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There are far more problems with his performance, which have been highlighted in this thread, and which contributed to him appearing in the worst 4 films of the entire franchise (ok, AVTAK aside, which also belongs at the bottom of the scrap heap along with Brozza's 4 films).
I thought it was quite a refreshing moment to see in SF, away from the heavy drama and impending doom which hangs over quite a lot of the movie.
However I thought the combination of action, drama and humour was well done in SF.
One of the issues that I have with Brosnan, which is surprising considering his looks and charm, is that for the most part he didn't have very good chemistry with his leading ladies. Again, it gets down to the *idea* versus the reality - our minds fill in the blanks in thinking that two good-looking, charming people should get together. But the actual interaction and acting between them is often very...dry. When Natalia kisses Bond after the train explodes in GE it just comes out of nowhere, something that happens because the script says that it's supposed to. Better actors would have built a subtle attraction to each other in the previous scenes - a quick admiring look, a pause before a line showing that they're a little distracted by the other's attractiveness. But we get none of that. Instead we're left with the *idea* of chemistry - the characters *should* be attracted to each other so we just assume that they are.
I can see why people like Brosnan, but like with every actor who plays Bond I think that sometimes we read in more than is there because we like the actor so much.
Oh dear. Now we are saying the one thing Brozza is supposed to have, doesn't even have that either.
Poor old Brozza!! :-j
"They're going to kill me aren't they?"
"trust me"
"trust you? I don't even know your name.
It's a sensitive moment between the two and the slight nervous smile Isabella gives to Brosnan suggests she likes him.
And that isn't what the people who bash Brosnan day in day out on here do?
Every time somebody points what they think is a good moment from one of his films they clutch at straws and find something wrong with it.
The bungee jump was a good stun- No it was stupid. You could do that yourself. Bungee jumping is never used in the military!
The tank cha- Bond should be the one escaping, not wrecklessly destroying stuff!
The graveyar- It's "its says here dialouge"
Killing Elek- He doesn't sell it well and kisses her after, Craig would've been better.
The Korea stuff in DA- Why are they surfing? He looked fat in the bridge scene and I don't like his specs!
That's more like it. Now you are getting in the swing of things. We'll make you a decent Brozza Basher yet...... \:D/
Let's see:
To me this 'swagger' comes off as cockiness. Bond doesn't have swagger, he has confidence. Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dlaton, and Craig all have confidence. Not swagger.
"Affable," as in friendly. You enjoy your British assassin to be a great guy to sit around a share a pint? It's like your saying Brosnan was the 'nice-guy' of the Bonds. Craig puts it perfectly in CR when asked "Why can't more nice guys be like you," and he responds, "Cause then they'd be bad." Taken literally, he's right. Bond isn't a nice guy. He's a killer when he needs to be, a lover when he wants to be.
They had sex. If we were to assume Bond cared for every woman he had sex with, it'd be a pretty sad story for him.
Look, I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes, but what I take from Brosnan's performance(s) are sleaziness and cockiness. There's no point to 'miss' because that is my subjective opinion. Brosnan is the jock of the football team of Bond's, and we've all grown up to see him for what he is: a cocky teenager with daddy's Porche. IMO, @Getafix is right: a devolution.
-Brosnan's really good
-Elektra is brilliant, great farewell moment too
-Sad & at the same time beautiful goodbye of Q
-One of the coolest BMW's ever built ;)
-Judi Dench's best performance as M during PB's tenure
But... the flaws make that this will NEVER be in my top ten:
-Goldie & Carlyle are wasted
-The torture scene is laughable
-Denise Richards
-Overly long boat chase, silly tie adjusting
-John Cleese
IMO- The boat chase wasn't overly long. Goldie wasn't wasted, he didn't have much screen time but he wasn't a brilliant character anyway, and Denise Richards was no worse than some of the Moore era girls. She did her job, she showed up, looked hot, and shagged Bond.
Cleese was a bit Mr Bean in this one but there was nothing terrible about him. He was better in DAD though. Honestly most of those flaws you pointed out don't seem major to me.
GE he looked puny, but was salvaged by decent direction overall, and a few decent scenes.
TND was his best performance, and best film. He put on weight, bulked up a bit, and Arnold's score helped give the film a more Bond feel to it. It was a typical formula-by-numbers Bond, ticked all the formula boxes, was fairly run-of-the-mill, but served a purpose.
TWINE was just an abysmal mess, and his performance was all over the shop. He really lost the plot with this one, particularly with the now legendary`knew where to hurt me', scene. Brozza didn't have a clue about the Fleming character, and when a script attempts to flesh out such traits, Brozza was suddenly exposed and looked totally out of his depth. He had relied on a one-trick pony action character for Bond, all superficial with no substance, and in TWINE he was found out when the writers attempted a Fleming approach, that was so far removed from Fleming it was laughable. P&W were also found out in this film.
DAD was the worst film ever made, but Brozza was better in this than he was in TWINE.
You took the words right out of my mouth!
And you know, it also shows us that Brosnan wasn't as bad as we used to think!"
That would be very funny. I think Idris is the man!
Yes, you know my opinions better than myself. And see the future. :O
Do you actually believe it was the worst film ever made? What about Batman and Robin, Transformers, etc?
He never said it was you did he.
Lots of people will actually be like that. They'll just like the newer model and turn on the guy before. It happened with Dalton, and now (at least on this site) it's happening with Brosnan.
I think its funny how a fair chunk of those points can't be pinned souely on Brosnan.For the record I still love the bunjee jump. Only a pro with real concentration could pull a gun out after falling 220metres. I don't think you or I could do that no matter how much we like to believe it. Its a good stunt well filmed...and I love the tank chase because of the sheer spectacle and the fact that it actually took time and effort to put together - and that effort showed onscreen.
I also think Brosnan sells Electra's death well in TWINE. That's an occasion where he DOESN'T overract. I can't deny his shortcomings in the scene when he confronts Electra earlier in the film though - overracting to the extreme.
He looks fatter in the black jumper at the ice palace than he does on the bridge in DAD but there we go.
Batman & Robin could give DAD a serious run for its money, I give you that.....
I hated Brozza back in the 90's, and still do now. Your theory is based on me actually originally liking old Brozza, then changing my mind once Craig came on the scene.
It never happened. I hated Brozza from the beginning.
Same here. Hated Brozza from day one and thought DC was decent but not as good as the Daltinator from the first time I saw CR. ;) We're still on a long up-hill journey back to where we were in terms of quality in 89 IMO.
SF is easily better than LTK (and I say that as someone who used to rate LTK in my top 5).
At least SF doesn't contain a silly American bar fight and cheesey "look how tough he is" dialogue ("he's had enough...run a tab") ;)
Oh and its filmed better
The stunning Adele song/PTS video alone trounce it too.
I'd say we are in one of the best positions we've been in for a LONG time (and the "Daltonator" would probably admit that too)