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  • edited October 2014 Posts: 908
    Matt_Helm wrote: »
    Pajan005 wrote: »
    Yeah, it's all about what kind of Bond you like. I for one take a great story over the action. My personal opinion is that SF is a good film...

    Talking about contradiction!

    People accuse me for posting way too much lengthy nonsense at times. But these kind of oneliners kind of need some elaboration no?

    No they don't! The term "a good story" and SF obviously is an oxymoron!
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    I never said Bautista was a bad casting idea. In fact I think he's a good choice.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    It's late and I've had a bit to drink so maybe its just me, but I don't really understand what you're saying here?

    I'm not on about the lead villian. I'm talking about the henchman. Somebody suggested The Rock for the henchman and everyone shot down the idea acting like he wasn't worthy of being in a Bond film because we've had Javier Bardem. Now the rumoured henchman is Baitista (essentially a cheaper version of The Rock) so those people (the ones saying EON wouldn't cast someone like The Rock) have been proven wrong.

    They have not been proven wrong as The Rock has not been cast. Yes, Bautista may be the henchman, but they did cast in the past people for their menacing appearance more than their acting skills, especially for the henchmen. And it worked, if the role was limited to fighting and looking mean. Heck, even in The Godfather the actor playing Luca Brasi was a former professional wrestler! And it worked beautifully.

    Maybe I am wrong, but when people objected to The Rock, it has more to do with his status more than his wrestling background. The Rock, unlike Bautista, is famous (heck, I'd venture to say that he is more famous than Bardem was when he was cast in SF), and famous for lead roles in action movies that, well, may not have the same standing as Bond films.

    Some said he was too famous. Others said he was too bad an actor and acted like the Bond series was above him. Here's some quotes from the time
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    In all fairness, @JWESTBROOK, Craig and The Rock are nothing alike. I like The Rock in testosterone filled action movies. I think he brought good things to Fast And Furious and G.I. Joe. But here's the deal. The Rock is like good orange juice: works miracles at a pick-nick. But Bond is a class A restaurant. Nothing goes down without the best wines. The Rock is not a good wine. Give him another ten or fifteen years of fermentation and the orange juice might turn into fine wine though.

    Dwayne Johnson is a muscled guy who can throw a punch, run like a leopard and deliver a good Arnold line. And that's great! Again, I like the man. But I simply can't see him function in a Bond film just yet. He would feel out of place. There's a reason the likes of Sly, Vin Diesel, Bruce Willis, Jet-Li, Jackie Change, Bruce Lee, John Travolta, ... never get / got a part in a Bond film. You don't eat doughnuts, no matter how good, with foie gras.

    It's hard to put into words when casting choices are poor but as with porn, I think we can all agree we'll recognise it when we see it. ;-)

    The publicity argument doesn't work for me. There's bad publicity and there's bad publicity. Heath Ledger's suicide was bad publicity but The Dark Knight didn't suffer from it. Rather the opposite I'd say. But then Nolan hadn't cast Justin Bieber in his film either. THAT would have been damagingly bad publicity. ;-)
    Ludovico wrote: »
    No The Rock isn't as good an actor as Daniel Craig. But you hardly need an Oscar worthy actor to play a henchman in a Bond film do you?

    Robert Shaw? He didn't win an Oscar, but he was an amazing actor, maybe the greatest to ever be in a Bond movie. And a true artist. And he played maybe the best henchman in the series, mute for most of the movie, yet had presence.

    I am not saying all henchmen should be played by such actors, but there is nothing wrong about sometimes getting someone with actual acting skills and can display menace without grunting.

    This.

    So people didn't just write him off because he was famous. They wrote him off because he was a one note actor famous for action films. Bautista is the same. Wrestler turned actor, did some B movie action flicks and is now starting to really break out into Hollywood.

    Also, you say The Rock is famous for action movies that may not have the same standing as the Bond films. I've said this before and I'll say it again: Bond is at the end of the day an action/thriller film series. We've got some talented arty people making the films now but at the end of the day they're escapist action films and instead of acting like they're above other action franchises I think the people behind the films could learn a thing or two. The Rock is probably most famous for his role in the last two Fast And Furious films (the best ones). I don't know if you've seen them but the action scenes and fight scenes in those films blow anything in SF out of the water. Mendes should take notes.

    The thing is, Bond movies are not, never were ONLY action movies. And thus, need sometimes, for some roles, actors to carry the characters and story. I will take SF over many action movies not because of the quality of its action scenes, but because of the quality of the casting and characterization, and because of the aesthetic. The best Bond movies have soul, even the mediocre ones actually, something that often lacks in action movies. Was DN had such great action scenes? No, it was often very staged, it felt like a B movie, it still had charm and character the way very little movies have.

