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Look at the original series and most of the better episodes were those that were not penned by Roddenbery.
It was with Star Trek II when Gene was used only as a consultant when the movies actually took a big turn for the better.
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I'd give it 4 of 5 because it was totally successful at telling the small morality tale it attempted to. The only reason I wouldn't rate it as highly as First Contact is the general lack of scope, making it feel more like an insanely expensive TV movie than an epic theatre experience.
I think that's pretty right-on. The story was okay, but not great. It was like a middle-of-the-road episode of TNG. A film like Star Trek VI was far more compelling. Considering how great DS9 was at the time in terms of writing and story-telling, Insurrection should have been better.
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As far as the shows go, I feel that Voyager was also outstanding, maybe on-par with TNG (not quite as good as DS9 though).
I liked Voyager at first but got tired when they turned it into the "Seven of Nine Hour". And I left it for Babylon 5 -a great show. I did watch the series finale, felt I owed it that much since I had been with the show when it first aired.
DS9 I just never warmed up to the characters. I saw several episodes over the years and knew everyone but I just never got much into that series. I read good things about the show but it just never connected with me.
Enterprise I liked a lot. I liked Archer and his whole crew.
With DS9 you have to really watch it from the start and watch it season-by-season, as it's hard to follow otherwise. The first couple seasons have more stand-alone episodes and then it becomes much more of a serial. If you liked Babylon 5 then you would probably also like DS9--very similar in some ways. In fact it's been said that DS9 ripped-off B5, especially early on.
Fascinating. What do you think about my comparisons? (It's imcomplete because I haven't seen them all)
STII=FRWL
STIII=TB
STIV=TMWTGG
STFirst Contact=GE
ST=CR/SF
ST Into Darkness=QOS
Star Trek The Motion Picture - The Man with the Golden Gun
The Wrath of Khan - Dr No
The Search for Spock - The Spy Who Loved Me (or Octopussy)
The Voyage Home - Goldfinger
The Final Frontier - You Only Live Twice
The Undiscovered Country - The World Is Not Enough
Generations - Tomorrow Never Dies
First Contact - Thunderball
(haven't seen Nemesis and Insurrection enough to follow on. Never wanted to view Into Darkness at all for what it's worth)
That's either a huge insult to YOLT, or major praise for TFF.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
After a decade Star Trek was coming back on the Big screen. I known about Star Trek since I was a child. Though it was mostly TNG and Voyager that was on TV and those were boring to me. It wasn't until 2007 that I discovered the original 60's TV Series which I fell in love with because of it's Iconic theme song. After watching several episodes, I was hooked. I wanted to see this whole Series. Not long after I got it on DVD. So I was excited to see the films that followed the adventures of the TOS crew. So I will begin with Star Trek 1.
My original first impressions of Star Trek the motion picture were rather negative. It's a very weird movie. It doesn't really feel like a Star Trek adventure. (TV or Movie.) Obviously it was inspired by 2001 but after several revisits my opinions on it are neutral.
The story is quite good but most of my problems with the film are mostly visual choices.
The musical score is perfect. Jerry Goldsmith ideal for the job.
The special effects are also stunning.
The refitted Enterprise is very stunning.
Onto the negatives...
The uniforms are awful. They are too sterile and no life to them. I liked Kirk's admiral uniform that was pretty much the only good one. I wish they had kept the original TOS uniforms and maybe updated them a bit. Not these bland earth tone uniforms.
The film is badly paced. It is a drag to sit through almost 20 minutes of the actors looking surprised at V'ger. All that time could have been spent putting some closure on TOS. Like what happened when the 5 year mission ended and could have done some character development.
Kirk is very grumpy throughout most of the film and doesn't feel like Kirk.
There is also one or two lines that are unnecessary. Such as Ilia's "ode to Celibacy" Why was that even brought up? There is one more line towards then end where V'ger's backstory is explained and Decker says "V'ger was lost in what they used to call a black hole." Were we calling it something else?
The film is not perfect. But it's not bad. It's a good movie that has it's flaws.
7/10
When it comes to the films, I'd say The Voyage Home, The Undiscovered Country, First Contact and the two Abrams ones. I never really connected with Wrath of Khan tbh.
Anyway, any other DS9 fans who wish to confer, by all means, I like a good conversation about it, particularly as I'm pretty much the only DS9 fan in South London.
Well, so has Grease, but it is still a classic.
I never said TOS wasn't - it's just a bit creaky and wooden at times, and while there are wonderful episodes like 'The City on the Edge of Forever', there are also episodes like 'Spock's Brain'...
No i think its just a laughter line when you smile.
But Abram's universe takes place in an alternate reality. Major events have occurred changing that universe. Kirk's father died, not being able to shape and meld him into the disciplined, respective officer he is in the Prime universe. Hope that helps.
Technically, he does later cheat death, when they get Khan's blood and bring him back to life.
Say, don't all the frozen photon torpedo people have the same blood as Khan? Why did they have to retrieve Khan to get his blood? And why was there a trench coat just laying around for Khan to take?
Same here. Just as bad as Man of Steel with me.