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How can you justify that when Skyfall's plot is riddled with holes.
Yet when P&W made a complex plot with no holes and clubbed it with exceptional dialogues like this scene in Casino Royale, we still find the need to bash them
Internet Bond Fans-Something I'll never quite understand.
Says you, who thinks QoS has no plot holes, as I recall you saying? =))
If you think for a minute that P&W wrote that dialogue, think again. That is what Haggis was there for, to fix things up where they left it hanging, no doubt in the dialogue department if their past work is any indication. :))
Oh, Enlighten me then
In the end we will be the only one who suffers.
I don't get why they don't revisit Fleming and maybe tie in Riscio and The Hildebrand Rarity or something.
It took me a while to go through all the threads you have commented in, but in this thread on page 6:
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/5680/dominic-greene-as-a-villain-in-qos-what-went-wrong/p6
You commented in response to @002 who said you were basically crazy for thinking QoS was better than CR, where you stated:
Now, I love QoS too, but I am not blind.
When I say "Enlighten me".
I mean on the plot holes that I am not aware of which you seem to have found.
*Bolivia has no desert. It has a large highland called altiplano and the world's second largest salt desert. Both look totally different than the landscapes shown in the movie.
*During the film, Bond flies to the airport in Bregenz, Austria. There is no airport in Bregenz.
*How does White escape Siena while shot and bleeding, especially since M is directly near the location? And he look fine not long after at Bregenz.
*Bond is yelled at by M for supposedly shooting Haines's bodyguard at TOSCA, yet it was Greene and his men who did that. Why didn't Bond speak up and say something?
*Bond's credit cards and passports are blocked, yet he is able to locate and ride to Mathis's place to meet him. He also tells the lady at the desk to tell whoever phones that he is in Cairo. What sense does that make? Better yet, how do they know Mathis isn't innocent and how did they interrogate him?
*How did MI6 track down Yusef when there really wasn't any information gotten regarding his location? Bond says he got all he needed to hear from Greene, yet he actually didn't hear anything at all about anything from him.
*Just as Bond and Camille are about to die (or Bond was going to shoot her?) a panel magically falls revealing tanks Bond shoots to escape.
*Bond and Camille just so happen to fall into a sink hole that leads them to discover Greene's plot and they somehow escape the hole.
*We are to believe that Beam was somehow working with Greene, yet we never actually see any evidence of this besides a little CIA interaction with him. It was sloppily dealt with and leaves you scratching your head.
*Greene was found shot twice, yet also had the oil in his stomach. So if it was Quantum who somehow found him, then why would they have him drink the oil too if they were just going to shoot him? If they already found him dead, what sense does it make to shot him after he is already dead?
*Who murdered Fields, and how did she have enough time to warn Bond about something happening? When she wrote RUN was she warning him about MI6 or Quantum?
I could go on and on and on...
I am sure the QoS haters would be happy to oblige in continuing as well; they won't get any complaints from me.
Cr had a deal with Brioni for the suits while Qos suits were from Tom Ford .Its the same
as in Skyfall after Silva was captured Bond's hair suddenly grow when he is in
the interogation room
LOL. I cannot belive you actually cited that as a plot hole . =))
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google the picture of it yourself and you'll see how simillar they look. Almost every big budget
movie are shot in places where it isn't really at , If a Bond movie is set in the dangerous
neighbourhoods of Pakistan or Iraq ,will you actually expect them to show it. I lived in one of the
locations in the recent academey nominated "Zero Dark Thirty"for almost 15 years I can pin point every single difference between
the movie and how its in real.
Oh and thats a plot hole now ! :)
Thats what we are supossed to think about , there could have been another agent around the
premises which helped him. Directors like Scorsese and Nolan , often use this device in
which leaves the audiences thinking.
Becuase Bond was conviniently supossed to expect her to put an alert on his passport for this, when
she didn't lay a finger on him for shooting up an embassy in Casino Royale :)
Bond must have driven over there , simillarly we see him stealing a car at the beginning of the
movie.After all, he's a spy, and travelling unnoticed without even in enemy territory should be part
of his training.
They didn't show the conversation regarding Quantum with Greene. They obviously needed to keep
the air of seecrecy around the organisation. I cannot believe you actually passed that as a plot
hole.
the pannel falls by the fire revealing the tanks. so whats the plot hole ?
Yes, they fall into the sink hole which reveals water which leads Bond to assume thats what
Greene's after , They could have fallen into any over there that would reveal the same.
Scratching your head maybe,Not mine. It was crystal clear to me and I don't see whats so hard to get about how an official is curropted
These again are not even remotely close to being 'plot holes', running out of steam are we?
Anything could have happened to Fields its up to the audience to think about. Unless you like being
spoon fed information. She could have been downstairs when she saw suspicous figures entering the
building and she must have written the note. While she went upstairs they would have followed her
and done the deed.
