The name's 25. Bond 25, or rather, it's NTTD.

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    if it isn't The Property of a Lady I will be very surprised
    What makes you think they'll be using that title especially when everyone's waiting a You Only Live Twice adaptation?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    if it isn't The Property of a Lady I will be very surprised

    Perhaps, but you have to look at the titles they have used recently,
    Casino Royale
    Quantum of solace
    Skyfall
    SPECTRE
    Property of a lady


    To me, it doesn't sound like it fits in, they should have called octopussy property of a lady, that title could have worked in those films
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I don't want a YOLT adaptation, either. However, my point is, YOLT may be the next thing to poorly adapt, if Eon is heading towards the path everyone is tending to believe here, and if that is the case, what would The Property of A Lady stand for? What's the "property" and who's the said "Lady"?

    In anyways, my firm belief is neither The Property of A Lady nor The Hildebrand Rarity will ever be used. Eon twice placed them in the narrative of separate films which to my understanding is their way of saying these won't be used in their series. The former was used in Octopussy as the title in a book articulating the Faberge Egg, while the name "Hildebrand" was provided for the safe house in the third act of Spectre, for which Tanner claims he hasn't heard about. What are they going to make about Hildebrand? That it's a safe house?
  • I don't want a YOLT adaptation, either. However, my point is, YOLT may be the next thing to poorly adapt, if Eon is heading towards the path everyone is tending to believe here, and if that is the case, what would The Property of A Lady stand for? What's the "property" and who's the said "Lady"?

    In anyways, my firm belief is neither The Property of A Lady nor The Hildebrand Rarity will ever be used. Eon twice placed them in the narrative of separate films which to my understanding is their way of saying these won't be used in their series. The former was used in Octopussy as the title in a book articulating the Faberge Egg, while the name "Hildebrand" was provided for the safe house in the third act of Spectre, for which Tanner claims he hasn't heard about. What are they going to make about Hildebrand? That it's a safe house?

    The James Bond films will go on for as long as cinema as we know it does, which means for decades, perhaps even hundreds of years more. They are absolutely going to use every last Fleming title, including many of his chapter titles, with the possible exception of an obviously ill-fitting one like 007 in New York. The Hildebrand Rarity and Property of a Lady are joining the film canon. The only question is when?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    We'll see.
  • shobairshobair London
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    The End of Bond

    no , this name mean james bond movies finished

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I don't want a YOLT adaptation, either. However, my point is, YOLT may be the next thing to poorly adapt, if Eon is heading towards the path everyone is tending to believe here, and if that is the case, what would The Property of A Lady stand for? What's the "property" and who's the said "Lady"?

    In anyways, my firm belief is neither The Property of A Lady nor The Hildebrand Rarity will ever be used. Eon twice placed them in the narrative of separate films which to my understanding is their way of saying these won't be used in their series. The former was used in Octopussy as the title in a book articulating the Faberge Egg, while the name "Hildebrand" was provided for the safe house in the third act of Spectre, for which Tanner claims he hasn't heard about. What are they going to make about Hildebrand? That it's a safe house?

    I don't think THR will be used, but not for this reason (they did use The World Is Not Enough after all). It's simply too dull to be a Bond title.

    I quite like the idea of using some of Fleming's original book titles, like The Belles Of Hell (the original title for OHMSS) or Mondays Are Hell (LALD) which is a bit quirky, but I do like it.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    NicNac wrote: »
    I don't want a YOLT adaptation, either. However, my point is, YOLT may be the next thing to poorly adapt, if Eon is heading towards the path everyone is tending to believe here, and if that is the case, what would The Property of A Lady stand for? What's the "property" and who's the said "Lady"?

    In anyways, my firm belief is neither The Property of A Lady nor The Hildebrand Rarity will ever be used. Eon twice placed them in the narrative of separate films which to my understanding is their way of saying these won't be used in their series. The former was used in Octopussy as the title in a book articulating the Faberge Egg, while the name "Hildebrand" was provided for the safe house in the third act of Spectre, for which Tanner claims he hasn't heard about. What are they going to make about Hildebrand? That it's a safe house?

    I don't think THR will be used, but not for this reason (they did use The World Is Not Enough after all). It's simply too dull to be a Bond title.