    That said, a muscleman with limited acting skills can play a role in a Bond movie. With The Rock, they would bring a big name, more a star than an actor for a specific role. Bautista, in a limited capacity, without a name yet (which would be distracting), can potentially work wonders if well directed. I did not find Tyler Mane amazing in the first X-Men movie, but he was convincing enough and was lifted by the other actors, in a role that was within his range. And note that when the role became more demanding in the first Wolverine movie, they recast him.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    @Gustav, check your mail.


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    Matt_Helm wrote: »
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    Moreover, I don't want Sam Mendes to draw inspiration from the "Fast & Furious" franchise. Bond has 50 years of fighting experience himself. Bond is better than those fast and furious testosterone filled car racers. I love to see the F&F movies, especially the last three. And inspiration comes with every filmmaker.

    Don't you worry. He's much to busy copying Nolan.

    So there are people in here who rather see Bond drawing inspiration from "Fast & Furious" than from Christopher Nolan. In all honesty, we're talking about fighting sequences.

    Fighting sequences are the one thing I can't imagine anyone would want to copy Nolan on. His are usually terrible.

    I thought Mendes' Jellyfish skyscraper fight was the best fight of the film.
    It doesn't make too much fuss, its stylish, and dramatic.

    It's very Mendes, and that's what I want more of. If they're going to hire a big name director, I don't want to see him copy other filmmakers. That's for the amateurs to do.

    For the record, I do agree that Skyfall had some weak like looking fights when compared to Obanno, Slate, and Greene.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Guys, I liked the following fights from a Bond film the best (in no particular order):

    -OHMSS with Tracy's big bodyguard in the hotel
    -OHMSS on the beach (terribly cut but superb kinetic action)
    -FRWL - the gold standard with Grant
    -Thunderball - pretitles fight after the funeral (but horrid editing)
    -YOLT - fight in Osato's office with Rock's grandad (loved it from the purely Bond 'Good Evening' start to the finish)
    -MWTGG - fight after the belly dance routine (just loved Roger Moore in this movie as he was super cool - "I've lost my charm......Not from where I'm standing"). Barry's music during the encounter was awesome
    -TSWLM - Egypt fight sequences with Chandor and with Anya's henchman (Moore's best fights in my opinion)
    -Goldeneye - with 006 at the end (excellent close contact combat - and you could feel the pain)
    -CR - Obanno on the stairs (again you could feel it)
    -QoS - loved Slate but hang the editor up and then slash him at the balls (a'la Hannibal)
    -Skyfall - Patrice at Skyscraper (just due to the whole damn moodiness of that entire section from the start with Bond in the pool. I agree that none of it was really necessary and the fight was useless, but it was just so beautifully shot that I enjoyed it immensely)

    I'm worried that they're trying to 'pg' down the violence since QoS - and Skyfall showed this. If that's the case, we could have less violent/kinetic fights. I hope not. Let's see
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
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    Moreover, I don't want Sam Mendes to draw inspiration from the "Fast & Furious" franchise. Bond has 50 years of fighting experience himself. Bond is better than those fast and furious testosterone filled car racers. I love to see the F&F movies, especially the last three. And inspiration comes with every filmmaker.

    Don't you worry. He's much to busy copying Nolan.

    So there are people in here who rather see Bond drawing inspiration from "Fast & Furious" than from Christopher Nolan. In all honesty, we're talking about fighting sequences.

    Fighting sequences are the one thing I can't imagine anyone would want to copy Nolan on. His are usually terrible.

    I thought Mendes' Jellyfish skyscraper fight was the best fight of the film.
    It doesn't make too much fuss, its stylish, and dramatic.

    It's very Mendes, and that's what I want more of. If they're going to hire a big name director, I don't want to see him copy other filmmakers. That's for the amateurs to do.

    For the record, I do agree that Skyfall had some weak like looking fights when compared to Obanno, Slate, and Greene.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I forgot to mention DAF in the elevator. Loved that one too, even though I hated everything else about it except for Barry's score and Bassey of course.

    "You just killed James Bond......."
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Holy moly this thread is chock full of TL;DR. 8-|
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    @Gustav, check your mail.

