too, but it always freaks me out.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I'm in the same boat as you, my friend. I know what happens, too, but it always freaks me out.

    It was so frightening I spoofed it, if you remember, a while back:
    http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6509/full2gfpun.png
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 41,011
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, that I do. I also have the one you did with Bond and Christmas from TWINE. I nearly die from laughter every time I see it.

    I know I've said it before, but I don't recall if you or someone else did the spoof of Bond and Mr. Kil from DAD, but oh man, is it rich.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, that I do. I also have the one you did with Bond and Christmas from TWINE. I nearly die from laughter every time I see it.

    I know I've said it before, but I don't recall if you or someone else did the spoof of Bond and Mr. Kil from DAD, but oh man, is it rich.

    And Christmas is coming up, so we'll have to revisit that, haha.

    And do you have a link to the Mr. Kil one? I need to laugh right now.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, please do another rendition of that. ASAP.

    That I do, coming your way.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, please do another rendition of that. ASAP.

    That I do, coming your way.

    You mean with different text? I dunno if I could, I used every Christmas reference possible...
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Zekidk wrote:
    @Germanlady
    You are missing my point. I don't mind Bond being saved by someone else or a gadget. I just thought he was mostly incompetent in SF.

    hardly incompetent... we aren't talking about Goldfinger here - where everything he does backfires, and then someone else stops the bomb - not him....

    how many times in the entire series has Bond gotten by on luck, or having the right gadget at the right time?.. it's part of the Bond formula - put him against the odds in an entirely implausible situation, and he'll still find a way out.. thats what makes Bond, BOND..... if it wasn't for the knife in the briefcase in FRWL, Grant probably would've succeeded in strangling 007 - not to mention the exploding talcum powder, which set up the fight to begin with - before, 007 was at his mercy..

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash

    i dare ask.... how many Bond films have you seen...... and if you've seen them all - then let me also ask, how many did you find 100% plausible and realistic?.. because what you call "a piece of thrash(?)" - HAS BEEN DONE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE F-ING SERIES!
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    Zekidk wrote:
    @Germanlady
    You are missing my point. I don't mind Bond being saved by someone else or a gadget. I just thought he was mostly incompetent in SF.

    One of the reasons I loved the film so much. It's nice to see Bond make a few mistakes now and again. It's also one of the reasons I love the books so much too.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash
    I think you really know your onions when it comes to Bond. Bravo. Had Fleming still been alive today, I think he would have wanted to adopt you as a son.

    You really know your stuff, I'm very impressed!!!

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited November 2012 Posts: 28,694
    HASEROT wrote:
    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    I thought the scene was absurd. Like a licensed hitman for the British government is going to say "allow me to raise a glass before we try to kill each other ". god what stupid line and portrayal of Bond. skyfail was a piece of thrash

    i dare ask.... how many Bond films have you seen...... and if you've seen them all - then let me also ask, how many did you find 100% plausible and realistic?.. because what you call "a piece of thrash(?)" - HAS BEEN DONE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE F-ING SERIES!

    He won't be able to answer.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    DRESSED_TO_KILL wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Also this scene shortly afterwards, when he was pointing out to the guys, before ramming the attaché case into their throats.

    5 million euros in a suitcase would be very hard to just swing around as a weapon. I found this scene very unrealistic and plain kiddy.
    I agree totally. I could never imagine a man as tough as Bond being able to swing such a case around....it would be near on impossible. As for it being heavy enough to knock them out, I also found that totally unrealistic.

    I cannot believe how far the Bond films have sunk with their depths of unrealism since the days of Brosnan and DAD.

    Bring back the invisible car and double-taking pigeons, that's what I say. At least we know invisible cars and double-taking pigeons do exist in real life, don't we.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I smell sarcasm.
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