    I quite like the idea of using some of Fleming's original book titles, like The Belles Of Hell (the original title for OHMSS) or Mondays Are Hell (LALD) which is a bit quirky, but I do like it.
    Yes, but the case with 'The World Is Not Enough' is different and it wasn't as highlighted as the other two. Besides, it definitely is a very Flemingesque title that has a philosophical ring to it, and came to slightly fit the story. Then again, they also titled a Bond film 'Spectre', which I never thought was possible but they went down the lazy road.

    Love The Belles of Hell, though. It does sound like descriptive of a title and sinister enough. But, 'Mondays' I can imagine being used for a parody story like '007 Strikes Camp' and the likes unofficially published during the sixties. It would be showing Bond heading to work on Mondays and caught in heavy traffic, in order to vent out, he uses his license to break traffic laws by shooting rockets out of his car to clear out the way, much to Q's dismay. ;)
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Haha, yes you are right. Can't remember some of the other unused original titles for Fleming stories, apart from the awful The Undertaker's Wind for LALD (Mondays Are Hell was Moonraker, not LALD as I said before).
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 3,327
    I think a true adaptation of Trigger Mortis would work. It's a very Flemingesque title, and its based on the concept of a short story by Fleming.

    Also the novel itself doesn't feel that far removed from Fleming, so a proper adaptation of it would be the next best thing to adapting some of the unused Fleming material.
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 9,846
    I don't want a YOLT adaptation, either. However, my point is, YOLT may be the next thing to poorly adapt, if Eon is heading towards the path everyone is tending to believe here, and if that is the case, what would The Property of A Lady stand for? What's the "property" and who's the said "Lady"?

    In anyways, my firm belief is neither The Property of A Lady nor The Hildebrand Rarity will ever be used. Eon twice placed them in the narrative of separate films which to my understanding is their way of saying these won't be used in their series. The former was used in Octopussy as the title in a book articulating the Faberge Egg, while the name "Hildebrand" was provided for the safe house in the third act of Spectre, for which Tanner claims he hasn't heard about. What are they going to make about Hildebrand? That it's a safe house?
    the property is clearly Bond's Heart and the Lady is Swann the title make sense in the context of a direct follow up to Spectre. Plus it gets us away from the one word titles heck if we are stealing from You only live twice for bond 25 I would almost prefer Magic 44 as the title over Shatterhand even though the later is the better title I am just sick of one word titles.

    hence why when Spectre came out and we were delusionally hopefull of a bond film coming out in 2017 and Craig doing two more personally I would of preffered the following films to end off the Craig era

    The Property of a Lady (bond 25) reworking elements of OHMSS and You Only live twice
    Blofeld (bond 26) reworking elements of You Only Live Twice and The Man with the Golden Gun



    while Blofeld is not an incredible film title it would work as A) it's recognizable and B) it works in the context of Bond

    Yes the title The property of a Lady goes against the Current pattern (with now Odd numbered films being titled after the location of the Finale and Even numbered films talking about both the organization and Bond's emotional state) But patterns be damned it's a cool title and works.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    I don't want a YOLT adaptation, either. However, my point is, YOLT may be the next thing to poorly adapt, if Eon is heading towards the path everyone is tending to believe here, and if that is the case, what would The Property of A Lady stand for? What's the "property" and who's the said "Lady"?

    In anyways, my firm belief is neither The Property of A Lady nor The Hildebrand Rarity will ever be used. Eon twice placed them in the narrative of separate films which to my understanding is their way of saying these won't be used in their series. The former was used in Octopussy as the title in a book articulating the Faberge Egg, while the name "Hildebrand" was provided for the safe house in the third act of Spectre, for which Tanner claims he hasn't heard about. What are they going to make about Hildebrand? That it's a safe house?

    This.
    I don't want a YOLT adaptation, either. However, my point is, YOLT may be the next thing to poorly adapt, if Eon is heading towards the path everyone is tending to believe here, and if that is the case, what would The Property of A Lady stand for? What's the "property" and who's the said "Lady"?

    In anyways, my firm belief is neither The Property of A Lady nor The Hildebrand Rarity will ever be used. Eon twice placed them in the narrative of separate films which to my understanding is their way of saying these won't be used in their series. The former was used in Octopussy as the title in a book articulating the Faberge Egg, while the name "Hildebrand" was provided for the safe house in the third act of Spectre, for which Tanner claims he hasn't heard about. What are they going to make about Hildebrand? That it's a safe house?

