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Are you kidding? P+W wrote SF. It's as simple as that. Logan added some flourishes but P+W wrote the movie. Where did you hear rumblings it was Logan's?
I have heard from various places (some on here have seemed to think so as well) that Logan was involved a lot in the script. How do you know for certain that he wasn't is the better question.
Is that the better question? I didn't suggest he wasn't involved in the script did I and I wasn't vague in my assessment. P+W wrote SF. Logan added dialogue and symbolic elements that tied in closely with Mendes' vision, such as the scene with Q in the National Gallery. P+W created the story, characters, plot, title etc. Logan did none of this.
When listening to that interview and reading other articles, one discerns that Sam Mendes was the creative genius behind the whole endeavor. Purvis and Wade revealed the screenwriting process was quite different to Casino Royale where Paul Haggis merely polished the script. For Skyfall, they wrote the script in collaboration with Sam Mendes for well over a year and all together established the plot structure. For their own contributions, the pair openly admitted they cannibalized Ian Fleming's You Only Live Twice (i.e. Bond's death/resurrection, old age issues, the villain living on a remote island in Asia, etc.) and The Man With the Golden Gun. The film title, "Skyfall," was accidental and loosely inspired by John Buchan's Greenmantle novel as well as Manderlay from Hitchcock's Rebecca. Interestingly, the shaving scene with a straight razor was originally written for Bond's hotel-room scene in Die Another Day, and other parts were likewise recycled from unused drafts of earlier films.
From other online sources, we know that -- when the MGM bankruptcy was resolved -- Mendes brought in John Logan to replace them, and Logan rewrote much of the film's dialogue (which is obvious since the conversations sound quite different from previous Bond films). It's interesting that the third act -- which is often criticized for its inconsistency flaws -- was primarily Purvis and Wade. It was one of their last major changes to the script and replaced an earlier generic action ending set in a city.
Thank you for explaining this, @Strelik. Finally someone who knows what he is talking about.
True, there are too many here, who want to make everybody BELIEVE they do, whilst they don't.
Here is another hint of when pre production might start.
Daniel will begin preparing for pre-production of the next Bond film once his run in Betrayal ends.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2300789/007s-love-triangle-Rafe-Spall-play-man-opposite-real-life-married-couple-Rachel-Weisz-Daniel-Craig.html#ixzz2OvIG5lDN
I was going to reference the empire podcast, it's quite insightful. The other good reference is the Director's commentary. Like I said, P+W primarily created SF. I think the only people denying this are those who love SF but hate P+W. The plot has their prints all over it. There's no denying Logan's contribution (It certainly added a veneer of quality) and I think Mendes ran with his own vision. Underneath this the P+W vibe is still ever present. For conclusive proof look at the screen writing credits.
To the ever wonderful Brady and Frau Craig, grow up. I spoke to Wade at the Gore hotel prior to the premiere, so while I wasn't on set I certainly have first hand evidence of his personal contribution.
Whatever is right or wrong in this - being at the premiere is hardly evidence of how much he contributed. They worked on the script (and I don't hate them at all), but what exactly they are responsible for and what not will remain in the shadow in its entirety.
So the play opens in October this year and ends in January 2014 and then it's Bond-related stuff from then on for an Autumn 2014 release.
Honestly. Discussing stuff on here sometimes is tantamount to self harm. I can't believe there are people trying to sweep under the carpet the fact P+W wrote the bulk of SF. I'm sure you'd argue the sky was green if I said it was blue.
Mod edit: F-bomb aimed at members removed. Watch it please, @RC7! You're better than that.
And here we go again. At least, you shouldn't ALL THE TIME forget your manners, IF indeed you have any. Try to remember them. Its a matter of respect, even if you don't really feel it, but nevertheless show it on an open forum. Its really primitive, how you react...and undermines your credibility. And yes, I KNOW, hat my fangirling undermines mine. No need to mention it. :D
@ego - I am sure, he is going full force on pre production during daytime, when he is not on stage, so they are ready to jump once he is finished.
I don't need validation thanks. I'm pretty happy and confident in my opinion and well up on my facts re. anything Bond. Whether you think I'm credible or not is your problem, I couldn't care less. I don't suffer fools gladly and there seem to be a few on here.
I certainly haven't seen every Movie he wrote,but those i did gave quite a coherent picture. Gladiator,as i mentioned, was mainly a Visual feast, Time Machine is quite inferior to the original Adaption, Samurai was simply cliche loaden, Aviator - again! - strictly Visual impressing and Star Trek ....