    Just responded back :-).
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Sandy wrote: »
    Brilliant post @RC7, you summed up my thoughts exactly. I prefer a couple of short, brutal fights an entire film full of carefully planned fight sequences when it comes to Bond. Let's not forget Bond's background is in boxing and judo, not kung-fu /:)

    That's his background in the original Fleming books but in the movies, particularly in this rebooted era, Bond's fighting style should be more dynamic than just boxing and judo. He's an assassin that should be using a variety of effective cqc/cab fighting styles. No one's saying he should be doing flying kicks and kicking butt like Jacki Chan; that's not Bond. But scrappy fighting styles of a mix of kali and krav maga is what we should be getting. It's effective, impressive to watch and visceral.

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    When I first heard the news about Bautista, I instantly thought of this fight scene from Sherlock Holmes:

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    [quote="doubleoego;377432
    Bautista is fantastic casting and with his work in film and even what he's done with the WWE he's going to make an awesome henchman. Again, he's going to surprise a lot of people.
    [/quote]

    Indeed!

  • edited October 2014 Posts: 4,409
    http://variety.com/2014/film/news/julia-roberts-secret-in-their-eyes-remake-1201298236/

    This story is interesting. It seems Chiwetel Ejiofor is booked up shooting another film this fall. We know Bond starts filming in December so his chances of appearing in the film seem to be totally extinguished. However, Bond shooting schedules are usually very lengthy so there is a chance they have arranged to film his scenes later in production. Thinking of it Javier Bardem is only really in about an hour of SF so if they work their schedules out accordingly Ejiofor could join later in the process. Despite this I think it's really doubtful he'll appear in the film, his name was only rumoured as being a frontrunner some months back (with no offer apparently being made) since then we have heard nothing of his participation while rumours involving Seydoux and Baustia have boiled away.

    Ejiofor is a great actor and with his background in British theatre would seem a natural choice for Mendes. I really hope they can work out things and get him in the film!

    Chiwetel-Ejiofor-for-Esquire-Magazine-January-2014-Issue-6.jpg

    Here's an advert he recently done with Chivas Regal and he looks a bit Blofeld-esque with that shaved head and confident demeanour

  • Pajan005Pajan005 Stockholm, Sweden
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    I could see Ejiofor playing an ally of Bond. He doesn't necessarily need to be a villain.
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    Ejiofor looks nothing like Blofeld. And Blofeld in the novel never had a shaved head to begin with!

    That said, I still think it is likely that he will play the villain in Bond 24. Not that I am enthusiastic about it, but it is so far the only consistent casting rumour about the main villain and he keeps mum about it every time someone asks.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    When was the last time Ejiofor was asked about his involvement with Bond 24?
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    When was the last time Ejiofor was asked about his involvement with Bond 24?

    Good question. But nevertheless, who else was rumored, apart from Mark Strong?
  • Is it just me or is Hinx the worst sounding name for a Bond villain?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    When was the last time Ejiofor was asked about his involvement with Bond 24?

    I believe it was August. You can look back through this massive thread if you really want to.
  • edited October 2014 Posts: 5,745
    Samuel001 wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    When was the last time Ejiofor was asked about his involvement with Bond 24?

    I believe it was August. You can look back through this massive thread if you really want to.

    Or just check the opening post, which is its purpose /:)

    And the last original report was April.
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    http://variety.com/2014/film/news/julia-roberts-secret-in-their-eyes-remake-1201298236/

    This story is interesting. It seems Chiwetel Ejiofor is booked up shooting another film this fall. We know Bond starts filming in December so his chances of appearing in the film seem to be totally extinguished. However, Bond shooting schedules are usually very lengthy so there is a chance they have arranged to film his scenes later in production. Thinking of it Javier Bardem is only really in about an hour of SF so if they work their schedules out accordingly Ejiofor could join later in the process. Despite this I think it's really doubtful he'll appear in the film, his name was only rumoured as being a frontrunner some months back (with no offer apparently being made) since then we have heard nothing of his participation while rumours involving Seydoux and Baustia have boiled away.

    Ejiofor is a great actor and with his background in British theatre would seem a natural choice for Mendes. I really hope they can work out things and get him in the film!

    Chiwetel-Ejiofor-for-Esquire-Magazine-January-2014-Issue-6.jpg

    Here's an advert he recently done with Chivas Regal and he looks a bit Blofeld-esque with that shaved head and confident demeanour


    But what do we do now then? I remember Javier Bardem was fully busy around 2011/2012 with "Skyfall". I'm slightly getting used to the idea of Chiwetel Ejiofor (1 Oscar nomination, 3 Golden Globe nominations) as villain. But what about these actors? Which of these actors could be announced by Michael & Barbara on December 6th? Realistically spoken?
    :
    --> Daniel Day-Lewis (3 Oscar wins, 2 Golden Globe wins)
    --> Christoph Waltz (2 Oscar wins, 2 Golden Globe wins)
    --> John Malkovich (2 Oscar nominations, 3 Golden Globe nominations)
    --> William Dafoe (2 Oscar nominations, 1 Golden Globe nomination)
    --> Michael Shannon (1 Oscar nomination)
    --> Michael Fassbender (1 Oscar nomination, 2 Golden Globe nominations)

