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  • EndCredit007EndCredit007 EGYPT
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    welcome back Mr. Bond

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    Am I the only that has a big feel of Eyes Wide Shut watching the trailer? Also, I see how much Mendes is influenced by the stage. The way his actors move and are placed on the scene. Pure theatre. I have seen his King Lear, and there is a lot in the trailer reminiscent of it.
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    Stage influence or not? It looks stunning!!! I just got more frustrated about for me a spoiler that I read in the article on MI6 with the trailer in revealing the link between Mr White and Madeline Swann! :-q
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    chipsticks wrote: »
    Is it me or the formal dinner bit with Craig in the white tux and Madeleine in her rather classy dress has a 1940s vibe? There was somewhat a Fleming feel to it. Even Craig's jacket lapels were rather large, almost in a 40s fashion.

    Indefinitely extraordinary.


    hope this answers your question ;)



    Bond girls get a bad wrap for their lack of substance. Usually, they’re pretty stock characters who add relatively little to the story. But “SPECTRE” is changing the nature of that relationship for the better. Bond will finally have equal companions by his side, according to costume designer Jany Temime.

    “Twenty years ago, every Bond girl was dressed up very sexy, and they all wore evening dresses and you could see their boobs,” she told MTV News. “Now, a Bond girl has to be much more sophisticated, she has to be clever, she has to be intelligent, she has to have a job, and so she has to have costumes that are much more adaptable.”

    Temime’s inspiration for Léa Seydoux’s character Madeleine Swann was Grace Kelly. “I wanted something very simple. Expensively simple, yet strong,” she said.

    http://www.mtv.com/news/2118170/spectre-set-secrets/

    Much obliged, madam.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1199&v=Z1cajeKq-oI

    Having just watched this, can anyone in the know shed some light for me on what is the most likely shape of the script? This reviewer seems to imply that there may be trouble ahead but I am trying to look at it positively in that 3 writers had a bash at this and then an auteur too - Makes me think 4 heads - Better than 1 ?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @jorbri66, four heads are most certainly not always better than one. If anything, it leads to four different routes and ideas and endings being thrown around that can mix things up and lead to plot holes.
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    What was in that bullet?!

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  • MartinBondMartinBond Trying not to muck it up again
    edited July 2015 Posts: 860
    I'm almost starting to think it wasn't Bond's bullet that caused the explosion...
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    For those who are interested and know some German - Here's a review by SPIEGEL magazine:
    http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/kino/james-bond-spectre-trailer-zeigt-boesewicht-christoph-waltz-a-1044847.html
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    What was in that bullet?!

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    I actually think it was a terrorist attack that for whatever reason coincided exactly when Bond is shooting his sniper rifle.
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    Noobtube =)
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    What was in that bullet?!
    Wrong question. You should instead ask: what is Bond shooting at?
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    What was in that bullet?!
    Wrong question. You should instead ask: what is Bond shooting at?

    Exactly.
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    Perhaps.....we understandably draw comparisons with juwels like CR and OHMSS.

    The thing is though, Bond as a character has changed also. Yes, Madeleine Swann in the trailer looks and sounds as complex as Vesper Lynd. She literally asks:
    "Is this really what you want? Living in the shadows? Hunting? Being hunted? Always alone?"

    And while you would expect a very serious, dark and gloomy answer from Bond, as we saw in CR, he now actually utters this, with a frivolous tiny smile:
    "I don't stop to think about it."

    There. He says it with style and without too much thinking :-). So in a way, James Bond has also developed....and changed as a person too. In this adventure, despite all the personal history and historical connections, James Bond feels more at ease, more certain of himself. Thus having slightly more whitt and tongue-in-cheek humour.

    I do agree though with @RC7 that the plot, the story, is vital for every Bond film. And only time will tell if this works out fo "SPECTRE". So far, I am really excited about the trailer. It's truly fascinating to actually see a 4th part in a (loose) quadrilogy.....and see the character James Bond change in almost a decade time: From blunt instrument, emotionally hurt person, to the self-assured, joyous, funny spy.

    This kind of "red storyline" that now will run through all four Craig outings, is quite unique in the franchise.

    I was hoping that we'd have the darker, colder spy like that of the Bond in the books for atleast Craig's tenure. I don't want a Bond who is funnier than he is in 2006's Casino Royale. That's too much comedy. I think it's okay how he responds to Madeline Swann but I don't think he should be sitting there joking with M. That's taking things too far. If he utters one line clankers following someone's death or something like that, then this will hinder my enjoyment of the film considerably.
  • RC7RC7
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    Bounine wrote: »
    If he utters one line clankers following someone's death or something like that, then this will hinder my enjoyment of the film considerably.

