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True, true. I just don't like what he's done and might do to the Moneypenny character. I also didn't like the manner in which it was revealed at the end of SF that Eve was Moneypenny. It just felt unnatural to me. I think it would have been better if one of the office staff (someone with good natural acting skills) who had recently been hired by MI6 knocked on her door and asked if she was Eve Moneypenny and said that he/she had been sent up to get some files or something like that. Anyway, I suppose the MP thing is for another thread.
Before the movie we already know it be a house, extra suport by the fact The House is seen in the maintitle and with second or third view of the maintitle i notice that Bond escape from the ice also been seen the maintitle. Whyle before with Skyfall and inspecialy connected with CR and QOS the moost inportent meaning of it be the fall of Bond/Mi6 and the view to a kill. That view to a kill moment in China disapointed, Scotland whas nice and the best moment be the end. But the training of Bond in park been cut from the movie. We see almoost nothing from Bond strugle, exept the beginning a litle bit and the end disapointed. Atleast the maintitle predict live and death and since i believe every Daniel Craig era maintitle predict the next or next 2 movies i have some hope.
As for spoilers, yes, I feel that a whole lot was leaked and it ruined it for many people, including myself. Didn't people outline the entire film based off of clapperboards, production notes, images, etc.?
Yeah, SF wasn't without its faults and I think some if the things you mentioned could be some of the issues Mendes was talking about in terms of mistakes and things he wishes he could have changed. That being said, I think the MP reveal was a bit clunky as well as Bond's, "with pleasure, M; with pleasure" line. There are numerous things I hope Mendes improves upon and approaches differently for Bond 24 but simultaneously I still on the whole feel like we're going to recurve a fantastic movie.
Agreed. It had some good comedic moments in it (not sure if it was intentional, but the drunken gaze Craig gives when M turns on the lights in her flat is hilarious), but a lot of it was very forced and awkward.
Did we even know Moneypenny's first name prior to that moment in the office?
EDIT: Here is that section from SirHenry's thread, about M's name:
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M's name is "Olivia Mansfield." A 2013 props exhibition revealed her full name to be visible in an inscription on the box given to Bond from Eve containing M's porcelain bulldog figurine. In 1995, the original script for GoldenEye had revealed M's name as "Barbara Mawdsley," but this was before the James Bond series "reboot" with Casino Royale, so Judi Dench's interpretation of M is likely two different characters. Curiously, "Olivia" is Dench's middle name, and the first head of the British Secret Service was (George) Mansfield Smith-Cummings (known by the first letter of his last name "C"). According to fellow spy novelist 'John Le Carré', Ian Fleming (ever tongue in cheek), designated the head of SIS as "M", using instead Cummings' first name. Keeping the Mansfield here as a surname is a twist but not intended in any of Fleming's original works. Fleming's "Man With the Golden Gun" gave his M's name as Miles Messervy.
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But there is a ton of other info, also; well worth reading.
Here is the info from SirHenry's thread (and I will quit copying now; just go read the thread, it is chockfull of info). :
Naomie Harris is the fourth actress in the official series to play Miss Moneypenny. Harris' Moneypenny is called Eve making her characterization the first time in the official series that the character has had a first name. The character had been on a 10 year hiatus since Die Another Day. Harris is also the first black actress to play the part. Lois Maxwell first played Moneypenny in 14 Bond films between 1962 and 1985 through all of the Connery, Lazenby and Moore movies. Maxwell was then followed by Caroline Bliss for two films during the Dalton era and then Samantha Bond for four films during the Brosnan era. 'Skyfall' represents the first time that Miss Moneypenny is a fully-fledged main Bond Girl and not a supporting character.
Maybe not, in which case the office worker in my suggestion should merely say "Ms. Moneypenny?". This would be better I think. Too late for that now anyway. LOL.
I do think the humour in CR is the best in all 3 of Craig's Bond movies but I thought the humour in SF was pretty good overall in fact I can at the moment only think of a few instances where they dropped the ball:
Craig's circle of life quip
Craig's gas explosion in London line
Bardem's Dialogue when he's climbing up the ladder to escape the underground and blows open a hole in the ceiling above
I think that's about it. Have to rewatch it soon.
What I'm driving at is Bond and her spent all that time together in the field and Bond didn't even know her first name yet. I mean, what the hell was he calling for all that time? I don't know why but this aspect just irks me. We should have known her name was Eve throughout the film.
I don't know. He's in the car with her, and he knows Ronson's name, but he doesn't know hers. You'd also think he'd want to know the name of the person who shot him, but it seems not.
It would have been better if he'd only known her as Eve (which would still be a bit odd, but significantly less dumb), and only decided to call her Miss Moneypenny at the end, when she became a secretary.
In any event, I think it would better have been for him to call her Eve, in order to (hopefully) throw us off the scent a little, not to mention that it would make far more sense.
They were just playing with each other.
Mendes obviously wanted to reveal Eve as Moneypenny right at the end; and I do agree with that.
But he did it in the most clunky, implausible way imaginable.
It's not a plot hole because you've decided to read the spoilers. Many members of the public had no idea when they first saw the film who she actually was.
I don't think it was too difficult to guess, even without reading the spoilers (or all the rumors).
Interesting. I don't remember where I read that Samantha Bond's Moneypenny was named Eve but I trust your post more than my mysterious source.
Anyway, if Skyfall were up to me, I would have set up her character with the name Evelyn from the get go. Throughout the film, both Bond and the audience would know her as Evelyn. In the final scene, Bond would say "You know Evelyn, we haven't been properly introduced". She replies, "Oh, well you can call me Eve. Eve Moneypenny".
@Seven_Point_Six_Five has it spot on in terms of how I would've handled it. Bring her name up a few times, then tackle that at the end. Still goes against the 'not knowing what her last name is' bit, but still.
Well, like I said, many people coming out of the first showings I went to were talking about it on the way out, there is certainly no flat out giveaway in the film for it. If you were someone who went online, well that's a different matter altogether.