    I also came across actor Jared Harris (nominated for several Screen Actors Guild Awards and Emmy's for his role "Mad Men"), who played a delightfulpsychotic Moriarty in "Sherlock Holmes 2" and he plays a certain villainous character called Sanders in "The Man From U.N.C.L.E.", which is now in post-production.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    As I posted somewhere (and I got the idea from someone else on Imdb), I want Denzel Washington
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    I don't think they'll go for someone as famous as Denzel Washington or John Malkovich. Javier Bardem was more famous than the usual casting choice for the villain, he started being considered if I am not mistaken in 2008-2009, when he was still relatively obscure. And neither him nor Ejiofor have the star status that Denzel Washington has.

    Jared Harris, I would love to see, and Christoph Waltz, but somehow I don't see that happening in Bond 24. My money is still on Ejiofor, even though I am not enthusiastic about him.
  • edited October 2014 Posts: 11,119
    I have taken a look at the schedules of following actors (who could play a villain in Bond 24):

    --> Daniel Day-Lewis (3 Oscar wins, 2 Golden Globe wins): [AVAILABLE]
    Has absolutely no schedule set out for a new movie since he did "Lincoln". But then again, he is also a stage actor and he only signs up for a movie every now (once every 2/3 years isn't an exception, so Day-Lewis is very very critical). Chance is slim Day-Lewis could be lured into doing a Bond film.

    --> Christoph Waltz (2 Oscar wins, 2 Golden Globe wins): [AVAILABLE]
    Also Mr Waltz has no filming obligations anymore. Filming of "Tarzan" wrapped up on October 3rd this month. Waltz plays a villain in that film as well. Also another drama film with Waltz, "Tulip Fever", about the Dutch 17th century tulip craze, is already in post production. So he's free.

    --> Denzel Washington (2 Oscar wins, 2 Golden Globe wins): [AVAILABLE]
    Also Denzel takes it easy lately. His latest movie "The Equalizer" is now in cinemas, but he has nothing scheduled for the near future. So also Washington could be signed up to play a villain without too much problems.

    --> Idris Elba (1 Golden Globe win, 1 BAFTA-LA win): [TOO BUSY]
    Well, this lovely British actor has a really busy schedule right now. Currently (2014) he is filming: "A Hundred Streets" (release date late 2015), "Bastille Day" (release date summer 2016). He is also doing voice work for the animation films "Finding Dory" (summer 2016 release, sequel to Finding Nemo) and "The Jungle Book" (2015). After that he immediately starts filming on "Alive Alone" (2015) and "Knights of the Roundtable: King Arthur" (2016). So my guess is, that Elba can't be signed up for "Bond 24".

    --> John Malkovich (2 Oscar nominations, 3 Golden Globe nominations): [AVAILABLE]
    This wunderful character actor knows how to play rather twisted, slightly crazy persons. And there's some good news. Currently his only film project he's filming right now is the drama "Dominion". It is set for an early 2015 release, so he almost finished filming.

    --> William Dafoe (2 Oscar nominations, 1 Golden Globe nomination): [AVAILABLE]
    Dafoe played this marvellous psychtic in "The Grand Budapest Hotel". Also check him out in "John Wick" end of October when that film hits cinema. But as of today his schedule is completely free. He did not sign up for any new movie so far, so EON Productions could also call in Dafoe.

    --> Chiwetel Ejiofor (1 Oscar nomination, 3 Golden Globe nominations): [NOT TOO BUSY?]
    Yes, he is currently filming "The Secret In Their Eyes" with Julia Roberts. Thanks for the link @Pierce2Daniel ( http://variety.com/2014/film/news/julia-roberts-secret-in-their-eyes-remake-1201298236/ ). But it's only one film, the link is from early September, so he could perhaps already be halfway trhough filming, and after that he's got no schedule at all set up. "Triple Nine" and "Z For Zacharias" are already in post production.

    --> Michael Shannon (1 Oscar nomination): [AVAILABLE]
    Great drama actor who knows how to play a psychopath. He knows Sam Mendes, as he already worked with him in "Revolutionary Roadhis breakthrough. "Take Shelter" was another drama film that got several prize nominations. His biggest blockbuster to date is "Man Of Steel". But as he already finished filming on the sci-fi drama "Midnight Special" he is free for filming.

