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You must be joking. Please, tell me you are joking?! Bond eternally drinking a beer over a martini? Seriously?! At this point Bond 24 might as well include scenes where Bond burns Bibles, slaps around a brothel full of women and kicks the babies populating a nursery room directly in the face. The level of audacity it must require to entertain this level of blasphemy is beyond me. Damn them all for it. Damn EON, damn Mendes and may Craig, Fiennes, Harris, Whishaw and the whole lot of them burn in a seething flame of sin for this! I hereby proclaim that all true Bond fans boycott Bond 24, a film of the cruelest, most malicious intentions.
Yes, I think we should move this one somewhere else than here.
Hey, now, slapping women is in the finest tradition of James Bond. Shir Sean ish dishappointed in you.
As long as anyone who orders a Heineken doesn't actually say "Heineken" then it will be fine. I hated how Michael Douglas said it at the restaurant in Wall Street 2.
Good that the Heineken controversy has been brought up again. Time to have some fun again! ;)
Damn, wouldn't that be something, Bond not drinking Martinis or any other spirits any more! LOL.
You know, back on the subject of the humour and one liners in SF, I felt that the "do hope that wasn't for me" line was the worst. Maybe not so much due to the dialogue but mostly the way Craig delivers the line which I don't think is done very well. Well, it is cheesy too.
In terms of "I always hated this place", yes, it's not really something someone would stop and say in such a tense, dangerous moment. This incident is in the same vein as Bond adjusting his cuff after having just jumped on the train but I suppose most will disagree with me on this for some reason.
As a side note, M and Mallory can be seen drinking Courvoisier VSOP cognac. SF could perhaps be the film featuring the most variety of alcohol consumed.
@QBranch Another reason to like Skyfall!
If anything I wanted to see more of Bond drinking in SF. When Silva says that Bond's psychological evaluation revealed him to be a possible alcoholic I felt that we needed to maybe see him drinking a bit more to justify that claim. Show me don't tell me. However, it's a brave move to have the lead in your $100+ action movie have an acknowledged drink problem so I applaud Mendes for that. Interestingly Iron Man's alter-ego Tony Stark is also an alcoholic and that particular film franchise has consistently ran away from this notion likely because alcoholism isn't a rather commercial notion.
Here are some moments in SF of Bond guzzling some booze:
http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0234.htm
http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0249.htm
http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0263.htm
http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0274.htm
http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0339.htm
http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0595.htm
http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0808.htm
More of this in Bond 24! Interestingly DC's Bond does a lot more drinking than the other 007s. We see Bond after 6 martinis in QOS and though a little worse for wear he isn't in too bad a shape.
True, true. I'm glad they've finally decided to show more of Bond's character which is a flawed one at that. Good that they finally grew some balls. Yes, a bit more drinking would have been good. What I really would have liked to have seen were more of those wonderful scenes at the beginning when Bond is depressed and drinking at the beach. It's a pity they were so damn short. These scenes were my favourite parts of the film. They wonderfully reflected the scenes from the Fleming books when Bond is depressed because he thinks M has forgotten about him.
Does Tony Stark have anxiety problems in the comics too? It was good seeing this side of him in the 3rd instalment.
I see this as more and more people discover what Eon is doing. Personaly i think there take drinking as example because moost people know why people smoke and when DC leave people stop smoking, but stil drinking normal way. So that's why i hope next step be Bond going to smoke again to vergot his problems. Next step be gamble of course and for count the same as drinking.
Of course there must have a reasen for Shaken Not Stirred and Bond falling in the hands of Quantum.
:( I can't wait for 11 months :'(
We waited 4 years for Skyfall. Hang in there, you'll be fine.
Um, no.
Erm, he's talking about the 1984 film AMEDEUS, starring Tom Hulce and F. Murray Abraham.
I agree though, Patrice is bland character, due to him being written as a ghost - nothing more than a plot mechanism. An example of a Bond film chock full of colourful minor characters, see DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. FFS, even the heavy with the sideburns is a more memorable character than Patrice.
The score is much better, and I don't think Skyfall has a fight as good as Bond vs. Franks, not to mention the minor characters and henchmen, as @minorMajor9th covered. Other than that, it's Skyfall all the way.
Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not laughing at you but your post made me laugh. It would probably be taking the outcomes of his alcoholism a bit far but it's an amusing idea all the same. ;) I have a black sense of humour. I see what you're getting at though and I do think they need to expand on Bond's follies but in a less drastic fashion. I really wish that these wonderful scenes in SF when Bond was brooding on the beach had have been longer.
I can see where your coming from but I'm not entirely convinced with the idea. I don't think Bond should kill an innocent person because he's drunk behind the wheel. It would make the film far less a 'Bond adventure' and more an arthouse-indie affair. Bond movies are still meant to be thrilling and exciting and they shouldn't be totally introverted and psychological. Bond is at it's best when these two ideas are bought together and I think CR and SF have really demonstrated this.
I actually think it was a good decision of Mendes to get Bond off the beach as quickly as possible. The movie was about half-an-hour in when he gets back to London and it's not like he gets his mojo back immediately. I for one much preferred seeing the out-of-shape 007 back at mi6 opposed to sitting brooding alone in Turkey somewhere.
There is two scenes I'd love to see from Fleming's books regarding Bond's drinking:
- In OHMSS Bond takes a break during the ski chase to neck some booze. He does it not only to keep warm but also to give himself a little jolt of confidence. This is such a good scene and would really cement to the audience that Bond has a drink problem.
-The other is in YOLT with Bond on the park-bench having essentially given up at Mi6 and he sits in Regents Park looking at his watch grateful that that in only 2 hours he can finally get a drink.
These small moments I think would add some real depth to his character and fit perfectly with DC's Bond.
Those are two interesting ideas, but I fear the first would come off as too jokey, and the second would be a little hard to pull off in a movie, since a lot of it's interior and Bond isn't doing much.
I'd never heard of it before, but I googled it and it said it was a play, that later had a film based on it.
However back on topic do you guys think we will get a strong title rumor Like we did for SkyFall (Red Sky at Night) and Quantum of Solace (Risico)
You mean other than WAVE-LINK?
yes.....