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Most dramatic shift in tone between Bond films?

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    On topic, the most dramatic shift in tone between Bond films to me would be OHMSS> DAF. Period.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    OHMSS to DAF and TWINE to DAD.
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
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    bigladiesman wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    I'd have to go with OHMSS to DAF.

    Make it another one.
    chrisisall wrote:
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    On topic, the most dramatic shift in tone between Bond films to me would be OHMSS> DAF. Period.

    [Thanks for the tip]
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DAD-CR beats them all.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
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    From Sir Connery years to Sir Moore years. Enough said.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
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    The shift between OHMSS and DAF but it mostly seemed political because of clashing egos in production and the lack of the same directors. The dramqtic shift between DAD and CR was late but it was needed. I remember hearing the newsman reviewing DAD when it came out and he commented "yeah, Bond saves the lady and defeats the bad guy"...I still couldn't believe I wasted my ticket money on that crapfest. It's haunted Ourvis and Wade. The latter gentleman apologized to me just as I brought up the title of the film mentioning the dramatic shift with QoS and CR.

    AVTAK-LTK here's a same director giving us two different Bonds. One who begins with the shooting of Kara as mentioned above.

    LTK-GE the latter came out at a time when being PC was a dominant force in movies. The same dramatic shift came that year with Batman Forever destroying the seriousness of its series. Sure GE is Brosnan's most serious but it lacls the realism, bloodiness, and just denies its predecessor. Sadly I got the same feeling with SF after QoS.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
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    Forgot to add: The dramatic shift between DAF and LALD came about in many ways: a villain with a different plan. LALD is much more down to earth than its predecessor. Gone are many of the Bondisms, cigarettes and such that made it into the SC films. The pre-title sequense doesn't even feature Bond. The music is different and the main titles theme is fresh and innovative. By the time the LALD song slows down and sings "you used to say live and let live" it's easy to let go of the previous film's shortcomings and move on with this new story although most of us might remain baffled at how OHMSS was disrespected by DAF in many ways.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    I would go with OHMSS to DAF.

    It went from a desolated Bond at the end of one film to having a 'jolly good time' in the next - oh and a totally miscast Blofeld as well.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    It's got to be OHMSS to DAF. DAD to CR certainly deserves a mention though.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    The reason i dont include DAD to CR is because it was an official 'reboot',whereas OHMSS to DAF is meant to be the next cannonical film !!!
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Getafix wrote:
    LTK-GE.

    From the sublime to the ridiculous.

    No that's OHMSS-DAF.

    An exciting, heartfelt, emotional film to a dull not particularly funny farce.

    Biggest, most dramatic shift in tone though has to be DAD-CR. Robot suits to cold-blooded, film-noir style killings
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I have to agree with DAD to CR, although they were major ones before too: YOLT, OHMSS, DAF, then later on AVTAK to TLD, but also MR to FYEO.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    barryt007 wrote:
    The reason i dont include DAD to CR is because it was an official 'reboot',whereas OHMSS to DAF is meant to be the next cannonical film !!!
    It is the most schizophrenic change of tone, I will give you that.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    OHMSS - DAF and DAD - CR, also LTK - GE.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Why LTK to GE ? I wouldnt say that this is more of a change than OHMSS-DAF ,DAD-CR or MR-FYEO .
    Just curious.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited February 2014 Posts: 11,189
    barryt007 wrote:
    Why LTK to GE ? I wouldnt say that this is more of a change than OHMSS-DAF ,DAD-CR or MR-FYEO .
    Just curious.

    I agree @barry. I suppose a significant number of people felt GE was more like the Rog era after the tougher LTK.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    barryt007 wrote:
    Why LTK to GE ? I wouldnt say that this is more of a change than OHMSS-DAF ,DAD-CR or MR-FYEO .
    Just curious.

    I agree @barry. I suppose a significant number of people felt GE was more like the Rog era after the tougher LTK (the hardcore fans wanted more graphic violence and grimness ;) )

    Mmmm maybe yep.
    But GE had its fair share of violence and dark moments in there,the fight between Bond and Alec was enough on its own !.

    I still dont get the LTK-GE change but there we go .

    :-/
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    What was your reaction coming out of ge in 1995 Barry?
  • barryt007barryt007
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    I remember firstly frowning at the jump of a number of years later at the start of it but overall i loved it,even though the fact that Alec was Janus was the worst kept secret due to lots of trailers (some good Brosnan 4th wall in there as well) and the Tina Turner video.

    It got a good reaction from the cinema audience and Brosnan was mentioned all over the place as the best Bond ever .
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I do remember him being described as "the best since Sean".
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    barryt007 wrote:
    GE had its fair share of violence and dark moments in there,the fight between Bond and Alec was enough on its own !.

    I still dont get the LTK-GE change but there we go .
    I think that LTK to GE is in the discussion if we made a top ten list but I agree with you that it's nowhere near the top spot.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I do remember him being described as "the best since Sean".

    Indeed,and people were totally looking forward to his second outing.I also remember feeling relieved because i remember all during the hiatus period between Dalton and Brosnan there were speculation and odds on every actor known to man to be the next Bond,including Denzel Washington and Arnold Schwarzenegger,so it was worrying times for me.

    I wasnt even sure if Bond would come back,and if he did come back,the list of actors was NOT encouraging.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Also, what was the general reaction in the uk when Dalton left/Brosnan joined? I know Broz was popular in the US and Dalton wasnt, but what about in Britain?
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Most of the people in the UK only knew Dalton from 'Flash Gordon',myself included tbh so when the rumour mill surfaced about Brosnan there was a positive response to him getting the role due to Remington Steele,the 4th Protocol,Taffin,etc so really he was a home banker choice for the US and UK market.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Dalton did a lot of theatre so unless you were interested in that then you didnt really know much about him,which didnt help his cause to succeed in the role after Sir Roger.

    Big,popular shoes to fill.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    To be honest I wouldn't have said Taffin was a good film to judge Brosnan in. if I was going purely by that performance I would have probably been very fearful of Bonds future. Luckily IMO none of Brosnan's Bond performances were as bad as that.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Taffin was very popular when it came out in the 80's believe me.

    But yes,he did step up to the plate when he became Bond but people still thought he was the right choice,and they were proved right.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I always thought Taffin was one of those "straight to video" films he did which developed something of a cult following thanks to the clip on YouTube.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    It was straight to video but in those days video hiring was big business with people watching 2 or 3 over a weekend so they soon went through them.
    You Tube and the internet were not around dont forget.
  • identigraphidentigraph
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    barryt007 wrote:
    Dalton did a lot of theatre so unless you were interested in that then you didnt really know much about him,which didnt help his cause to succeed in the role after Sir Roger.

    Big,popular shoes to fill.

    I know when my dad told me that Rog was not actually the current Bond after watching all his films in quick successtion and that Dalton was the current actor he didn't really refer to him in glowing terms and was a bit underwhelmed by him, not sure if this was the general consensus at the time?
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