Well Star Trek was the lowpoint of a Series, that already had many more let downs than Lift ups (so to speak). I don't remember too much of it (a fact,that Speaks for itself,if you knew me),but what i recall is almost Feeling pain watching the Last half of it (blending increasivly with pure Anger). There is a reason why this was the Last Star Trek Movie for quite some Time!
Cliche loaden, unimpressing, pain and Anger inducing. All traits,that remember me VERY much of SF. Maybe it Logans Trademark ,who knows ( i would like maintain however,that i really enjoy the Dialog in theGallery scene and i also would be very much in favor of the First Exchange Eve and Bond have at MI6, if it wasn't running on false premises, which made Craigs comments extremly patronizing.)
I don't think it is modesty or honesty, that lets P&W emphasize these points,Since it is Shanghai/Macao where the Story falls completly apart. Also the Eve becoming Moneypenny Part is one of the Most ridiculous ones in SF ( a fact which Speaks for itself loud and clear)together of course with the DB5, so i see it all as a Kind of speaking oneself Free of guilt.
Again with your sailor language, how unclever still. They say the man who fills his retorts with curse words has nothing left to say, and in this case I would wager that statement to be true. You may want it to be factual that P&W were the guiding force on what we see translated to the screen in Skyfall only so that all your little rants can be validated about the script, but don't be too eager to believe everything you hear.
All this ranting and raving again, and all it gets you is yet another flagged post; it really isn't a worthwhile enterprise you are running here. You call me uneducated (that's rich) yet you can't understand this situation from our perspective, the Skyfall fans. I win (along with the other Skyfall supporters) either way you spin this web. On one side, you go on rants about Skyfall day and night, and we all laugh at how well we can wind you up and make you childishly swear or give weak insults. Therefore we are immensely entertained, like you are an open circus for us all to get free admittance to at all hours of the day. Then on the other side of that, you talk great about QoS to try and show us how Skyfall is somehow inferior in comparison, and we still win because we love seeing the former get some love (as we love it too) after it has spent so much time being hated. I suggest you seriously rethink your strategy if this isn't your true intention, old chap. I am sure you have plenty of happening things to be doing rather than entertaining us day and night.
This is very good to hear. I hope we get a director announcement soon because as Mendes said, a director should be working on the Bond vehicle now or at least within the next couple of months.
I don't see how. It's not like he's some twelve year old just hurling out a paragraph of badly spelt insults on Youtube.
It's just one swear word, I don't see the big deal. Daniel Craig swears a fair bit and everybody always defends him for that.
This is a family site, not a magazine interview so the f bombs are a little too much (even I lose it with trolls at times, though not at that level of profanity). I also don't like having my intelligent belittled. Plus, Dan is cool, talented and an all around great Bond. I tell you what: The day that I say to myself, "You know what, I want to be just as cool and talented as @RC7 one day" is the moment I will loosen up on him. Until then, sorry; I won't be lightening up one bit. :)
Sounds promising honestly we should be getting Bond 24 in 2014
He could be more talented than Craig for all we know. You can't really judge a person based on some comments on a James Bond fansite.
Anyways, on topic, it does seem like we're getting Bond 24 in 2014, something I'm very happy about. Getting some solid news about the director soon would be the icing on the cake.
Always good to be reminded there are some level headed members still knocking about mate.
It's possible to have a rational conversation with someone like yourself, an educated career man with a pretty liberal outlook on life. It's much harder engaging with pseudo-intellectual high school kids with pretensions of grandeur. The kids forget those of us with a little real world experience see straight through their gossamer thin veil of misplaced self importance.
It would also be nice if people got their facts straight. I think you and I have faced similar issues in being labelled SF detractors. Both you and I know this isn't true, but then what can you do when there's a maelstrom of sycophantic whining every time you raise an issue. The good ship Skyfall swoops into town with it's bottom feeders ready to discredit the most valid of opinions.
Oh well, at least we can take solace in the knowledge that we aren't teenage smart arses, yet to face the big bad world outside the Internet, where that inevitable smack in the mouth looms large on the horizon.
I'm really curious to see how the Director/Writer relationship will work. I'm assuming B&M will want the Director to sign off on Logan's work (obviously with room to manoeuvre) before sealing the deal. But if the Director they really want isn't convinced by Logan's work, will they take the chance and allow a period of rewriting? Hopefully they'll share a mutual vision.