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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I just watched about half of ALI. It was so dumb, I had to turn it off.

    Ouch. That stung like a bee.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Two things i liked: Sam Cooke is in it and a funny line from Cassius Clay/Ali about Sonny Liston. (His face being so ugly, his sweat is running upwards from his forehead).
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    ALI is a pretty good biopic in my book. I'm typically not interested in biopics but Mann delivers the goods with ALI. I love the acting and especially the way the film is shot.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I think Michael Mann should stick to tv. Miami Vice was a great show, but his movies have been disappointing for me.
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    I think Michael Mann should stick to tv. Miami Vice was a great show, but his movies have been disappointing for me.

    Even Heat??
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes, I found it quite dull and uninteresting.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think Michael Mann should stick to tv. Miami Vice was a great show, but his movies have been disappointing for me.

    Don't let Creasy hear you talking like that.
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    Yes, I found it quite dull and uninteresting.

    That says little about Mann more about you. You can call Mann a lot but uninteresting is not something I would call him.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    What does it say about me?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    No no, your opinion is what it is and I will respect that, @Thunderfinger. I guess Michael Mann's style isn't for every one, like Tosca. ;-) That said, films like THIEF, MANHUNTER, HEAT, THE INSIDER, ... are, at least in my opinion, near perfect achievements. It's what Mann does with story, photography, music, acting, ... that makes him rank up there with Kubrick and Fincher and Nolan and Spielberg for me. Your dismissal of ALI isn't an offence to me personally, just something I strongly disagree with. But hey, that's okay. I think the world of Mann, you don't. And that's perfectly fine. :)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
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    This was my first viewing of this Stanley Kubrick film (his last) since its release in the theatres. I really enjoyed it at the time, and did so again today. Tom Cruise stars as Dr. Bill Harford & Nicole Kidman (his real wife at the time) stars as his movie wife Alice. They are a well to do upper middle class New York couple and on the surface seem happy. One evening they attend a house party thrown by one of Bill’s immensely wealthy clients. While alone both are individually & independently propositioned by attractive guests (a smooth talking suave Hungarian in the case of Alice and two very sexy models in the case of Bill), but their marriage vows stop them from taking it further.

    The experience awakens carnal desires in Alice, and leads her to open up to Bill the next evening about a recurring sexual fantasy she has had about a naval officer she once saw in passing momentarily when the couple were on holiday. The lustful nature of this revelation by Alice (while under the influence of marijuana) shakes Bill’s previously sheltered sensibilities, and leads him on a night of kinky exploration through the underbelly of Manhattan. During his eventful passage through the streets of New York he is approached by several women (including the daughter of a recently deceased patient, a prostitute with a heart of gold & an underage sexually liberated daughter of a costume retailer) and also witnesses a haunting ritualistic masked sexual orgy in a secluded mansion. Most unnervingly, he is confronted with a ‘secret society’ (an early manifestation of the now ubiquitous 1%?) who operate in the shadows and pull the strings of power. The experience proves eye opening & overwhelming for the innocent Dr. Bill (who arguably was previously walking through life with his ‘eyes wide shut’).

    All of the above is just window dressing ultimately. The film at its core is about intimacy, monogamy and the fear of losing a loved one. Despite all that he witnesses during his memorable night out, Dr. Bill is most haunted by the recurring image of his wife cavorting in her sexual fantasy with the naval officer she doesn’t even know.

    This is quite a memorable film. It’s moody, surreal, atmospheric, and full of erotic symbolism & strange visuals. Tom Cruise’s squeaky clean, almost asexual image makes him quite credible as the naïve Bill Harford, whose world comes crashing down due to his wife’s disclosures. Nicole Kidman owns her scenes - her confession is a highlight of the film, and arguably more disturbing than the much ballyhooed orgy scene. That scene is indeed a classic one however, both in the way it’s filmed, lit and scored. As has been mentioned on this site, it most definitely has inspired scenes in later films, including Depp’s The Ninth Gate & Mendes’s Spectre but none come close to the original. The late Sydney Pollack is superb as Victor Ziegler, Dr. Bill’s wealthy patient who offers him some sage words of advice. Rade Serbedzija, Leelee Sobieski (whatever happened to her?), Vinessa Shaw, Thomas Gibson and Todd Field also have memorable small parts. It offers an interesting allegory on the super rich, sexual desire & power, and intimacy.
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    Very fascinating, unique film. Great sendoff for a great director.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2. Boy & girls, these kinds of films don't get any better than this. At least as good as the first. The cameos are awesome.
    HIGHLY recommended.
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    Blade Runner (1982) - fourth watch. I love this movie so much; it just kees getting better. Really hoping the sequel doesn't disappoint.
  • FoxRox wrote: »
    Blade Runner (1982) - fourth watch. I love this movie so much; it just kees getting better. Really hoping the sequel doesn't disappoint.

    You and me both. No other film has rewarded me so much view after view after view. Very, very cautiously optimistic for October.
    bondjames wrote: »
    Eyes Wide Shut (1999)

    This is on my to-watch-very-soon list. I'm not the biggest fan of Kubrick. His films rarely connect with me on a personal level the way those of some other directors do, but there is no denying his films leave an impression and for the most part are very worth watching at least once. Very curious about this final work he left behind.
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    Man such good films. EYS is underrated and very good, and BR is just an all-time favorite.
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    Leelee Sobieski (whatever happened to her?)

