SPECTRE Production Timeline

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  • Posts: 1,552
    JCRendle wrote: »
    that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale
    What do you mean by this?
    It's an expression. It means you give yourself less options by not playing ahead.

    ...I know what "painted themselves into a corner" means. What I was asking for clarification on was why you thought that they had painted themselves into a corner.
  • chipstickschipsticks NOT on TheDanielCraigForum where they think know Daniel Craig personally and Léa and Monica are ugly
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    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale. They Brought back the bond formula, complete with the Aston Martin and look at the success they had!

    That's why I'm excited for SPECTRE, a proper Bond film in the mould of the earlier ones.
    3:-O


    is that really a cow? :-O :)) fantastic I love it :-bd
  • Posts: 1,596
    Many of the things people are treating as "nods" aren't necessarily. The DB5 is Bond's personal car, and it's a part of his character in a way. It's a great way to tie the loose continuity together and state, "look, this is the same James Bond." It helps debunk any code name morons out there as well.

    I like tying similarities between the actors, it gives them connection. I love Craig's getup that hearkens back to Moore's outfit in LALD. Do I want homages, winks, and references left and right? Absolutely not.

    I think Mendes understands that though. He's just staying true to the character, not shamelessly referencing Bond films of the past (ahem - QOS oil covered Fields, several moments in DAD). Some of the latter's references are tolerable, because it was the 40th anniversary, but I think SF handled them much more slickly and with more sophistication.

    tl;dr - Some of these "nods" aren't necessarily nods but simply extensions of the cinematic character of James Bond.
  • Posts: 12,526
    Hopefully we will get some video footage from the press conference? With a lot of luck a video blog before a trailer on the 28th?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited March 2015 Posts: 8,400
    JCRendle wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale
    What do you mean by this?
    It's an expression. It means you give yourself less options by not playing ahead.

    ...I know what "painted themselves into a corner" means. What I was asking for clarification on was why you thought that they had painted themselves into a corner.

    My apologies, I misunderstood. Anyway, What I mean is you can't go on making films in the mould of Casino Royale ad infinitum. The formula doesn't work like it did with Goldfinger. That film probably did more for bond than Fleming ever did.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited March 2015 Posts: 15,138
    timmer wrote: »
    Back to the poster for a second.

    What I like about the poster is that it is heavily photoshopped and posed.
    It's got a throwback appeal!
    I like that Bond is sexed up as detached man-of-action on mission, with steely look of determination, much like the old '60's '70s Bond poster caricatures.
    Craig does look very fantasy Bond-like in that shot.
    So now that a SP Bond-look has been established, going forward, let's also mix in the busy stuff, like girls, guns, fire and lots of stuff blowing up, with Bond right in the midst of it all.

    From%20Russia%20With%20Love%20Poster%203.jpg
    man_with_the_golden_gun.jpg

    Now, with all the great action and location settings, not to mention potential set pieces, planned for SP, there is potential for a great throwback Bond-busy poster. Craig's determined facial expression is perfect for such a poster.
    The potential- the silver Aston, the orange Jag, Bellucci stretched in exotic pose, Seydoux looking sexy fierce, snow, planes crashing, land rovers crashing, the new Piz Glora retreat.
    Day of the Dead scary imagery in Mexico.
    The potential for a great poster is here. And sure, do some of the mimimalist stuff as well, why not.
    But there is potential for a great throwback poster too.
    Bond is back and with full mojo intact. Celebrate I say!

    I like your ideas for the poster design @timmer. All of the poster campaigns for the Craig films have been well below par when compared to posters of old.
    Personally I do like the sixties posters. But one of my all time favourites is this one...
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    Bond in the centre of the gun barrel, with snippets of action and women surrounding him.
    But a retro 60's / 70's look would also work. It should be very busy, without being cluttered. Fingers crossed on that one.

  • RC7RC7
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    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale.

    They painted themselves out of a corner with CR. QoS forced them back into one. Which is a shame. They lost their balls.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 117
    RC7, lets just agree to disagree here. You obviously know much better than all of us, Sam Mendes, Eon, Daniel Craig and every Bond fan. Not sure if you are a teenage Subaru yob or not but behaving like one isn't helping your cause. And it's now boring. Take the bits of Bond you like and enjoy....!
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale.

    They painted themselves out of a corner with CR. QoS forced them back into one. Which is a shame. They lost their balls.

    CR forced them after the 100 minute mark...




  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Scamp wrote: »
    RC7, lets just agree to disagree here. You obviously know much better than all of us, Sam Mendes, Eon, Daniel Craig and every Bond fan. Not sure if you are a teenage Subaru yob or not but behaving like one isn't helping your cause. And it's now boring. Take the bits of Bond you like and enjoy....!