    I wouldn't want that either. They tempered the humour well in CR. SF went too far imo, I'm hoping they rein it in again with SP.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited July 2015 Posts: 2,138
    RC7 wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    If he utters one line clankers following someone's death or something like that, then this will hinder my enjoyment of the film considerably.

    I wouldn't want that either. They tempered the humour well in CR. SF went too far imo, I'm hoping they rein it in again with SP.

    I think its a hard thing to get right when done well in all Bonds its fantastic, when its done wrong its cringy.

    Two of my favorites old and new

    Diamonds

    James is being served Sherry early into the film, Sherry is a blended dessert wine, high alcohol and sweet. He says to M, "Pity about your liver sir, it's an unusually fine solera. '51 I believe."

    M replies, "There is no year for sherry, 007."

    Not to be topped, James says, "I was referring to the original vintage on which the sherry is based. 1851. Unless I'm mistaken?"



    I enjoyed the boyful playfulness. Bond being a smart a*rse in front of M, and M chopping him down. It represented everything about their relationship.

    Skyfall

    James Bond: I read your obituary of me.

    M: And?

    James Bond: Appalling.

    M: Yeah, I knew you'd hate it. I did call you "an exemplar of British fortitude".

    James Bond: That bit was all right.

  • RC7RC7
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    If he utters one line clankers following someone's death or something like that, then this will hinder my enjoyment of the film considerably.

    I wouldn't want that either. They tempered the humour well in CR. SF went too far imo, I'm hoping they rein it in again with SP.

    I think its a hard thing to get right when done well in all Bonds its fantastic, when its done wrong its cringy.

    Two of my favorites old and new

    Diamonds

    James is being served Sherry early into the film, Sherry is a blended dessert wine, high alcohol and sweet. He says to M, "Pity about your liver sir, it's an unusually fine solera. '51 I believe."

    M replies, "There is no year for sherry, 007."

    Not to be topped, James says, "I was referring to the original vintage on which the sherry is based. 1851. Unless I'm mistaken?"



    I enjoyed the boyful playfulness. Bond being a smart a*rse in front of M, and M chopping him down. It represented everything about their relationship.

    Skyfall

    James Bond: I read your obituary of me.

    M: And?

    James Bond: Appalling.

    M: Yeah, I knew you'd hate it. I did call you "an exemplar of British fortitude".

    James Bond: That bit was all right.

    Both great moments. That level of wit would be perfect for me. Just hoping we don't get too many conspicuous one liners.
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    Yes, those were good. Witty dialogue.
    One liners mostly aren't good. In fact, very often, they are terrible.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    Am I the only who thought the line "I was taking some overdue holiday" was out of place? The trailer is set up seriously and Bond makes a very unprofessional comment, which isn't delivered by Craig all that well. Hope they cut that out of the final cut.
  • RC7RC7
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    Am I the only who thought the line "I was taking some overdue holiday" was out of place? The trailer is set up seriously and Bond makes a very unprofessional comment, which isn't delivered by Craig all that well. Hope they cut that out of the final cut.

    No, you're not the only one. Wooden delivery of a pretty wooden line if that's the context.
  • RC7RC7
    edited July 2015 Posts: 10,512
    Double post.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    Am I the only who thought the line "I wasb taking some overdue holiday" was out of place? The trailer is set up seriously and Bond makes a very unprofessional comment, which isn't delivered by Craig all that well. Hope they cut that out of the final cut.
    Assuming that bit with M wasn't deceptively edited then I agree in not liking that line very much.
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    I disagree about the line. I love it, actually. I love how it's unprofessional
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited July 2015 Posts: 16,351
    Yes Craig had a Moore moment right there. I loved it.
  • RC7RC7
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    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    I disagree about the line. I love it, actually. I love how it's unprofessional

    It might work in context, but in the context of the trailer it feels 'written' and comes across as dialogue written for a 'generic Bond', rather than 'DC Bond'.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Am I the only who thought the line "I was taking some overdue holiday" was out of place? The trailer is set up seriously and Bond makes a very unprofessional comment, which isn't delivered by Craig all that well. Hope they cut that out of the final cut.

    No, you're not the only one. Wooden delivery of a pretty wooden line if that's the context.