    The James Bond films will go on for as long as cinema as we know it does, which means for decades, perhaps even hundreds of years more. They are absolutely going to use every last Fleming title, including many of his chapter titles, with the possible exception of an obviously ill-fitting one like 007 in New York. The Hildebrand Rarity and Property of a Lady are joining the film canon. The only question is when?

    This is true, at one point it will most likely happen. Heck, one day Bond will enter public domain, anyone could do it. It's just that I don't see a Bond movie being called "Property of a Lady" or "The Hildebrand Rarity" in the near future. I like "Risico" a lot though.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    the property is clearly Bond's Heart and the Lady is Swann the title make sense
    This, to me, sounds like the ideology of a weak fan fiction. And a very weak one at that. Have we forgotten about Quantum of Solace? As good a title as it is, the film's narrative doesn't even make sense in terms of its connectivity to such a descriptive and intellectual title. In fact, Risico would've suited it better.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    while Blofeld is not an incredible film title it would work as A) it's recognizable and B) it works in the context of Bond
    A) It's Lazy and uninspired
    B) It's going to be ending up being the butt of jokes on the internet due to a certain pronunciation of a ring "Blofeld" has into it, with MAD Magazine already taking the piss on the name long before it's been a considered title. And that's not good for marketing, is it?
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I prefer any Fleming title. Period.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I know it's arbitrary, but I'd enjoy a title that is two words or more for 'Bond 25' - also one that doesn't start with the letter "S."
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    I prefer any Fleming title. Period.
    If there are no great Fleming titles left, should we adopt rather unimaginative titles that sound absurd as film titles and scream as obvious as chapter names?
  • RC7RC7
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    I prefer any Fleming title. Period.
    If there are no great Fleming titles left, should we adopt rather unimaginative titles that sound absurd as film titles and scream as obvious as chapter names?

    No. For me it's about capturing the essence of Fleming, not plundering the specifics of his oeuvre for the sake of it. Personally I feel like Skyfall is a cracking bit of channeling by Wade. It wouldn't be out of place in a Fleming. Spectre on the other hand is completely uninspired.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    RC7 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    I prefer any Fleming title. Period.
    If there are no great Fleming titles left, should we adopt rather unimaginative titles that sound absurd as film titles and scream as obvious as chapter names?

    No. For me it's about capturing the essence of Fleming, not plundering the specifics of his oeuvre for the sake of it. Personally I feel like Skyfall is a cracking bit of channeling by Wade. It wouldn't be out of place in a Fleming. Spectre on the other hand is completely uninspired.
    +1
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    They could just start reusing the old tiles so I guess Live and Let die would be next
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    I prefer any Fleming title. Period.
    If there are no great Fleming titles left, should we adopt rather unimaginative titles that sound absurd as film titles and scream as obvious as chapter names?

    The title doesn't bother me as much as the content in the film. I would much rather have another LTK, where the title has nothing to do with Fleming, yet the film itself is grounded in the world Fleming wrote - and (more importantly) contains several scenes from the novels.

    Whereas giving us a film like QoS or TWINE, which uses a Fleming title or reference, yet there isn't one single scene adapted from the novels, I could do without.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    I prefer any Fleming title. Period.
    If there are no great Fleming titles left, should we adopt rather unimaginative titles that sound absurd as film titles and scream as obvious as chapter names?

    The title doesn't bother me as much as the content in the film. I would much rather have another LTK, where the title has nothing to do with Fleming, yet the film itself is grounded in the world Fleming wrote - and (more importantly) contains several scenes from the novels.

    Whereas giving us a film like QoS or TWINE, which uses a Fleming title or reference, yet there isn't one single scene adapted from the novels, I could do without.
    Definitely! Although, while I prefer not to use weak titles, something that channels what Fleming would've come up with (and preferably a two-three word title, at least) suits my expectations fine. QoS, TWINE, SP are all weak in this case and just don't do it for me as titles to connect well with their films. SP more so as a very lazy, uninspired, weak and rushed out of all the aforementioned three. QoS didn't make sense at all. And yet here like the one post above, some people are expecting The Property of A Lady as a title just because "it's cool" and is a Fleming title, and more to it when a YOLT-inspired story is demanded with it. Go figure.
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 3,327
    suavejmf wrote: »
    I prefer any Fleming title. Period.
    If there are no great Fleming titles left, should we adopt rather unimaginative titles that sound absurd as film titles and scream as obvious as chapter names?