    Couldn't get a steak for dinner? I love a cold meat platter.
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    James Bond Official FB Page has just posted this:

    Producer Michael G. Wilson and actress Stephanie Sigman (Estrella) photographed today in Mexico City. Production on SPECTRE has moved to the city to shoot the film’s opening sequence featuring the Day of the Dead festival. This is the fourth time a Bond adventure has filmed in the country.

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  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale.

    They painted themselves out of a corner with CR. QoS forced them back into one. Which is a shame. They lost their balls.

    CR forced them after the 100 minute mark...

    Not to take this even further off track, but how so? CR reinvigorated the series.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Love the photos! I'll have to go back and read everything today.

    I just want to say I'm happy to see Michael G. Wilson looking good, out and about again. :)

    And I just thought of Salma Hayak, because they are now in Mexico. I bet she wishes (and many of her fans wish) that she were part of this film.
  • RC7RC7
    edited March 2015 Posts: 10,512
    I just want to say I'm happy to see Michael G. Wilson looking good, out and about again. :)

    It definitely warms the cockles. Great to see him back in the field, so to speak.
  • Posts: 11,119
    RC7 wrote: »
    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale.

    They painted themselves out of a corner with CR. QoS forced them back into one. Which is a shame. They lost their balls.

    Really, "EON lost their balls"?? What is thát supposed to mean.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale.

    They painted themselves out of a corner with CR. QoS forced them back into one. Which is a shame. They lost their balls.

    Really, "EON lost their balls"?? What is thát supposed to mean.

    They kick started a new and interesting trajectory with CR, which QoS did it's best to follow, but the critics weren't enamoured. Rather than stick with it, they retained elements but covered their arses by immediately bringing in tropes and homages that acted as a comfort blanket/safety net.
  • Posts: 1,552
    CR and QoS had "tropes and homages" too? Craig raising from the sea ala Honey Rider, the DB5, the Agent Fields/Jill Masterson deaths etc
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited March 2015 Posts: 8,400
    3:-O
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale.

    They painted themselves out of a corner with CR. QoS forced them back into one. Which is a shame. They lost their balls.

    CR forced them after the 100 minute mark...

    Not to take this even further off track, but how so? CR reinvigorated the series.

    most of the issues appear in the last half an hour.
    Bond and Vesper's relationship changes dramatically after he wakes up from his injuries. up until then Vesper isn't much more than a run-of-the-mill bond girl. Okay, bond comforted her in the shower, but that's about it apart from flirting and the usual back and forth. All of a sudden they're in deep, passionate love with each other just to keep pace with the book. It's so abrupt. And some of the dialogue... 'I have no armour left', so corny and melodramatic. I thought this was serious bond.

    Then there's vespers death. Just getting to her death is so tedious and eat's up about twenty minutes of screen time, even though the actual plot (the poker game) is all wrapped up. why do we need another huge action set piece here, it's just ridiculous and nothing like the book. Gutless move, especially when OHMSS stuck to it's guns and is heralded for it's sad ending.

    But that's not the biggest reason that Casino Royale is let down by it's ending.
    3:-O
  • Posts: 117
    RC7, so nice to see you happy about Michael Wilson. Makes a change for you to be happy about anything to do with Eon.
  • Posts: 1,552
    @Mendes4Lyfe - What's with the cow?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    Scamp wrote: »
    RC7, so nice to see you happy about Michael Wilson. Makes a change for you to be happy about anything to do with Eon.

    Stop baiting members into an argument @Scamp It will not be tolerated.
    Final warning concerning this.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    most of the issues appear in the last half an hour.
    Bond and Vesper's relationship changes dramatically after he wakes up from his injuries. up until then Vesper isn't much more than a run-of-the-mill bond girl. Okay, bond comforted her in the shower, but that's about it apart from flirting and the usual back and forth. All of a sudden they're in deep, passionate love with each other just to keep pace with the book. It's so abrupt. And some of the dialogue... 'I have no armour left', so corny and melodramatic. I thought this was serious bond.

    Then there's vespers death. Just getting to her death is so tedious and eat's up about twenty minutes of screen time, even though the actual plot (the poker game) is all wrapped up. why do we need another huge action set piece here, it's just ridiculous and nothing like the book. Gutless move, especially when OHMSS stuck to it's guns and is heralded for it's sad ending.