    Hmm, I tend to disagree. That example that was mentioned earlier from SF ("That bit was allright") didn't really work for me. I think it got mostly unnoticed, because of the entire atmosphere where Bond uttered that line. It was dark, gloomy. And the entire conversation was part of a rather moody discussion that "M" started. I'm pretty sure that audiences didn't really catch that 'witty line'.

    Way better IMO was that short scene in the London Underground where Bond simply utters "Open. The. Doorrr!", after he 'jumped' on the back of the metro. Hilarious, typical Craig-esque, but made funnier by the given situation.

    The line from the SP-trailer, "I was taking some overdue holiday" IMO was way more effective. It worked because the camera was fully zoomed in on Craig's face. A face with a Connery-esque smile (Remember Sean Connery in "NSNA": "And God knows how many free radicals I have eliminated!"). And it was not really a discussion between "M" and 007. Bond got lectured pretty heavily....Bernard Lee-esque style. And then, when you don't expect it, he says the line. Even the music afterwards, a loud, brassy Bond theme queue, has that wit.

    And here those reviews from so called "movie fanatics" on YouTube are exactly interesting to watch! Because most of them immediately smile after Daniel utters the line "I was just taking some overdue holiday". By the way, please take in mind that "movie fanatics" on YouTube aren't necessarily Bond fans.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited July 2015 Posts: 11,139
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    I disagree about the line. I love it, actually. I love how it's unprofessional

    I like it too. Dont have a problem with it. I think people need to realise that although Malory harkend back to a more old school M, his relationship with Bond is going to be more relaxed than the relationship Lee had with his Bonds. Bond's first interaction with Malory in SF set the relationship dynamic between the two and although Bond in all likelihood will give Malory more professional courtesy than he gave Dench's M, it's not going to be as stringently formal as things were when Lee and Brown were in the role.
  • RC7RC7
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Am I the only who thought the line "I was taking some overdue holiday" was out of place? The trailer is set up seriously and Bond makes a very unprofessional comment, which isn't delivered by Craig all that well. Hope they cut that out of the final cut.

    No, you're not the only one. Wooden delivery of a pretty wooden line if that's the context.

    Hmm, I tend to disagree. That example that was mentioned earlier from SF ("That bit was allright") didn't really work for me. I think it got mostly unnoticed, because of the entire atmosphere where Bond uttered that line. It was dark, gloomy. And the entire conversation was part of a rather moody discussion that "M" started. I'm pretty sure that audiences didn't really catch that 'witty line'.

    Way better IMO was that short scene in the London Underground where Bond simply utters "Open. The. Doorrr!", after he 'jumped' on the back of the metro. Hilarious, typical Craig-esque, but made funnier by the given situation.

    The line from the SP-trailer, "I was taking some overdue holiday" IMO was way more effective. It worked because the camera was fully zoomed in on Craig's face. A face with a Connery-esque smile (Remember Sean Connery in "NSNA": "And God knows how many free radicals I have eliminated!"). And it was not really a discussion between "M" and 007. Bond got lectured pretty heavily....Bernard Lee-esque style. And then, when you don't expect it, he says the line. Even the music afterwards, a loud, brassy Bond theme queue, has that wit.

    And here those reviews from so called "movie fanatics" on YouTube are exactly interesting to watch! Because most of them immediately smile after Daniel utters the line "I was just taking some overdue holiday". By the way, please take in mind that "movie fanatics" on YouTube aren't necessarily Bond fans.

    Agree on 'open the door', great moment. One of the best bits of DC humour.

    Still not sold on the 'overdue holiday', it's a reactionary witticism and DC rarely does those well. SF offering the worst example, 'I got into some deep water'. Moore and Connery were experts, but DC is better when he takes the lead and the quips are either more subtle and cutting, 'Guten Abend' in CR, or more situational, such as 'You must be joking' in SF.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Yeah, Moore in particular could deliver any line and have a knack for making it seem natural, no matter how much of a howler it was he knew exactly how to sell it. The darker Bonds have a very limited capacity for that sort of thing. Dalton is by far the worst IMO because a lot of his dialogue was still being written for Moore. 'I've had a few operational extras installed', 'salt corrosion', 'he got the boot' none ring true for me.
  • RC7RC7
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    Yeah, Moore in particular could deliver any line and have a knack for making it seem natural, no matter how much of a howler it was he knew exactly how to sell it. The darker Bonds have a very limited capacity for that sort of thing. Dalton is by far the worst IMO because a lot of his dialogue was still being written for Moore. 'I've had a few operational extras installed', 'salt corrosion', 'he got the boot' none ring true for me.

    Very true. Dalts definitely would have benefitted from these lines being rewritten, or better still, omitted.
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