The oil, That is a macabre symbol from the organisation, real world killers like the Zodiac killer and the
lipstick killer had their own symbols.
I have answered each and every one of those points , None of them are plot holes. But you still side with Logan who came up with the ridiculous Silva's plan and Hacking scenes which make techies like me cringe.
About the Quantum haters, a casual saying is- 'haters gonna hate'.
Awkward......
P&W didn't write that. Haggis did. In an interview P&W were asked if the "Im the money" line and Bond's retort was a sly reference to Moneypenny. They said they would love to answer but they didn't write the scene Haggis did.
A - C)I can't believe that ANYONE praising SF even dares to raise these points.
D) not the First to escape after being shot in the Leg as far as I know and M ...
Well, she obviously was so busy speeding away,that she didn't even noticed the dead MI6 man on the stairs.
E) no arguing about - it just makes no Sense but it's not really a plothole,Since it doesn't change the thrust of the Story.
F) blocked cards and passports have nothing whatsoever to do with locating Mathis (of whom he probably just knew where he was or he contacted someone in the know,who owed him) and Since there are no Bordercontrols inside the EU it should have been no Problem (especially for a trained operative) to get to Italy, which is located next to Austria.
"how did they interrogate him?" I don't even understand what you mean here.
G) we are not even present when Bond questions Greene so he could have given insights and Intelligence about Quantum the size of Homers Ilias for all we know.
H and I) This is called luck and is what keeps Heroes alive Since the beginning of storytelling. Also Reread Point A - C
J) we are not LED to believe, we actually See them making a Deal in the Airplane.
K) we are - of course - meant to believe Greene drank the Oil driven by Thirst, far fetched thought as it might be.
L) No doubt,who snuffed her. Greenes Men of course (probably Elvis i guess).
Concerning the "Run ", the question is obviously not of whom she wants to warn Bond, but how and when she manages to get it to the receptionist.
QoS is not without its faults, but compared to SF ( and also to a lesser extent CR) it is a doctoral Dissertation about applied Logic, despite what so many like to think!!!
Here is the definition of a plot hole:
A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.
I pointed out areas that were inconsistent (continuity errors), didn't seem logical, things that were omitted that deserved to be touched on, moments that seemed so illogical or implausible that they left you rolling your eyes and more. A plot hole isn't just a moment that doesn't lead the plot onwards, but so much more.
If you love QoS so much, I also scratch my head wondering why you chose to go the preschool route and choose "Skyfail" for your username instead of "QoS_Lover" or something to that effect. How grown up of you.
It's incredible how double standards work, please at least try being coherent.
My only concern with Gilroy is how much he is connected with Bourne, otherwise I find him a great choice.
Again, i just don't know what you are even Talking about and i am Sure so do you.
No, it is called deniability, and you are exercising it beautifully.
There is a four letter word and you are full of it. :)
I am sure such a Quote qualifies as an Argument in your Part of the Woods,but here in the educated Parts of the World it just doesn't make the Cut. Still i'm Sure your Mother is proud of you.
Oh, how unclever you are. You rant and rave all day about how we are fools for liking Skyfall and constantly hack it to death with your "plot hole" rants. But when we do the same thing with QoS, you flip your lid and offer up poor "logic" for everything and sometimes define the plot hole we named. Hm, how hypocritical of you. And to make your argument even more of a joke, you think insulting someone's intelligence or making rude remarks involving their mother somehow makes you correct. If my part of the world isn't educated then yours must have permanent teacher's strikes. It seems the only available explanation as to why you haven't learned proper manners.
All this vitriol day in and day out and all it gets you is a flagged post.
To be fair it's the same when people defend SF.
Almost every scene I liked in Casino Royale was penned by Paul Haggis (i.e. the shower scene, the flirtatious dialogue, the emotional tidbits, etc). Likewise, in Skyfall, the parts I liked best were later identified to be the collaborative work of Sam Mendes and John Logan.
I have watched many interviews in which Purvis and Wade are praised for writing a particularly great scene. They usually respond: "Well... We didn't write that." At least one can admire their honesty.
This is exactly what I am talking about. I can't even fully judge P&W's recent Bond work because it is so hard to tell if they did anything at all. It is safe to say Haggis and John Logan saved the films they have worked on, and gave depth and great dialogue to the series where it was nearly absent before when P&W were scripting. I mean, looking at the writing of some of the Brosnan era, do you really think P&W wrote Tennyson into Skyfall? Hell no, that was Logan and Mendes, obviously. Does anyone know how much P&W even contributed to Skyfall? I hear a lot of rumblings that it was mostly a Logan show (I assume he added in all the depth with Mendes on hand).