    But that's not the biggest reason that Casino Royale is let down by it's ending.
    3:-O

    Thanks for your response. I definitely see a lot of your points. I actually don't mind a lot of the dialogue and I think the evolution of the relationship works well. I believe they're in love from the moment they set eyes on each other aboard the train, it swells from there. Regard her death, I'd take a close adaptation, but I don't think what we got was too different. The emotion between Craig and Green is incomparable across the series, it trumps the OHMSS scene for me. I think OHMSS and CR are easily two of the best in the canon.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Scamp wrote: »
    RC7, so nice to see you happy about Michael Wilson. Makes a change for you to be happy about anything to do with Eon.

    I love EON. Thanks for your concern, though.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Mendes4lyfe, you make some good points about the relationship between Bond and Vesper. I'd always put the " speeding up " of the romance after his injuries down to
    The mission being over, so he could give in to his feelings for her ? Perhaps even think of a normal life away from the service .
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 11,119
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale.

    They painted themselves out of a corner with CR. QoS forced them back into one. Which is a shame. They lost their balls.

    Really, "EON lost their balls"?? What is thát supposed to mean.

    They kick started a new and interesting trajectory with CR, which QoS did it's best to follow, but the critics weren't enamoured. Rather than stick with it, they retained elements but covered their arses by immediately bringing in tropes and homages that acted as a comfort blanket/safety net.

    Again, such an overreaction. I honestly don't know where to start. For me, at least in style, SF feels like a continuation of CR. At least both films take the time for the characters. Both films let the characters evolve, and had believable drama and plentiful background.

    For me Sam Mendes, who said on many occasions that seeing CR was one of the reasons he would like to try and direct a Bond film, retained the CR-vibe, that Marc Forster so bluntly threw away.

    It's not Mendes, but Forster who could have retained the same kind of style that Campbell initiated. But no, it had to be a continuation, while at the same time Forster wanted to make the film grittier, more vengeful. Yes, I heard Forster saying many times that Bond must have become vengeful after CR. True, but only to a certain extend! It doesn't need to become a forced attempt of making the film grittier, by overhauling EVERY aspect of filmmaking. It was Forster, not Mendes, who could have made such a great movie after CR, by focusing himself on the story and plot in greater detail. He, as a director, should have let the story breathe out the grittyness and vengeful mood, not every other aspect like the editing, the cinematography and the scoring!

    A director is responsible for that. And until today I still don't buy it that it was entirely a flawed production, because of this so called "writer's strike". It was Forster who had to act by then! Halting the production, delaying it for one year, and re-do the screenplay, or otherwise step down, which directors with a good set of creative brains do!

    All this bullocks and nonsense about bringing in "flawed homages, tropes and references" still doesn't make SF 10 times worse as compared to QOS. Yes, SF is perhaps not as good as CR. But by JOLLY, I am glad that at least Mendes retained the style of CR in "Skyfall"! And moreover, references don't destroy films. Flawed productions destroy films. And although QOS is by far a flawed production, it comes closest to a more troubled production.

    And even if you fully disagree with me, which you will off course, then for God sake stop implying that a turtle-neck leads to the downfall of creativity. You will obviously say "I have never said that" and "You are reading not good enough". Well, I don't give a shit then, because you are implying it anyway (imply = Indicate the truth or existence of (something) by suggestion rather than explicit reference).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    RC7 wrote: »
    most of the issues appear in the last half an hour.
    Bond and Vesper's relationship changes dramatically after he wakes up from his injuries. up until then Vesper isn't much more than a run-of-the-mill bond girl. Okay, bond comforted her in the shower, but that's about it apart from flirting and the usual back and forth. All of a sudden they're in deep, passionate love with each other just to keep pace with the book. It's so abrupt. And some of the dialogue... 'I have no armour left', so corny and melodramatic. I thought this was serious bond.

    Then there's vespers death. Just getting to her death is so tedious and eat's up about twenty minutes of screen time, even though the actual plot (the poker game) is all wrapped up. why do we need another huge action set piece here, it's just ridiculous and nothing like the book. Gutless move, especially when OHMSS stuck to it's guns and is heralded for it's sad ending.

    But that's not the biggest reason that Casino Royale is let down by it's ending.
    3:-O

    Thanks for your response. I definitely see a lot of your points. I actually don't mind a lot of the dialogue and I think the evolution of the relationship works well. I believe they're in love from the moment they set eyes on each other aboard the train, it swells from there. Regard her death, I'd take a close adaptation, but I don't think what we got was too different. The emotion between Craig and Green is incomparable across the series, it trumps the OHMSS scene for me. I think OHMSS and CR are easily two of the best in the canon.

    Glad we can agree on something, OHMSS all the way!

  • RC7RC7
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    DrGorner wrote: »
    Mendes4lyfe, you make some good points about the relationship between Bond and Vesper. I'd always put the " speeding up " of the romance after his injuries down to
    The mission being over, so he could give in to his feelings for her ? Perhaps even think of a normal life away from the service .