    The title doesn't bother me as much as the content in the film. I would much rather have another LTK, where the title has nothing to do with Fleming, yet the film itself is grounded in the world Fleming wrote - and (more importantly) contains several scenes from the novels.

    Whereas giving us a film like QoS or TWINE, which uses a Fleming title or reference, yet there isn't one single scene adapted from the novels, I could do without.
    Definitely! Although, while I prefer not to use weak titles, something that channels what Fleming would've come up with (and preferably a two-three word title, at least) suits my expectations fine. QoS, TWINE, SP are all weak in this case and just don't do it for me as titles to connect well with their films. SP more so as a very lazy, uninspired, weak and rushed out of all the aforementioned three. QoS didn't make sense at all. And yet here like the one post above, some people are expecting The Property of A Lady as a title just because "it's cool" and is a Fleming title, and more to it when a YOLT-inspired story is demanded with it. Go figure.
    Shatterhand or Magic 44 would be the way to go for me, and base it on the damn novel YOLT too, including a gripping finale in the Garden of Death, castle rooftop escape and Bond losing his memory. Sling in TSWLM too for good measure. Let's have Bond rescuing the Bond girl Viv Michel in a motel while killing Horror and Slugsy. That would make a great first half to the movie. What a way to introduce the Bond girl.

    Have the balls EON. You want something different. Then there you go. You don't need a brainstorming session by committee, tossing ideas round left right and centre, waiting to see what P&W can conjure up this time. Just go back to the novels. It's all there, staring you in the face - if only you could be bothered to look.
  • gemlocations007gemlocations007 London, UK
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    I think it should be called 'you only die once'
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    I haven't read it but isn't it non fiction?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I don't want a YOLT adaptation, either. However, my point is, YOLT may be the next thing to poorly adapt, if Eon is heading towards the path everyone is tending to believe here, and if that is the case, what would The Property of A Lady stand for? What's the "property" and who's the said "Lady"?

    In anyways, my firm belief is neither The Property of A Lady nor The Hildebrand Rarity will ever be used. Eon twice placed them in the narrative of separate films which to my understanding is their way of saying these won't be used in their series. The former was used in Octopussy as the title in a book articulating the Faberge Egg, while the name "Hildebrand" was provided for the safe house in the third act of Spectre, for which Tanner claims he hasn't heard about. What are they going to make about Hildebrand? That it's a safe house?

    There are counter-examples, like TWINE. Eventually they will get to R and TPOAL at least.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    What are they going to make about Hildebrand? That it's a safe house?

    Trusted agent killed in the line of duty. Honored by the naming of the safe house.

    His villainous offspring are up to some mischief.

    Other possibilities.
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  • Birdleson wrote: »
    If they use THE HILDEBRAND RARITY I hope it s not just for the title. It is one of the very few James Bond Fleming stories that has not been tapped (aside form the character Milton Krest, the Wavekrest and The Corrector in LTK, but not the actual plot). Like with TLD, that short story could be built up and made into quite a film. The safe house can be worked in, somehow, but I don't feel that it's necessary.

    As with Risico or For Your Eyes Only, I could definitely see a Krest-less and Corrector-less adaptation of THR forming a segment of a larger film. Maybe the first leg of the film following the titles. Mrs. Krest perhaps could be an intriguing secondary girl whose ethics Bond questions. I don't see her surviving the film though. She would surely be eliminated, rightly or wrongly, by whomever "Krest" affiliates with / works for, perhaps motivating Bond to go after them. Sounds like it's another renegade Bond tale, haha. Oh well, past renegade Bond flicks have turned out pretty good. Just so long as he's not related to anybody.
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    Or, as in the short story, this could all take place during Bond's down time. I wouldn't mind f the formula is completely left behind and a quieter Bond film made completely within the confines in the story. No big explosions.

    Oh that's how I was thinking of it too. Bond on vacation and he unwittingly gets caught in a plot that concerns the fate of England/the world. I too think it would be very refreshing to get a Bond film that thinks outside the formula. Those tend to be my favorites in fact (OHMSS, LTK, TWINE, QOS).
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    I would love to see "The Hildebrand Rarity" used the same way "The Living Daylights" was used, right after the PTS, as a springboard for a bigger story. Would be great to see Bond on vacation, too.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    THR's plot feels like the end of a story, not the beginning. The opposite of TLD, really.
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