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The man hours that go into devising a single line of text on any output for a million dollar project, let along a $300m film's poster is endless. It's one thing if something doesn't meet a fan's expectations, but at least think for a second about exactly what a poster in this killer of a competitive film market is supposed to do.
I'm a Bond fan and I quite like it. The genre does matter: Bond movies are spy thrillers, not naive space opera.
Naive?
They're not mutually exclusive.
Honestly, you sound like a capitalist joy vacuum. If we were on a media business forum I'd understand, but I have to say that I'm amazed at the lack of comprehension from people like yourself that others residing on a Bond forum might care a little less about the top line and a little more about the quality of content. It goes without saying that the films need to make money, but why that should be at the forefront of fans' minds is lost on me.
Well yes naive. I'm not saying it in a derogatory way. But in any case, the SW poster is not original or meant to be: it's a typical SW poster.
Here's a great and much more creative "non-busy" poster, btw (credits to @Haserot):
Spectre went the other way, it has chosen to set the poster apart from the past for some time and continues that route. Nothing wrong with that either. Minimalistic might need more thought at times then just put action into a frame.
Both try to catch the eye - with different approach. And most likely both succeed.
One goes for colour, one is "bang between the eyes" .
Neither is art.
And it's a nice little poster by @haserot but not great. or original: it looks like a pastiche of The Godfather.
So I thought, this is the heart of the issue isn't it? People complain because the poster is simple and does not splash Lea, Monica, Chris and Bautista (and why not throw Ralph, Naomi, Ben and a fancy car in there as well when we are at it?), and then you pretend it is a deep matter of "thoughtfulness" and "creativity"? :)
For me that SW poster looks bland, unimaginative and cheap, while the Spectre one looks hundred times more elegant, 'creative' and 'thoughtful'.
Wow, I didn't even notice that. I can only assume Q will be Bond's companion for a good portion of the movie, then. Great...
So the movie should remain Bond centric but there can be a crowd in the poster? I'm good with a sober poster. Even a minimalist one.
I'm very concerned about SP's quality and its BO success, not it's poster. You, on the other hand have repeatedly stated in other posts that you don't giver a dame about the BO for this film. Did you ever stop to think of the results of a poor BO result? If this film doesn't make bank, there will not be another Bond for many years as they regroup, and that very likely won't be just 2-3 years. The budgets will be slashed (maybe not a bad thing), EON will lose major leverage in their negotiations with a new distribution studio (a major bad thing) losing all kinds of clout in every key area (another major bad thing), including big dollars for expensive co-stars, and on and on. I don't think you have to be a greedy capitalist to want this film to be great AND a big hit. Most fans on this site also want that result. So, yes, I'm guilty at looking at the purpose of the poster, which is to sell tickets. For me the creative art I'm concerned about is in the film, period.
I never said the movie should be Bond centric, either, but I do miss the times when Bond flirted with MP, received his mission from M, got his gadgets from Q, and was off, with hardly any contact amongst them for the rest of the movie, unless they popped up again on site or something - though I don't know how they'll manage to make that work if Q hates flying so much.
Not really. The SW poster isn't perfect but at least it evokes something exciting and an element of adventure that people are expecting and isn't just a picture of a Jedi or a Sith holding a light sabre. The new SP poster is nice but it's unacceptable to lazily just slap a picture of Bond folding his arms and voila, here enjoy. It's a joke really but whatever, what's done is done. I'm much more concerned about the quality of the actual film.
It will make it's money. I don't see the need for all the worry. When the dust settles I don't give a toss about whether it was a hit or big hit, I care about whether it's a great film and whether I can hand it's poster on my wall. NO Bond film has been a flop and it's not going start with SP.
You hit the nail on the head with that that one, This has been on my mind for years ,
its the case with almost every James Bond forum ,
Most of the posters over here , no matter how lousy a product they're given will praise it endlessly and will go to great lengths and clutch at straws to find merit and praise it
The real irony is that I am highly, sometimes overly critical of the Craig-era in general.
I'm an outspoken critic of EON and Skyfall.
Now that I find something Craig-related (this new movie poster) truly amazing, I'm in a minority again
:P
I don't get why this poster is so criticised. What exactly did you people expect?
I'm not focused on the poster. My concern is how great the film will be, and it's BO results, because there won't be another Bond for a long time if this film doesn't make back its budget. We will not be discussing the poster in 6-8 weeks, but we will, for years and years, be talking about the quality of this film and its BO results.
Ok ;) but I'm certain it took at least 20 minutes to do that poster (photo shoot of Connery...I mean....Craig not counted, that'll have taken another 5 minutes)
8->
Having a personal opinion and looking at something objectively is great , But that's not what I am getting at
there are posters over here who will blindly fall in love with anything 'EON' , in the end we're the losers as EON can get away with half baked products which means lesser quality for us
sorry, I misunderstood. Yes, you are right, of course. To be totally uncritical and fall in love with anything as a principle is naiv and even stupid.
Like the old days of DN and FRWL, when MI6 and SPECTRE were featured extensively and Bond was absent from the screen for fairly long periods of time? I am all for it too. But I digress. Creativity sometimes have little to no importance: the SW poster people are pitting against the SP poster is a lot of things, but certainly not creative. It is as SW as it could be, it does not depart even slightly from what we have seen before. Pure space opera. I remember Bond novels and memorabilia selling themselves as Bond with a silhouette of a man in a tuxedo holding a gun. Nothing more was needed. Because nothing more is needed. You had the shadow of Bond in the teaser poster of QOS, if I am not mistaken, and it worked beautifully. Now we have Bond in a tuxedo, holding a gun, with the grim reaper disguise from the Dios Del Muerte. What's so bloody wrong about it?
The SW poster is pure space opera and exactly like a SW poster would be and should be. I have no problem with it whatsoever, but it is certainly not inventive. Sometimes the best idea is not the original idea. A Bond poster can be, has been in the past and is now, little more than James Bond holding a gun. At the core, Bond movies and Bond novels are spy thrillers.
God forbid someone on the forums likes something EON puts out and wants to come in here and show their appreciation for it, lest you deem it objectively bad, and therefore contribute to the declining quality of the product EON puts out.