    According to Wikipedia, she stopped her career in 2012 to care for her kids.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leelee_Sobieski

    Too bad, but that's life, I guess.
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    Parental Guidance.

    I like Marisa Tomei and Billy Crystal. Not in this movie - I kind of want the time I spent watching it back.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    No no, your opinion is what it is and I will respect that, @Thunderfinger. I guess Michael Mann's style isn't for every one, like Tosca. ;-) That said, films like THIEF, MANHUNTER, HEAT, THE INSIDER, ... are, at least in my opinion, near perfect achievements. It's what Mann does with story, photography, music, acting, ... that makes him rank up there with Kubrick and Fincher and Nolan and Spielberg for me. Your dismissal of ALI isn't an offence to me personally, just something I strongly disagree with. But hey, that's okay. I think the world of Mann, you don't. And that's perfectly fine. :)

    I haven t seen them all, but for what it s worth, Manhunter isn t bad.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Eyes Wide Shut (1999)

    I'm not a Kubrick fan at all. His only film I enjoy is Full Metal Jacket and I've only seen it once. As a kid I liked watching Eyes Wide Shut but that was only because of the soft core porn that's in the movie. As an adult I don't really like it. I just didn't really get it, but then again I don't really get a lot of Kubrick's work.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Eyes Wide Shut (1999)

    I'm not a Kubrick fan at all. His only film I enjoy is Full Metal Jacket and I've only seen it once. As a kid I liked watching Eyes Wide Shut but that was only because of the soft core porn that's in the movie. As an adult I don't really like it. I just didn't really get it, but then again I don't really get a lot of Kubrick's work.
    I'm not a Kubrick connoisseur by any means either. I found this film quite strange and memorable though. I never thought that the sex and nudity was all that titillating to be honest. It was more the psychological impact of Alice's confession, which she had kept closeted for all those years, and the shattering of Bill's assumptions about his wife and life which I found most intriguing. That and the general dreamy moodiness of it all. His 'eyes are opened' on account of her sexual fantasy, and he sees the city around him in a new light.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    EYES WIDE SHUT is IMO a vastly underrated film. It probably doesn't sit well with a more prudish segment of the audience. ;-) And the fact that critics will always hate on Tom Cruise (except in M:I) didn't help the film much either. It's not Kubrick's best by a long shot, but it's a decent thriller nevertheless IMO. When I was younger, I had the same problem with it I also had with Fincher's THE GAME:
    I'm promised something dangerous and sinister and then it turns out it's nothing of the kind.

    But grown-up me understands that's not at all the point of the film. :D
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    One amusing thing about EWS is that Cruise's character encounters a cult less culty than the actor's real life one. :))
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    One amusing thing about EWS is that Cruise's character encounters a cult less culty than the actor's real life one. :))

    Haha nice one

    Seriously though that stuff is creepy in the film. I often wonder if there are similar cults out there.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    One amusing thing about EWS is that Cruise's character encounters a cult less culty than the actor's real life one. :))

    Haha nice one

    Seriously though that stuff is creepy in the film. I often wonder if there are similar cults out there.

    Why do you think Kubrick was killed?
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    I did hear his death was a little mysterious...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    One amusing thing about EWS is that Cruise's character encounters a cult less culty than the actor's real life one. :))

    Haha nice one

    Seriously though that stuff is creepy in the film. I often wonder if there are similar cults out there.

    Kubrick was the master at creepiness, but not in the way you'd expect. He was a true artist of the medium, and when other directors shocked or stirred you with gore, he'd just present very sterile but uncomfortable imagery to set you off, or play very low audio humming underneath his visuals to create a foreboding sense of doom. The Shining has this in spades, as does the likes of Full Metal Jacket. He had a knack for portraying the human experience of going mad, either by your own demons, by war or another third party.
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    Watched NSNA again the other day and I still really enjoy it. It's dragged down by having to adhere to TB (wish they'd at least changed the characters names to give it a sense of it being its own film) but other than that I find it to be a lot of fun. I think the best thing about it that I've always loved is how it sends up Bond, it's almost a parody at times. But it's still got some cool action and Connery is still very credible as Bond, older and more self aware but you still buy him completely as a secret agent and you can tell that he was really putting the effort in unlike DAF; the training he did really paid off and he seems to be having fun. I wish they'd done a bit more with the old Bond concept but it's still cool to see a film that acknowledges Bond's age. Largo is brilliant too, a massive improvement on the original and a good villain for the older, mellower Connery. And Fatima Blush is more than a match for Fiona Volpe. Shame about Domino.

    The score is atrocious and it's probably too long but there's a lot to enjoy here imo, mostly thanks to the performances and the brilliant, witty script, which I think really could have been something special if they didn't have to stick to the TB plot. I'd honestly rather watch this than quite a few EON films including TB. A fun self aware take on Bond and a much better sendoff for Connery than DAF.
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    For me it felt too cheap and nasty a lot of the time.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I quite like NSNA. I much prefer it to TWINE, for instance. It's grown on me. The trick I find is not to compare it to iconic TB, where I personally believe it comes up woefully short. I agree that they perhaps should have changed out some of the names so as not to evoke memories of the earlier film.
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