    --> Michael Fassbender (1 Oscar nomination, 2 Golden Globe nominations): [TOO BUSY]
    Currently he is filming "The Light Between Oceans". Then he continues on the production "Assassin's Creed" (summer 2015). Then he starts filming on "Prometheus 2" (due to hit theatres in 2016). And after that he goes on set for "X-Men: Apocalypse" (spring 2016). I think he can't fit in a filming schedule for "Bond 24".

    --> Jared Harris (3 Screen Actors Guild Award nominations): [AVAILABLE]
    Mr Harris just wrapped up filming on Guy Ritchie's "The Man From U.N.C.L.E.". You can also see him in the remake of "Poltergeist", which comes out in summer 2015. But other than that he has no new plans for filming.

    --> Mark Strong (1 BAFTA nomination): [NOT TOO BUSY]
    Mark Strong recently wrapped up filming on another 'competitor' of James Bond, the upcoming spy/action movie "Kingsman: The Secret Service". But he is also filming the upcoming comedy "Grimsby" which is set to premiere on 31st of July 2015. So I'm not very sure how he, like Chiwetel Ejiofor, can fit into a Bond 24 filming schedule.


    So from this list only Idris Elba and Michael Fassbender really seem to busy. But EON Productions still have a huge list of actors to choose from for the role of Bond villain. And also keep in mind that, like with Javier Bardem, they basically wrote the script by having Javier Bardem in mind as villain. He even received a Spanish version of "Skyfall"'s screenplay to fully prepare himself.

    So I expect Barbara and Michael to tailor the screenplay for a specific actor this time around as well. And then the producers have plentiful time to contract one of the above actors for a leading villain role.

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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Jared Harris, I would love to see, and Christoph Waltz, but somehow I don't see that happening in Bond 24. My money is still on Ejiofor, even though I am not enthusiastic about him.

    I would love to see Jared Harris as a Bond villain. I wouldn't wanna see him as Blofled (if the character returns), just because it would be a strange if he played Moriaty and Blofeld. Two big arch-enemies.
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    AdaShelby wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Jared Harris, I would love to see, and Christoph Waltz, but somehow I don't see that happening in Bond 24. My money is still on Ejiofor, even though I am not enthusiastic about him.

    I would love to see Jared Harris as a Bond villain. I wouldn't wanna see him as Blofled (if the character returns), just because it would be a strange if he played Moriaty and Blofeld. Two big arch-enemies.

    He does not look like Blofeld anyway, even though Blofeld and Moriarty have a lot in common, they are miles apart physically.

    How about Simon Russell Beale? He is a friend of Sam Mendes, he worked with him very recently on stage and he has been rumored to play a villain back in 2008-2009 (I think). Granted, this is pretty thin, but still.
  • edited October 2014 Posts: 11,119
    Ludovico wrote: »
    AdaShelby wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Jared Harris, I would love to see, and Christoph Waltz, but somehow I don't see that happening in Bond 24. My money is still on Ejiofor, even though I am not enthusiastic about him.

    I would love to see Jared Harris as a Bond villain. I wouldn't wanna see him as Blofled (if the character returns), just because it would be a strange if he played Moriaty and Blofeld. Two big arch-enemies.

    He does not look like Blofeld anyway, even though Blofeld and Moriarty have a lot in common, they are miles apart physically.

    How about Simon Russell Beale? He is a friend of Sam Mendes, he worked with him very recently on stage and he has been rumored to play a villain back in 2008-2009 (I think). Granted, this is pretty thin, but still.

    But @Ludovico. Although I'd love to see Blofeld return, I think the producers will write the role way more carefully. I don't think they will simply cast a Blofeld. They will re-introduce him slowly. And if he returns in Bond 24 he will have not much screentime, and certainly will not be the leading villain. Perhaps Blofeld's casting will be the biggest project for EON in decades, thus we won't hear any news from him, even not during the 6 December press conference.
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    I think so too. And this I sort of hope we'll see Beale as him.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I hope we get some news this upcoming week, preferably tomorrow.
  • I have a question that has always puzzled me about bond films in general, why do they have such short post production time. Take the man from uncle that has just finished filming, and is not due out till August. That's about 10 months post production time. Bond 24 will likely finish filming June time giving it about 4 months tops post production time. It's been the same with the last load of bond films only 3-4 months post production. Does that not seem a bit rushed for a big scale film these days? I mean the more time in post production the better they can to make it look and be the best, like skyfalls cgi helicopters!
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    AdaShelby wrote: »
    When I first heard the news about Bautista, I instantly thought of this fight scene from Sherlock Holmes:


    I never realised that was Dave Bautista? :-O
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