    I agree with this. A lot if it evokes the novel without translating it specifically.
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale.

    They painted themselves out of a corner with CR. QoS forced them back into one. Which is a shame. They lost their balls.

    Really, "EON lost their balls"?? What is thát supposed to mean.

    They kick started a new and interesting trajectory with CR, which QoS did it's best to follow, but the critics weren't enamoured. Rather than stick with it, they retained elements but covered their arses by immediately bringing in tropes and homages that acted as a comfort blanket/safety net.

    And even if you fully disagree with me, which you will off course, then for God sake stop implying that a turtle-neck leads to the downfall of creativity. You will obviously say "I have never said that" and "You are reading not good enough". Well, I don't give a shit then, because you are implying it anyway (imply = Indicate the truth or existence of (something) by suggestion rather than explicit reference).

    I like the idea that a turtle-neck is the downfall of creativity, it sounds very Chris Morris, but no, that's not what was implied. What I suggested was that it was symptomatic of a wider creative process. If you don't 'give a shit' don't bother commenting mate, I'm looking for discussion.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    All opinions are valid and all are correct ( mine especially ) :D I don't mind the odd nod to past films, but not too many.
  • Posts: 11,119
    RC7 wrote: »
    DrGorner wrote: »
    Mendes4lyfe, you make some good points about the relationship between Bond and Vesper. I'd always put the " speeding up " of the romance after his injuries down to
    The mission being over, so he could give in to his feelings for her ? Perhaps even think of a normal life away from the service .

    I agree with this. A lot if it evokes the novel without translating it specifically.
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Skyfall was the silent recognition from EON that they had painted themselves into a corner with Casino royale.

    They painted themselves out of a corner with CR. QoS forced them back into one. Which is a shame. They lost their balls.

    Really, "EON lost their balls"?? What is thát supposed to mean.

    They kick started a new and interesting trajectory with CR, which QoS did it's best to follow, but the critics weren't enamoured. Rather than stick with it, they retained elements but covered their arses by immediately bringing in tropes and homages that acted as a comfort blanket/safety net.

    And even if you fully disagree with me, which you will off course, then for God sake stop implying that a turtle-neck leads to the downfall of creativity. You will obviously say "I have never said that" and "You are reading not good enough". Well, I don't give a shit then, because you are implying it anyway (imply = Indicate the truth or existence of (something) by suggestion rather than explicit reference).

    I like the idea that a turtle-neck is the downfall of creativity, it sounds very Chris Morris, but no, that's not what was implied. What I suggested was that it was symptomatic of a wider creative process. If you don't 'give a shit' don't bother commenting mate, I'm looking for discussion.

    I do give some shit. And I think my "shit" makes perfect sense really. A good discussion? I always love it. You know that. And many of your recent answers in here provoked discussion. At least from my side.

    Just.......I think you're not hitting the nails at all when you're saying "EON lost their balls" or "EON covered their arses by immediately bringing in tropes and homages". It's just a big pile of populist, un-nunaced, untrue shit really. You make it sound that "SPECTRE" is heading towards another typical disappointing Mendes-film. I find it too early to say such nonsense at this stage really. That's my part of the discussion.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 4,622
    @benny Sure TLD poster is a great looking alternative busy poster.
    That would be great compromise for SP. Do a busy a poster and some other minimalist type posters, but bottom line, I guess it all comes down to how they want to sell the film, as that is the poster's job.
    Personally I love the busy posters, as items to enjoy in their own right.

    @scamp I don't think you are giving @rc7 his due re the DB5.
    I am not bothered at all, by it at this point. I have surrendered. And it was only the way it was introduced in SF, that I took exception too, as I explained in an earlier post.

    But please, allow that it's return is not everyone's cup of tea.
    The car is not by any mean vital to the series.
    It made its initial impact in exactly two films, GF and TB and then it disappeared for 30 years.
    It was reintroduced in a big way with the GE relaunch, clearly to give Broz Bond a link with the classic era.
    We saw it one more time in the Broz era, again as Bond's personal car, and now three times in the Craig era, again as Bond's personal car, but don't forget it WAS GONE for 30 years, and it could easily go again.
    It's not vital.

    The Aston Martin make though is associated with Bond in a broader sense.
    We have seen various models over the years and the brand has become a staple from DAD forward and into the Craig era, but even it might step aside for a bit again.

    But the DB5 GF model I think will probaby disappear post Mendes and Craig. Just my guess.
    Apparently it's indestructible, but it could still be written out, even if it can't be blown to bits. ;)
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